Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Szonana wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Yeah I'm sick of hearing the word Trust in Bond films and I don't want Mallory to be a bad guy. I like him as a good guy better.
    Agree and Bond already didn't trust Mallory at the beginning of Skyfall so that would be old.

    And the theme of knowing who to trust was brought in Die another day already

    I blame Holly Goodhead for this whole 'trust' debacle. Why, oh, why did she have such a hard time trusting Bond?! ;)
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    Two directions that would interest me are:

    1. Going back to total standalone, non-SPECTRE related films for a while, like the Moore/Dalton/Brosnan eras. Maybe a little more humorous again and just with everything in MI6 all set up. Not a ton of exposition - just simple, staightforward, standalone Bond adventures somewhat like the ones in the middle years of Bond film history.

    2. Starting to faithfully adapt all of Fleming’s Bond novels for the big screen. This might be a challenging undertaking, but if done well I think Bond fans would absolutely love it. We’d probably need 2-4 actors as Bond overall though to be able to see all the Fleming novels adapted into films.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Wasn t it introduced in TWINE?
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Two directions that would interest me are:

    1. Going back to total standalone, non-SPECTRE related films for a while, like the Moore/Dalton/Brosnan eras. Maybe a little more humorous again and just with everything in MI6 all set up. Not a ton of exposition - just simple, staightforward, standalone Bond adventures somewhat like the ones in the middle years of Bond film history.

    2. Starting to faithfully adapt all of Fleming’s Bond novels for the big screen. This might be a challenging undertaking, but if done well I think Bond fans would absolutely love it. We’d probably need 2-4 actors as Bond overall though to be able to see all the Fleming novels adapted into films.

    #1 for me. I thought after QOS that that's what we'd be getting. Turns out I was wrong.
  • For Bond 26 I’m looking forward to the tag line “This time, it’s NOT personal.”

    It would be great to introduce a new, young Bond, with a more heroic approach to his motives and for the production team to have a longer range plan and a set of stories they will develop (first time out, they started out with a series of stories to guide them in the form of Fleming’s books, but for too long they have been thinking one film at a time).

    The movies should be released, one every 2 years at most, with a fresh approach to the material to keep it relevant; Bond is an MI6 Intelligence Officer on one side of the leather studded door, but secretly one of a select team of 00 agents on the other side. Nothing is official, nothing is written down, everything is ‘analogue’.

    The agents come across each other in the Whitehall office but operate alone on missions and outside the wider security framework. They rely on their wits and spy skills but can call on support from Q in the field to build them a specific tool or mechanical gadget where needed (Bond’s gadgetry also could take a different, more ‘steam-punk’ approach, now that the hi-tech solutions that were once so magical are now available in every supermarket and tech-shop).

    Above all, please make Bond a spy with License to Kill in the line of duty again. The reinterpretation of him as an assassin in recent films doesn’t sit with the character I know and love.
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    It's coming...

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    God enough with the one word s titles
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited September 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Roger Moore (7)/Sean Connery (6)/Daniel Craig (5)/Pierce Brosnan (4)/7th Bond (3)/ Timothy Dalton (2)/ George Lazenby (1). I want 3 completely different tone and standalone films and 3 films are enough for today's bond or more specifically tomorrow's Bond. It will also complete the list if 7th bond will do a "Bond Trilogy". They should plan it beforehand for a trilogy so it won't be a mess like Daniel's tenure as bond and we may get Bond films in every 2 years as well.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 1,661
    In terms of storylines - I think AI: artificial intelligence is worth exploring.

    Bond vs robots or advanced computers? I don't mean full-on Terminator territory but if the villain uses robots or advanced AI tech to threaten the world that might give the franchise a different feel.

    As for Bond himself, well, I guess it depends on characteristics of the next actor. Hopefully the next Bond actor won't want to copy Craig's style. He should have his own approach. I don't expect the Cubby/Harry Saltzman type Bond to return, I think that's gone for good (you could argue it's a bit too old fashioned in the 21st century?) so the new guy doesn't need to be like Connery or Moore. As long as the actor is reasonably confident, reasonably good looking (bit subjective, I guess), and you believe he is a credible commander in the navy/secret agent - that will do. :)

    I wouldn't mind seeing more of the 00's in action. The pre-credit scene from TLD does hint at the potential of the 00s. What if Bond led a team of 00s into a huge battle at the end of a Bond film? I feel that has potential!



  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,636
    How about when DC leaves he takes P & W with him? As we talk about trust issues being in the modern 007 movies, it's always a staple in their scripts. That and Bond goes rogue. Also, as I've said before, start adapting non-Ian Fleming books. There's a lot of good material and stories that could be used. Not every James Bond movie needs to be an original screenplay. They should reboot it after Craig simply if they want to use Blofeld properly again. How about starting with Forever and a Day, by Anthony Horowitz? It's set early in his career.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Agree there has been enough trust issues. It belongs more in X-Files.
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    Can it go anywhere after Craig?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Do EoN have the rights to the continuation novels?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Do EoN have the rights to the continuation novels?

    Yes.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Do EoN have the rights to the continuation novels?

    I'm sure it could be arranged. Both companies could gain something better from it.
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    Where does Bond go after Craig?

    Here
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Where does Bond go after Craig?

    Here

    Hans Zimmer's farts? That's disgusting.
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    Charlie Higson blackmails Eon and Barbara Broccoli is forced to make...

    Young Bond!

    James Bond faces danger and intrigue at school! Bond's bicycle is stolen by the school bully! Bond forgets to do his homework! Bond smokes in the playground! Bond tells his teacher he wants to be a spy when he grows up and gets a detention for his impertinence!

    Daniel Craig is considered for the role. :P
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    Honestly I could (considering the current climate) see a Smersh trilogy with Hardy or Hiddleston as 007

    Smersh Film 1 introduces a rouge element of the Russian government creating Smersh with 007 stopping a minor plan

    Death to Spies film 2 007 takes out one of there main players (jack spang perhaps) the mysterious General G is introduced here.

    Risico film 3 Bond takes down Smersh once and for all
  • I think I've suggested this before, but my feeling is that going more strong, stoic and brooding than Craig is difficult. (Matt Damon, I believe, said a total of 45 words in the film "Jason Bourne," but I'm not sure that's a record we want to break.)

    I'd say a middle ground that injects a bit of Roger's cheeriness might be the way forward. I'm thinking of the success that Marvel has had lately by bringing a bit more fun to characters like Thor and Ironman, while the DC characters like Batman and Superman have essentially run out of ways to get 'darker.'

    It'll come down to the actor, of course, and to having the right director for their first film to help set the tone. But my gut feeling is that we might see the toughness retained but the overall tone lightened a little bit.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    octofinger wrote: »
    I think I've suggested this before, but my feeling is that going more strong, stoic and brooding than Craig is difficult. (Matt Damon, I believe, said a total of 45 words in the film "Jason Bourne," but I'm not sure that's a record we want to break.)

    I'd say a middle ground that injects a bit of Roger's cheeriness might be the way forward. I'm thinking of the success that Marvel has had lately by bringing a bit more fun to characters like Thor and Ironman, while the DC characters like Batman and Superman have essentially run out of ways to get 'darker.'

    It'll come down to the actor, of course, and to having the right director for their first film to help set the tone. But my gut feeling is that we might see the toughness retained but the overall tone lightened a little bit.
    That would be very much welcomed by this fan, and I agree with you that the actor and potentially director will be critical to achieving that successfully.
  • I think the future of the film franchise comes down to a clear choice. If we remain in contemporary times we have to change something drastic about the character (ie Bond should be a black man or a woman) Otherwise let's go back to the 1950's or 1960's. But change the tone slightly. Everyone remembers the campy and fun tone of the 1970's under Roger Moore but imagine a Bond film that was set in the 1970's but with the grit and realism of a film like Munich.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    I think the future of the film franchise comes down to a clear choice. If we remain in contemporary times we have to change something drastic about the character (ie Bond should be a black man or a woman) Otherwise let's go back to the 1950's or 1960's. But change the tone slightly. Everyone remembers the campy and fun tone of the 1970's under Roger Moore but imagine a Bond film that was set in the 1970's but with the grit and realism of a film like Munich.

    That sounds fantastic!!!!

  • edited October 2018 Posts: 1,661
    I think the Metoo movement means the next Bond won't be going around having casual sex with women. Personally I'd like Bond to remain a healthy (or should be an unhealthy?) sexist but times have changed and if the next Bond film goes back to the Connery/Moore template you can guarantee the social media-verse will be up in arms:

    "How dare Bond remain sexist/misogynistic in the 21st century!"

    "He is a disgrace!"

    "Time for a female Bond!"


    My guess is Bond will still still have a bit of the Bourne/rogue spy element or some emotional backstory to overcome. I can't imagine the next Bond actor waltzing around the world and bedding lots of women and remaining emotionally detached.

    The original Cubby/Harry James Bond ended with Die Another Day. It took a slight detour when Dalton took the part - he wanted to be closer to Fleming's Bond - but the character still inhabited Cubby's Bond world. B Broccoli/Wilson's Bond was a step back into a more politically correct world and it will probably continue with Bond#7. I can't see Bond going back to the Connery/Moore persona.

    I'm a guy so I'm biased but I'd love Bond to remain a sexist, a smoker, a womanizer, a blunt instrument of the state. That's what made Bond so appealing but everyone is so touchy these days. They go online and moan "oh this awful!" I'm sure Bond doesn't have a social media account so he'd never read all the negative comments. ;)
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    I wan't a Cubby/Harry James Bond for the next actor/era. Continuing the same path as this era has will no doubt reduce my interest in the franchise considerably.

    I'm mostly here for the older films these days, really.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Surely back to where it was for 44 years pre-Craig.

    An enjoyable, globe trotting adventure, with a healthy dose of male fantasy.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think it's possible, and perhaps preferable, to attempt to achieve a middle ground.

    I agree that a full return to the later (post GF) Cubby/Harry approach is perhaps unlikely given the times we live in. We have to keep in mind that the original era (if we assume it went up to LTK) ended close to 30 years ago now, which is more than 1/2 the time that Bond has been around cinematically.

    I've said this before, but I think there is a potential highly lucrative opening in the market that has been left unattended for some time, and is longing to be filled.

    It is that of the suave, classic British spy in a dark (but not brooding) suspense thriller. Something with intrigue (it can be political, as long as it's not overt), atmosphere and mystery. It doesn't need to be too heavy on the action (leave that to FF or MI), but it needs to be distinctive and inimitable. It must embrace the essence and spirit of the early (and imho, the best) Bond films without overtly plagiarizing them.

    Key to making this successful will be the right man in the tux. I think after what we've had recently, we must go back to tall, dark and handsome...and essentially suave. Someone who is instantly credible physically and personality wise with the opposite sex. We have to believe (without a shadow of a doubt) that he can turn on any woman by his presence. As Fukunaga appropriately said, he must be plausible as a 'quintessential panty dropper'. Why? Well because some of what they used to show us in the past likely can't be shown anymore due to the sensitive times. Therefore the actor himself must embody these characteristics credibly. I'd personally prefer someone who also conveys intelligence and a sense of mystery.

    The film which most characterizes and encapsulates the atmosphere and style that I want to see post-Craig is FRWL. Think the PTS, the Hagia Sophia, The Orient Express or the Bond/Tania intro scenes in particular. Incomparable confidence, sophistication, class and mystery without breaking the bank.
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    The next era needs films on a 2-3 year consistent basis.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    The next era needs films on a 2-3 year consistent basis.

    I can't agree enough. Building anticipation is one thing but the delays have gotten ridiculous.
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    Remington wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    The next era needs films on a 2-3 year consistent basis.

    I can't agree enough. Building anticipation is one thing but the delays have gotten ridiculous.

    Fully agree with both comments.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    Maybe Mr Cummerbund might be an option...

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