No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Saying one wants Nolan to direct a Bond film is one thing, but the Bond franchise needing Nolan? As in, of the many known and unknown film directors working today, he is the only one, the only one, who can make a good Bond 25?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I'd rather eat glue then watch that trainwreck.

    Eating glue isn't so bad.

    It would also be more meaningful and worthwhile.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Dennison wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."

    Bond doesn't need to be reinvented, he needs to be Bond.

    He said 'it' has to need reinvention.

    So "it" could be the franchise, or the film itself, it doesn't really matter as they're one and the same as Bond. Bond needs to remain Bond, and Nolan needs to stay the Hell away from Bond (and his pet composer Hans Zimmer for that matter).

    CR was a reinvention of sorts - so you're saying that Bond isn't Bond in both DAD and CR?

    I'm not even close to saying that. My basic point is that, after having Bond changed so much in the Craig era, we need to go back to the roots of classic film Bond, not reinvent Bond further. There is a point where you change a character so much that you really don't have anything left except the name. I don't want to see that happen to Bond, and I fear that is what Nolan would do. As others have said, he seems to take too much liberty adding his own ideas and touches to his films (as evidenced by his "reinvention" quote), which is fine for his own films, but not Bond. Bond is the star of the Bond franchise, not whatever director EON happens to hire for the moment.

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    There's a Nolan interview in the latest Playboy where he talks about talking to BB/MGW and he said he'd love to do it but "you'd need to be needed....it has to need reinvention, it has to need you."

    Bond doesn't need to be reinvented, he needs to be Bond.

    Exactly. I don't know about anyone else here, but I am extremely sick of the idea that Bond needs to be reinvented. Saying 007 needs to be reinvented is like saying Bond as a character is worthless as he is and would be of no interest to modern audiences. Whereas when Bond is simply Bond- the audience embraces him anyway.

    I agree 100%.
    Bond needs to remain Bond, and Nolan needs to stay the Hell away from Bond (and his pet composer Hans Zimmer for that matter).

    Do you think he keeps him in a cage?

    One hopes. That would explain his dreary music too.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Just curious, what's wrong with Hans Zimmer?
    His music is generic, unmemorable and boring. Much like Thomas Newman. We don't need anymore of that garbage tainting the franchise.

    Just like the Pirates of the Caribbean theme.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Just curious, what's wrong with Hans Zimmer?
    His music is generic, unmemorable and boring. Much like Thomas Newman. We don't need anymore of that garbage tainting the franchise.

    Just like the Pirates of the Caribbean theme.

    I never watched those movies.
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    God, why are people so defensive over the idea? You'd think we were on about McG or someone. We basically got Dark Knight Bond with SF. Why the backlash to the real thing.
    Murdock wrote: »
    Jeffrey wrote: »
    Just curious, what's wrong with Hans Zimmer?
    His music is generic, unmemorable and boring. Much like Thomas Newman. We don't need anymore of that garbage tainting the franchise.

    Just like the Pirates of the Caribbean theme.

    Or the Batman theme, Sherlock Holmes theme, Inception theme, etc. Zimmer is great. I feel that with him and Nolan the backlash against them is just because of them being monumentally popular/influentiak and because of the countless, less talented imitators that their work has inspired.

    Nolan for me is the Spielberg of his generation, there's a reason that everything he's done since The Dark Knight has been iconic. He makes great event movies full of awe inspiring spectacle (with really good practical effects), fantastically shot acted and for the most part really well written too. He's shown he can do crime thrillers, big epics, sci fi, as well as more intimate and personal stuff. I know people slag off Interstellar a lot but that was one of the most emotional cinema experiences I've ever had and usually that sort of stuff just washes over me. In terms of blockbusters right nobody else really comes close. The only other big hollywood films I can think of that are anywhere near that level are the new Planet of The Apes films and the last two Rocky movies. There's Bond of course but I think that's more my personal preference than them being something really cinematically special (e.g. I love SP and I'd rather watch that again than say Inception any day of the week but its by no means a better film imo). They turned down Spielberg in his prime so I'd hope that if he wanted the gig EON would have the sense not to do the same with Nolan.

    The franchise could really do a lot worse. Would we really rather have the guy who did a few episodes Sherlock that was rumoured a few months ago than Nolan? Yeah he'd probably want more creative control but they basically gave Mendes free reign and while I loved the films we got from people like Glenn, I think it'd be cool to see more takes on Bond from big, visionary directors (would have loved to see Tarantino's take on it). What's the worst that can happen? With Nolan you've basically got a sure fire hit anyway and it's not like anything can kill the series at this point. And if it's a bad fit, oh well, keep it as a one off and hire someone more workman like next time.

    But I think he'd be a great fit anyway. He's great with glamour, atmosphere and spectacle. You can really see the money on screen. He seems to be a Bond fan and he's wore this influence on its sleeve, from Morgan Freeman basically playing Q in Batman through to The Joker borrowing Rosa Klebb's shoe and the traces of OHMSS in Inception. Dunkirk isn't out yet but based off the trailers I'd say he'd be able to capture the unashamed patriotism of Bond pretty well too. A Bond film from him certainly wouldn't be something formulaic as TND but I doubt he'd be pretentious/ashamed of making a Bond film like Forster seemed to be.

    Sadly I can't see it happening but I'd be over the moon if it did.
    bondjames wrote: »
    I say get Nolan and Bale back together again but let them tackle Bond this time.

    Yes please. With Tom Hardy as a Red Grant esque villain (to avoid it coming across as a retread they could do the animalistic werewolf esque stuff from the book, Hardy is definitely an intense enough actor to sell that well and stop it being cheesy).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    How about Fassbender vs Hardy?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Campbell, Craig and Arnold. That's what I want.
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    Hans Zimmer has done too many incredible scores in his time to be dismissed outright. And he's constantly reinventing himself, from The Lion King to The Rock to Gladiator to The Last Samurai to Pirates of the Caribbean to Batman Begins to Man of Steel to Interstellar. I can think of at least a handful of composers I would prefer to Zimmer for Bond, but he certainly wouldn't be the worst choice and would be leagues ahead of Newman.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    After the Newman Fiasco, I don't want Zimmer or anyone that rips him off near Bond. I want good music in the series again.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Campbell, Craig and Arnold. That's what I want.

    A Big YES to this! Bookend his run as Bond!

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Campbell, Craig and Arnold. That's what I want.

    A Big YES to this! Bookend his run as Bond!

    We reach! :-bd
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    Hans Zimmer has done too many incredible scores in his time to be dismissed outright. And he's constantly reinventing himself, from The Lion King to The Rock to Gladiator to The Last Samurai to Pirates of the Caribbean to Batman Begins to Man of Steel to Interstellar. I can think of at least a handful of composers I would prefer to Zimmer for Bond, but he certainly wouldn't be the worst choice and would be leagues ahead of Newman.
    Hans Zimmer has done a number of incredible tracks, but for sure not incredible scores. I think he himself compared modern Hollywood composers such as himself to prostitutes. His scores at least since after Selma and Louise are all without exception totally calculated, in that he finds one or two smashing ideas and adds a mountain of meaningless junk for the rest of the time. I respect his smashing ideas a lot, but a few good ideas by no means constitute a good score.

  • We differ in our views on Zimmer. Again, he's not my favorite composer, but there are entire scores of his that I think are tremendously well done. I also doubt he's ever called himself a prostitute, haha, but that's a funny idea. At the end of the day, there are enough great composers out there who would be more appropriate for Bond than Zimmer. That said, he'd be better than our composer incumbent—or is Newman more like an interim composer while we await the return of David Arnold?
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    I wouldn´t insist on Arnold. Unfortunately the current fashion seems to be to have nondescript scores that if at all underline the action. I personally prefer the fashion that was mostly represented by composers like John Barry, John Williams, or Jerry Goldsmith, who didn´t just underscore what already was onscreen, but who truly added content to the film. Ten years ago I was more open to all kinds of approaches, but over time I find certain things much more gratifying.
  • Oh absolutely, I agree with your preference for composers whose scores add entirely new dimensions to their films. I wouldn't put Arnold in the same class as Barry, Williams, or Goldsmith—all of whom I love—but he follows in their tradition with giant, sweeping themes that add color, character, and power to his films (Stargate, Independence Day, Tomorrow Never Dies, Casino Royale, Sherlock).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Oh absolutely, I agree with your preference for composers whose scores add entirely new dimensions to their films. I wouldn't put Arnold in the same class as Barry, Williams, or Goldsmith—all of whom I love—but he follows in their tradition with giant, sweeping themes that add color, character, and power to his films (Stargate, Independence Day, Tomorrow Never Dies, Casino Royale, Sherlock).
    I'm glad you clarified. The scores by those legends were distinctive, had character and could seduce the listener with wonderful harmonious melodies. They created memorable motifs which resonated and which evoked and accentuated the moods & feelings we received from the visuals. They were masters at varying tone and tempo. Finally, their music was never overbearing. Never raucous or discordant. I rarely get any of that from Arnold.

    To me, it's like comparing a juicy succulent perfectly grilled steak to a dry, charred overcooked burger.
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    To me, Arnold is a bit of a miracle, in that he basically is a hack, but nevertheless is a lot of fun to listen to. Technically, his music has no resemblance to the music of Barry or Williams or the like. He emulates certain exclamations, but he has by far not as much control over the emotional effect as those composers had, or in Williams´ case still have. But what Arnold time and again manages is to proclaim enthusiasm and aliveness through his music. In that way, he stands out from among his contemporaries.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    talos7 wrote: »
    For a number of reasons Craig may be holding back on announcing his status as Bond until the release of this film. One reason would be his not wanting that news to overshadow this film or his performance.

    The article above agrees with me, so it must be correct ;)

    " The theory goes that Bond producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are graciously (or shrewdly) giving Craig's colorful (and award-worthy?) role in Steven Soderbergh's film the spotlight, waiting until after the movie has performed to make any announcement - one way or another - about Bond 25."
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    Any updates?
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Any updates?

    Yes. It has been confirmed that Bond 25 will be a failure unless Barbara Broccoli picks the great Christopher Nolan to write and direct it.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The display items during the Omega event were based on the prior Bond films. As an example, there were chips to recall the casino in SF and Vesper's ID to recall CR etc. etc. The passports are there for similar reasons.

    Brozza and Craig's images were the only ones used, because these are the only two Bond actors to sport Omega in the films (prior to that it was Rolex).
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    Michael Wilson and Samantha Bond (she looks great) were on hand at the event. Sadly, this doesn't mean she's returning as MP however.
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    MGW looking really well which is good to see, Sam Bond delicious as always. PLEASE bring us some news regarding Bond 25 soon!!!!!!!!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    David Arnold is a better and more memorable composer than Hans Zimmer. Unlike Newman he actually understands the Bond sound and knows how a Bond score should sound.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    For a number of reasons Craig may be holding back on announcing his status as Bond until the release of this film. One reason would be his not wanting that news to overshadow this film or his performance.

    The article above agrees with me, so it must be correct ;)

    " The theory goes that Bond producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are graciously (or shrewdly) giving Craig's colorful (and award-worthy?) role in Steven Soderbergh's film the spotlight, waiting until after the movie has performed to make any announcement - one way or another - about Bond 25."

    It seems to me though that they have been waiting too long
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    For a number of reasons Craig may be holding back on announcing his status as Bond until the release of this film. One reason would be his not wanting that news to overshadow this film or his performance.

    The article above agrees with me, so it must be correct ;)

    " The theory goes that Bond producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson are graciously (or shrewdly) giving Craig's colorful (and award-worthy?) role in Steven Soderbergh's film the spotlight, waiting until after the movie has performed to make any announcement - one way or another - about Bond 25."

    It seems to me though that they have been waiting too long

    Ya think? ;)

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Sadly with MGM dragging it's feet EON has no choice but to wait. It's like trying to start a car without keys.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Sadly with MGM dragging it's feet EON has no choice but to wait. It's like trying to start a car without keys.
    Except, you can hotwire a car. ;)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Sadly with MGM dragging it's feet EON has no choice but to wait. It's like trying to start a car without keys.
    Except, you can hotwire a car. ;)

    I think that might put EON in another lawsuit. :))
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Sadly with MGM dragging it's feet EON has no choice but to wait. It's like trying to start a car without keys.
    Except, you can hotwire a car. ;)

    I think that might put EON in another lawsuit. :))
    And we wouldn't want that, now, would we? :))
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