No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    So i'm guessing baz never responded back to jake.
    'Fraid not.

    @DonnyDB5 You can always try the chat thread.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    There had better be some rumours or something soon, because this is straight up boring.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    If eon already hired demange and warner bros is distributing then why can't they go ahead and officially announce it!
  • RC7RC7
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    The release date is Nov '19 go and watch some Bond films.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    If eon already hired demange and warner bros is distributing then why can't they go ahead and officially announce it!

    Because they'll make announcements when they're ready. At least we have some confirmations and a release date to look forward to until that time comes.
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    If eon already hired demange and warner bros is distributing then why can't they go ahead and officially announce it!

    Probably waiting for a few deals to fall into place and have every contract signed. Patience, it's coming soon
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    RC7 wrote: »
    The release date is Nov '19 go and watch some Bond films.
    +1. The news will get here when it gets here.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    If eon already hired demange and warner bros is distributing then why can't they go ahead and officially announce it!
    I wouldn't assume that any major decision on anything has been made yet. Not until EON or MGM say so anyway. We've a long way to go.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,978
    bondjames wrote: »
    If eon already hired demange and warner bros is distributing then why can't they go ahead and officially announce it!
    I wouldn't assume that any major decision on anything has been made yet. Not until EON or MGM say so anyway. We've a long way to go.

    Aside from them casting me as Moneypenny, you mean. That's been confirmed for months.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    If eon already hired demange and warner bros is distributing then why can't they go ahead and officially announce it!
    I wouldn't assume that any major decision on anything has been made yet. Not until EON or MGM say so anyway. We've a long way to go.

    Aside from them casting me as Moneypenny, you mean. That's been confirmed for months.

    I thought you were playing the Trans-Ponsonby?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    DCisared wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I'm no expert on clothing, but I have to agree with Matt Spaiser's opinion on this suit. The one on the right looks better.
    Isnt the point in this suit being slightly ill fitting is that its a suit blofeld has made bond wear?
    Villainy. Pure.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    "It was me James. The tailor of all your suits!"
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    If eon already hired demange and warner bros is distributing then why can't they go ahead and officially announce it!
    I wouldn't assume that any major decision on anything has been made yet. Not until EON or MGM say so anyway. We've a long way to go.

    Aside from them casting me as Moneypenny, you mean. That's been confirmed for months.
    Glad you've finally come out and acknowledged it @Creasy47. The rumour mill has been in overdrive on that one for a few months now. Phew! I'm just worried that you might now go on some late night talk show tonight, do a full 360 and deny it on a whim! ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    If eon already hired demange and warner bros is distributing then why can't they go ahead and officially announce it!
    I wouldn't assume that any major decision on anything has been made yet. Not until EON or MGM say so anyway. We've a long way to go.

    Aside from them casting me as Moneypenny, you mean. That's been confirmed for months.

    I thought you were playing the Trans-Ponsonby?

    It was that or Tiger Transaka, but I couldn't pass down everyone's favorite secretary.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    bondjames wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    My opinion is that the Bond scores should generally maintain a strong emphasis on theme and melody. Not all films --and not all Bond films-- need to be scored that way (Kamen and Serra did well), but with 007, there's a musical history and an identity that I'd like to see honored and preserved, and apart from that, having a traditionally Bondian score today can be a way of differentiating a Bond film from its competition. The Craig era, with all its introspection, doesn't change the fact the Bond films are spectacle: they are larger than life entertainment, and as such, they should generally have scores to match, in which, to reuse a phrase, the music goes for the jugular!
    I agree on this front, but think it should also retain a certain deft orchestral sophistication and melody. A bit of precision and subtlety combined with the majestic grandiosity. That's what Barry was able to do so well.
    I absolutely agree. I feel my words may have been slightly misleading in that they seem to suggest that "subtle is bad," so I wanted to clarify what I meant by "going for the jugular", an idea I've continued to analyze in my mind and now hopefully understand (and can explain) even better than before.

    By going for the jugular, what I meant to say was to musically convey the emotion and intention of a moment, or a scene, as directly and clearly as possible within the realm of possibility (in other words, without losing the element of subtlety, mystery or suspense that the respective scene might require). By doing that, the music adjusts to the larger-than-life quality of a Bond film. In my view, Barry worked in this style, whereas Newman doesn't; while he may create some effective moods through his music, he makes things more subtle than they have to be. Arnold also falls short in this respect, because sometimes he just doesn't get to the heart of the scene anyway.

    I just remembered an interview Barry gave in which he explained he scored the Bond films as if a 13 year old was telling the story of the movie. This made so much sense when I read it. You listen to his scores and can almost imagine something like this being conveyed through the music: "...and then Bond did this and that, and then he got caught, and then he was about to die... but he somehow managed to escape, got the girl and saved the day!" That's a reflection of the mythical, larger-than-life quality of these movies, an aspect that Barry reflected in his scores, in all kinds of scenes, whether action, suspense, mystery or romance. Which doesn't mean to "lose the subtlety."
    Newman has his moments but I definitely prefer Arnold. Bond music should be strong memorable and melodic, with cool recurring motifs. Newman didn't seem to get that. Arnold did. Call it a pastiche if you like but at least he clearly respected and understood why Barry's scores were so good.
    bondjames wrote: »
    I really don't know what Newman was up to with SP. Having said that, given my opinion of the film it's just par for the course. To call it mediocre is to pay it an undeserved compliment.

    My theory is that him phoning it in so badly was sort of a middle finger to EON. Apparently they clashed badly during SF (I think it was about his refusing to use the Adele theme in the score, they had to fight him just to include that one use at the casino) to the point that @JamesPage was dropping hints that he wouldn't be back for Bond 24 even when we knew Mendes was on board. But I guess EON were so desperate to keep Mendes happy that they put aside their differences. So I think the reuse of old tracks and general laziness of the SP score was just because of his bad experience working on SF, his heart probably wasn't in it after that.

    Out of curiosity, I checked the user's history. Found this:
    JamesPage wrote: »
    JamesPage wrote:
    I doubt Newman will be back, unless everyone involved has a short memory.

    He will be back. Mendes will obviously want to work with him again and it seems like the producers really want to keep Mendes happy. Which is great, Newman made an amazing score, the Oscar nomination was well deserved.

    I'm glad everyone here can see the future with such clarity! ;)

    I was talking about behind the scenes relations, not the quality of his score.

    Put it this way, you're lucky there was a Bond theme at all in the movie.

    And this:
    JamesPage wrote: »
    All I had heard was that Newman did not want to put the Skyfall theme woven into the soundtrack and had to be coaxed or pushed into doing that; and pretty much the same thing for the James Bond theme. There was more than that, but that is what I remember clearly enough.

    You are bang on the money.

    Hmm. Doesn't sound good.

    (Sorry for the long post.)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I just remembered an interview Barry gave in which he explained he scored the Bond films as if a 13 year old was telling the story of the movie. This made so much sense when I read it. You listen to his scores and can almost imagine something like this being conveyed through the music: "...and then Bond did this and that, and then he got caught, and then he was about to die... but he somehow managed to escape, got the girl and saved the day!" That's a reflection of the mythical, larger-than-life quality of these movies, an aspect that Barry reflected in his scores, in all kinds of scenes, whether action, suspense, mystery or romance. Which doesn't mean to "lose the subtlety."
    What you say about Barry's scoring technique is so true. There is a lot of emotion in his scores. One can almost 'feel' the scene even when not watching the film and listening to the score. He was always able to perfectly capture and then amplify or exaggerate the mood of the scene. I found that Goldsmith also was pretty good at this.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    DCisared wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I'm probably one of the few that digs the Tom Ford look. I love their suits, and I like the slim style on Craig. To me it's clean looking compared to the baggy look of the suits in CR. Then again, I've come to learn that suiting style/fit is extremely subjective.

    Moreover, Daniel Craig's Bond has got rougher edges, so a slightly 'criminal' look looks better on him I think. And that's why I also don't mind a few wrinkles in the used fabrics. That's Tom Ford. Brioni is for oldies like Brosnan. And I think Jany Temime deserves a bit more credit here. Let's move on, Lindy Hemming does other movies now. So please stop this kind of nonsense:
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    I'm no expert on clothing, but I have to agree with Matt Spaiser's opinion on this suit. The one on the right looks better.

    Isnt the point in this suit being slightly ill fitting is that its a suit blofeld has made bond wear?

    That's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure that is the case, since other suits Craig has worn looked the same way on him. And I'd like to imagine if the intention was to have Blofeld provide Bond with an ill-fitting suit, 007 would've refused to wear it.

    But I like the concept as an idea that could be inserted in a story. A subtle way of humilliating someone... just not Bond himself!
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    I'm not advocating another FRWL or TND with the Bond theme blaring every few seconds but I do wish Craig would get a Bond theme moment, with it playing in full force during an action scene. Every Bond should have one imo. My favourites are the TWINE bankers office escape and the Piz Gloria battle.
    CrzChris4 wrote: »
    I think Arnold absolutely hit his stride with QOS. There isn't a track in either of Newman's efforts that comes close to some of my favorite tracks, "What's Keeping You Awake?", "I Never Left", "Time To Get Out".

    "Los Muertos Vivos Estan" was a great SP track and completely made the opening moment of the film. Wished there was more on the actual soundtrack like it.

    My favourite tracks from the SP soundtrack are:

    01 - The Gunbarrel Entrance *made it myself*
    01 - Los Muertos Vivos Estan
    02 - Main Titles - Sam Smith - Writing's On The Wall
    04 - The Eternal City *lovely choir*
    07 - Backfire *great action piece*
    10 - Madeleine's Theme *top notch John Barry sound, reminiscent of Ms Octopussy*
    12 - Snow Plane *now THIS is my favourite! Always listen it when I need to work a bit harder*
    15 - Hinx
    16 - Writing's On The Wall - Instrumental
    17 - Silver Wraith *mysterious, scary, vulptuous, brought me back to Doctor No, makes you realize why Madeleine was actually scary, and Honey Rider too!*
    21 - Safe House *marvellous original track, has the lovely little cuckoo piano accords in it*
    27 - James Bond end theme *which basically for every of Craig's film is slightly different, with different instrumentation

    Personally, I love the subtlety of Newman's score. Yeah I know, most Bond fans want to have all typical aspects of the Bond franchise chewn out for you, like a cheap but sweet wine. I prefer a subtle gran reserva, with more notes and tannines once you listen to it more often.

    I like how you actually had a go at someone a few pages back for being a harsh wannabe critic presenting his opinion as fact (when really he was being perfectly fair and balanced) and then here you condescendingly passive aggressively say "everyone who disagrees with me is a moron". You really don't have any self awareness at all do you. Stop acting so smug and superior.

    You are merely agitated and irritated.....based on.......well, not much really. I have not used any wordings or vocabulary one could directly accuse me of being....well, "smug and superior". Nor did I call names or offended someone directly.

    So I feel a bit sorry for you that you let my personal opinion and short review about the tracks I love for SP, and which by no means are offending to anyone, be an incentive for even more negative whining and blabla about "superior and smug". Sad really.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Legendary scene. Not too keen on the score add though. Is that Arnold by chance?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Legendary scene. Not too keen on the score add though. Is that Arnold by chance?
    It's not.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Legendary scene. Not too keen on the score add though. Is that Arnold by chance?
    It's not.
    Sure sounded like his Brosnan era output.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited August 2017 Posts: 16,351
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Legendary scene. Not too keen on the score add though. Is that Arnold by chance?
    It's not.
    Sure sounded like his Brosnan era output.

    It's a remix by JMY.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Murdock wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Legendary scene. Not too keen on the score add though. Is that Arnold by chance?
    It's not.
    Sure sounded like his Brosnan era output.

    It's a remix by JMY.
    Thanks. It reminded me a bit of something I recall from TND's score.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 12,837
    I'm not advocating another FRWL or TND with the Bond theme blaring every few seconds but I do wish Craig would get a Bond theme moment, with it playing in full force during an action scene. Every Bond should have one imo. My favourites are the TWINE bankers office escape and the Piz Gloria battle.
    CrzChris4 wrote: »
    I think Arnold absolutely hit his stride with QOS. There isn't a track in either of Newman's efforts that comes close to some of my favorite tracks, "What's Keeping You Awake?", "I Never Left", "Time To Get Out".

    "Los Muertos Vivos Estan" was a great SP track and completely made the opening moment of the film. Wished there was more on the actual soundtrack like it.

    My favourite tracks from the SP soundtrack are:

    01 - The Gunbarrel Entrance *made it myself*
    01 - Los Muertos Vivos Estan
    02 - Main Titles - Sam Smith - Writing's On The Wall
    04 - The Eternal City *lovely choir*
    07 - Backfire *great action piece*
    10 - Madeleine's Theme *top notch John Barry sound, reminiscent of Ms Octopussy*
    12 - Snow Plane *now THIS is my favourite! Always listen it when I need to work a bit harder*
    15 - Hinx
    16 - Writing's On The Wall - Instrumental
    17 - Silver Wraith *mysterious, scary, vulptuous, brought me back to Doctor No, makes you realize why Madeleine was actually scary, and Honey Rider too!*
    21 - Safe House *marvellous original track, has the lovely little cuckoo piano accords in it*
    27 - James Bond end theme *which basically for every of Craig's film is slightly different, with different instrumentation

    Personally, I love the subtlety of Newman's score. Yeah I know, most Bond fans want to have all typical aspects of the Bond franchise chewn out for you, like a cheap but sweet wine. I prefer a subtle gran reserva, with more notes and tannines once you listen to it more often.

    I like how you actually had a go at someone a few pages back for being a harsh wannabe critic presenting his opinion as fact (when really he was being perfectly fair and balanced) and then here you condescendingly passive aggressively say "everyone who disagrees with me is a moron". You really don't have any self awareness at all do you. Stop acting so smug and superior.

    You are merely agitated and irritated.....based on.......well, not much really. I have not used any wordings or vocabulary one could directly accuse me of being....well, "smug and superior". Nor did I call names or offended someone directly.

    So I feel a bit sorry for you that you let my personal opinion and short review about the tracks I love for SP, and which by no means are offending to anyone, be an incentive for even more negative whining and blabla about "superior and smug". Sad really.

    Really? What part of "most Bond fans want to have all typical aspects of the Bond franchise chewn out for you, like a cheap but sweet wine. I prefer a subtle gran reserva, with more notes and tannines once you listen to it more often." isn't acting all smug and superior? You're painting anyone who disagrees with you on Newman as morons who will eat up any old shit that can't appreciate his subtle genius. That's the offending part, it's smug, bitchy and completely unnecessary and you knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote it. You could have easily talked about how you loved the tracks without adding that bit about how most Bond fans just want a cheap pastiche and can't appreciate this subtlety, but you can (what part of that is not acting like you're superior?).

    I don't care about you loving those tracks, glad you enjoy them. Notice how @bondjames has been positive about Newman/critical of Arnold and I didn't care at all because he got that across without being patronising and demeaning to those who disagree with him. I'm not whining because you were positive about SP (a film I love). It's your attitude/how you express your opinions that rubs me the wrong way and it isn't exclusive to this post either.
  • Posts: 11,119
    I'm not advocating another FRWL or TND with the Bond theme blaring every few seconds but I do wish Craig would get a Bond theme moment, with it playing in full force during an action scene. Every Bond should have one imo. My favourites are the TWINE bankers office escape and the Piz Gloria battle.
    CrzChris4 wrote: »
    I think Arnold absolutely hit his stride with QOS. There isn't a track in either of Newman's efforts that comes close to some of my favorite tracks, "What's Keeping You Awake?", "I Never Left", "Time To Get Out".

    "Los Muertos Vivos Estan" was a great SP track and completely made the opening moment of the film. Wished there was more on the actual soundtrack like it.

    My favourite tracks from the SP soundtrack are:

    01 - The Gunbarrel Entrance *made it myself*
    01 - Los Muertos Vivos Estan
    02 - Main Titles - Sam Smith - Writing's On The Wall
    04 - The Eternal City *lovely choir*
    07 - Backfire *great action piece*
    10 - Madeleine's Theme *top notch John Barry sound, reminiscent of Ms Octopussy*
    12 - Snow Plane *now THIS is my favourite! Always listen it when I need to work a bit harder*
    15 - Hinx
    16 - Writing's On The Wall - Instrumental
    17 - Silver Wraith *mysterious, scary, vulptuous, brought me back to Doctor No, makes you realize why Madeleine was actually scary, and Honey Rider too!*
    21 - Safe House *marvellous original track, has the lovely little cuckoo piano accords in it*
    27 - James Bond end theme *which basically for every of Craig's film is slightly different, with different instrumentation

    Personally, I love the subtlety of Newman's score. Yeah I know, most Bond fans want to have all typical aspects of the Bond franchise chewn out for you, like a cheap but sweet wine. I prefer a subtle gran reserva, with more notes and tannines once you listen to it more often.

    I like how you actually had a go at someone a few pages back for being a harsh wannabe critic presenting his opinion as fact (when really he was being perfectly fair and balanced) and then here you condescendingly passive aggressively say "everyone who disagrees with me is a moron". You really don't have any self awareness at all do you. Stop acting so smug and superior.

    You are merely agitated and irritated.....based on.......well, not much really. I have not used any wordings or vocabulary one could directly accuse me of being....well, "smug and superior". Nor did I call names or offended someone directly.

    So I feel a bit sorry for you that you let my personal opinion and short review about the tracks I love for SP, and which by no means are offending to anyone, be an incentive for even more negative whining and blabla about "superior and smug". Sad really.

    Really? What part of "most Bond fans want to have all typical aspects of the Bond franchise chewn out for you, like a cheap but sweet wine. I prefer a subtle gran reserva, with more notes and tannines once you listen to it more often." isn't acting all smug and superior? You're painting anyone who disagrees with you on Newman as morons who will eat up any old shit that can't appreciate his subtle genius. That's the offending part, it's smug, bitchy and completely unnecessary and you knew exactly what you were doing when you wrote it. You could have easily talked about how you loved the tracks without adding that bit about how most Bond fans just want a cheap pastiche and can't appreciate this subtlety, but you can (what part of that is not acting like you're superior?).

    I don't care about you loving those tracks, glad you enjoy them. Notice how @bondjames has been positive about Newman/critical of Arnold and I didn't care at all because he got that across without being patronising and demeaning to those who disagree with him. I'm not whining because you were positive about SP (a film I love). It's your attitude/how you express your opinions that rubs me the wrong way and it isn't exclusive to this post either.

    Ooowh dear, don't take it all so seriously. And don't take it so personal either. Sometimes personal opinions are hard to swallow. I know that myself. But for me, I just love the subtlety of Thomas Newman's score. I have grown accustomed to his music, and I started to really like it. Hence I made the comparison with a good wine. We all know that on several occasions the Bond theme has been used in an overblown way, almost like a pastiche of itself. It also depends on my mood. I can really like David Arnold. Especially tracks like 'Backseat Driver' and 'Come In 007 Your Time Is Up'. It's music that gets right into your ears and don't let go of it. That's because of the melodic simplicity of these action cueues. But what Thomas Newman does is composing music that is less simple, isn't bluntly presented on your favourite plate, and needs more listening attempts to truly appreciate it. That fact for me is musical beauty as well. But it seems to me that many Bond fans do not appreciate that kind of music. Hence the.....'love' for David Arnold.

    Do I sound vulgar, arrogant, smug now? I don't think so. It's my personal opinion. But please take into account that it isn't meant to insult people with it. Within the Bond fan community there are minorities and majorities too; majorities for elements we love, but also minorities, like my appreciation of Thomas Newman. We have to understand that a bit more often I think. Counts for me as well! So no hard feelings @thelivingroyale, you little smug bastard ;-) *joke*
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 3,276
    a man by the way who isn't even active/productive anymore in Hollywood,
    Well said, @Gustav_Graves! If Arnold is such a great composer, why hasn't he worked on anything siginificant since QOS?.
    He has. He has been busy the last seven years doing 'Sherlock'
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited August 2017 Posts: 7,553
    I wish no attacks would be directed towards anyone and we could all just talk about Bond 25 like we're supposed to in this thread.
    That way lurkers like me won't have to wade through all sorts of ad hominim to find interesting tidbits of information ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    There had better be some rumours or something soon, because this is straight up boring.

    And if EON announced every little detail about the film right now, would people then be satisfied for the next couple of years?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    David Arnold is not good enough and has no work but Newman's scores are so wonderful...
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Guys and gals, it is really necessary to target specific users?

    Surely we can discuss a position without going there.

    Some people get away with it regularly obviously because they are so loooong standing members and have the right opinion about Craig.
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