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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,359
    I'd like to see Craig's era end with the death of Blofeld and the end of Spectre that way if they want to reboot again then they can. I don't want to see another actor continue from Craig's story.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,454
    SPECTRE seemed pretty conclusive to me. It wrapped the era together with a bow at the end, by having Bond get the life he would have had with Vesper, with someone else. That's a fine way to end it - a feelgood last few moments. I fail to see what about that necessitates a follow up. We shouldn't be thinking in terms of what's best for Craig's tenure, but the franchise overall.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    We shouldn't be thinking in terms of what's best for Craig's tenure, but the franchise overall.
    Indeed. That certainly always reflects my point of view.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,359
    I'm thinking about what I want as a fan.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    SPECTRE seemed pretty conclusive to me. It wrapped the era together with a bow at the end, by having Bond get the life he would have had with Vesper, with someone else. That's a fine way to end it - a feelgood last few moments. I fail to see what about that necessitates a follow up. We shouldn't be thinking in terms of what's best for Craig's tenure, but the franchise overall.

    I thought we were talking from an assumption that Craig is returning?

    The have to continue the story (however shambolic it is) that they have started if he comes back. They need a resolution of the Blofeld situation. I'm afraid prison just doesnt cut it.

    If Craig doesnt come back then they can completely reboot and start SPECTRE from scratch with a new Blofeld and build them up over several films instead of the total botch they made of it in SP.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited July 2017 Posts: 8,454
    The truth is, even if SPECTRE had been a 10/10 film, would many fans be saying they are satisfied and don't want a fifth Craig film? I doubt it.

    There's nothing wrong with not wanting to see the current actor leave the role, but we have to realize that these tenures always either end early or end badly.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,359
    It's time to change that.
  • shamanimalshamanimal
    Posts: 623
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    SPECTRE seemed pretty conclusive to me. It wrapped the era together with a bow at the end, by having Bond get the life he would have had with Vesper, with someone else. That's a fine way to end it - a feelgood last few moments. I fail to see what about that necessitates a follow up. We shouldn't be thinking in terms of what's best for Craig's tenure, but the franchise overall.

    Yes. I came out the cinema after Spectre thinking 'well they've obviously tailored it as Craig's last Bond'. It's a full circle, and I don't see an un-killed main villain as a loose end. Blofeld never died in the other films anyway.

    I watched Spectre again tonight, and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's such a shame it didn't come after QoS, because I think it suffered from post-Skyfall expectations. It's a smasher of a Bond film. Sexy, thrills and spills, and beautifully shot. I can see how the story isn't as satisfying as SF, but I still love it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    If DC's Bond is back , I'd like to see him bleed... No way he fights Hinx, with that monster walloping him, without bruises and broken flesh...

    I think Mendes had a real problem with gritty violence... I'd like to see that make a return, along with DC...
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Brosnan never received the acclaim Craig has. Nor did Dalton, Moore, or Lazenby, for that matter (and I liked them all as Bond).
    He always did. The articles are all out there. I remember a time when Die Another Day was "the best Bond movie ever" and as such was praised by Roger Ebert. It was much later when Craig arrived in the role that Brosnan started receiving hatred and was dissed to no end. Thankfully, that dreadful detriment has decreased now in comparison to what it was back in the day.
    bondjames wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Craig is the best Bond since Connery "by most people's measures" as much as Brosnan was "by most people's measures" in his tenure, and so will the next actor, whoever he may be. They'll hail him as "the best Bond since Connery by most people's measures."

    Craig isn't unexpendable. They can easily replace him if they decide to follow a different vision and his doesn't match theirs. The Bond film is the star, not the actor.
    +1.

    The only question remains: what is the vision? If it's centred around Craig, I expect it to be a rather bleak end to his tenure. Babs will go for depth and SF2 most likely. They'll continue to be haunted by the success of that film while he's in the saddle.

    If they decide to take a clean break then they have more options with direction, which is why I still hope they do that, but recent articles and rumours suggest Craig is back to give us his Logan.
    +1. Well said, sir.

    Craig will want another Skyfall and most likely provide the character with another tragic angle involving another personal matter, trust issues, and most likely the inside man/rogue agent/mole plot element. People are already getting tired of that, and we're ascending above that "trend" that is no longer.

    Echo chamber in here, I see. Let's go to the BAFTA nominations, shall we?
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited July 2017 Posts: 4,589
    The New York Daily News is echoing the report, but also calling it "confirmation." So someone at the Daily news has spoken with the Mirror and determined that the story has enough merit to run it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/daniel-craig-set-return-james-bond-film-article-1.3313303
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    edited July 2017 Posts: 1,187
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    Respected Movie Insider John Campea confirms Daniel Craig's return as Bond:


    You lost all credibility months ago when you cited reddit as a reliable source and now with your continuous posting of links that are pure fabrication and then punctuated it with "Respected movie insider" in reference to John Campea shows how out of touch you are. You're done, mate.
    hmm, do I know you? Excuse me, but who made you the guy who confirms what's true and what's not?
    TripAces wrote: »
    The New York Daily News is echoing the report, but also calling it "confirmation." So someone at the Daily news has spoken with the Mirror and determined that the story has enough merit to run it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/daniel-craig-set-return-james-bond-film-article-1.3313303
    Slightly higher prestige tabloid if that is a thing now.

    I'll probably get hell for this but technician who works on the bond films reposted the news on instagram.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,589
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    Respected Movie Insider John Campea confirms Daniel Craig's return as Bond:


    You lost all credibility months ago when you cited reddit as a reliable source and now with your continuous posting of links that are pure fabrication and then punctuated it with "Respected movie insider" in reference to John Campea shows how out of touch you are. You're done, mate.
    hmm, do I know you? Excuse me, but who made you the guy who confirms what's true and what's not?
    TripAces wrote: »
    The New York Daily News is echoing the report, but also calling it "confirmation." So someone at the Daily news has spoken with the Mirror and determined that the story has enough merit to run it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/daniel-craig-set-return-james-bond-film-article-1.3313303
    Slightly higher prestige tabloid if that is a thing now.

    I'll probably get hell for this but technician who works on the bond films reposted the news on instagram.

    There might be. LOL

    But it took several hours for the NYDN to run the story, which would suggest they waited until they got some clarification. Meanwhile, major entertainment outlets, like Entertainment Weekly, are not reporting anything.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    echo wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Brosnan never received the acclaim Craig has. Nor did Dalton, Moore, or Lazenby, for that matter (and I liked them all as Bond).
    He always did. The articles are all out there. I remember a time when Die Another Day was "the best Bond movie ever" and as such was praised by Roger Ebert. It was much later when Craig arrived in the role that Brosnan started receiving hatred and was dissed to no end. Thankfully, that dreadful detriment has decreased now in comparison to what it was back in the day.
    bondjames wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Craig is the best Bond since Connery "by most people's measures" as much as Brosnan was "by most people's measures" in his tenure, and so will the next actor, whoever he may be. They'll hail him as "the best Bond since Connery by most people's measures."

    Craig isn't unexpendable. They can easily replace him if they decide to follow a different vision and his doesn't match theirs. The Bond film is the star, not the actor.
    +1.

    The only question remains: what is the vision? If it's centred around Craig, I expect it to be a rather bleak end to his tenure. Babs will go for depth and SF2 most likely. They'll continue to be haunted by the success of that film while he's in the saddle.

    If they decide to take a clean break then they have more options with direction, which is why I still hope they do that, but recent articles and rumours suggest Craig is back to give us his Logan.
    +1. Well said, sir.

    Craig will want another Skyfall and most likely provide the character with another tragic angle involving another personal matter, trust issues, and most likely the inside man/rogue agent/mole plot element. People are already getting tired of that, and we're ascending above that "trend" that is no longer.

    Echo chamber in here, I see. Let's go to the BAFTA nominations, shall we?
    What, one time BAFTA nomination (no 's') for Casino Royale and that's it? That defines the whole book for you?
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    Spectre was made as a possible send off. I dont think they were 100% on Craig returning.
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    edited July 2017 Posts: 2,115
    TripAces wrote: »
    The New York Daily News is echoing the report, but also calling it "confirmation." So someone at the Daily news has spoken with the Mirror and determined that the story has enough merit to run it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/daniel-craig-set-return-james-bond-film-article-1.3313303

    If someone at the Daily News called the Mirror, it's not mentioned. There's no mention of the Daily calling or contacting any of the principals to solicit comment. It's as if the Daily News is treating the Mirror story as confirmation in and itself.

    Also, the word "reportedly" appears three times, including the headline.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2017 Posts: 23,883
    If this is true they can let it ride.

    If it's not true and an announcement is coming in the next few months they will have to shut it down so as not to disappoint some.

    If it's not true and no announcement is forthcoming for the rest of the year I suppose they can let it ride too, because it will fizzle out in time, just like the other rumours over the past year.

    Let's see what happens, because this one is getting traction for the time being.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    bondjames wrote: »
    Let's see what happens, because this one is getting traction for the time being.

    Only with @QuantumOrganization.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    This is not confirmation by any stretch, but here it is.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/who-will-play-next-james-bond-producers-want-daniel-craig-back-2563222

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/daniel-craig-will-play-bond-in-next-007-movie-repo/1100-6451539/

    http://movieweb.com/daniel-craig-returning-james-bond-25-007/

    http://uproxx.com/movies/daniel-craig-will-play-james-bond-25/2/

    http://www.inquisitr.com/4356230/daniel-craig-reportedly-back-as-james-bond-after-years-of-casting-rumors/

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/daniel-craig-will-return-as-james-bond.html
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited July 2017 Posts: 6,387
    Does this mean Al Pacino is coming next?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    This is not confirmation by any stretch, but here it is.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/who-will-play-next-james-bond-producers-want-daniel-craig-back-2563222

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/daniel-craig-will-play-bond-in-next-007-movie-repo/1100-6451539/

    http://movieweb.com/daniel-craig-returning-james-bond-25-007/

    http://uproxx.com/movies/daniel-craig-will-play-james-bond-25/2/

    http://www.inquisitr.com/4356230/daniel-craig-reportedly-back-as-james-bond-after-years-of-casting-rumors/

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/daniel-craig-will-return-as-james-bond.html

    Mods any chance of putting this clown of my misery? If this doesn't constitute spam I don't know what does.

    Although fair play to you for going to the effort of trawling Google for every single instance of this story that has been copy and pasted to provide clickbait for crappy 'news' sites. Most commendable use of your time. I guess tomorrow you'll be basket weaving and the day after putting your hand alternatively into hot and cold water to see if they can detect any brain stem activity?

    And just in case you're in any doubt - this was a personal attack.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,359
    We all know the next James Bond is going to be slasher legend Jason Voorhees. Get it right people.. ugh.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited July 2017 Posts: 4,589
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    The New York Daily News is echoing the report, but also calling it "confirmation." So someone at the Daily news has spoken with the Mirror and determined that the story has enough merit to run it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/daniel-craig-set-return-james-bond-film-article-1.3313303

    If someone at the Daily News called the Mirror, it's not mentioned. There's no mention of the Daily calling or contacting any of the principals to solicit comment. It's as if the Daily News is treating the Mirror story as confirmation in and itself.

    Also, the word "reportedly" appears three times, including the headline.

    No, you are right, they didn't say that. But unlike other media outlets, which immediately ran a story upon seeing The Mirror's, the NYDN held off. So why the delay? Chances are, some calls were made to check just how reliable the sources were. This may be why the Daily News is the only media outlet here using that terminology.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    Posts: 7,057
    Murdock wrote: »
    We all know the next James Bond is going to be slasher legend Jason Voorhees. Get it right people.. ugh.

    So, Harry Manfredini to score Bond 25? ;)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,170
    Sadly this recent story of Craig returning for a fifth film is gaining traction. One of the Perth radio stations commented on it during their news bulletins across the day.
    Doesn't make it true, but Bond is a popular entertainment figure. BS or not, he's news worthy.

    And @TheWizardOfIce and @QuantumOrganization either get a room, or get over yourselves. The bickering and snide remarks are already tiresome. Can't you just get along, like normal people. Would be appreciated.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    Respected Movie Insider John Campea confirms Daniel Craig's return as Bond:


    You lost all credibility months ago when you cited reddit as a reliable source and now with your continuous posting of links that are pure fabrication and then punctuated it with "Respected movie insider" in reference to John Campea shows how out of touch you are. You're done, mate.
    hmm, do I know you? Excuse me, but who made you the guy who confirms what's true and what's not?

    The fact is, I know YOU and YOUR posting habits on this site and have identified your obvious gullibility when it comes to "news"; and your lack of differentiating what legit and bullshit sources is something you've conveyed since you joined. No one needs to make me anything. I operate how I please and it's a shame that I and others have to point out to you the painfully obvious when it comes to "news reports" but carry on spamming the thread with your "scoops".
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,585
    I take a degree of comfort from the fact that any suggestion of Bond news really does get the media into a mini-frenzy. It shows that the Bond series still has legs.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    NicNac wrote: »
    I take a degree of comfort from the fact that any suggestion of Bond news really does get the media into a mini-frenzy. It shows that the Bond series still has legs.

    Absolutely, the amount of coverage the possibility of a new Bond actor has got from the media shows that there is still a lot of life in the series. Nonsense media reports about Bond are annoying, but they only publish them because there is interest in Bond.
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