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I'm with @FrankXavier. We've had 4 of the 5 recent Bond films with Bond in love/heartbroken, and I think it's time for a rest.
I think a Brand- or Camille-like character is a good direction for Eon, whether or not Bond sleeps with her (preferably, yes).
Brand is written a bit thinly and melodramatically, though, particularly when Drax's minion commits suicide over her (presumably because he's sex-starved and she's the only woman in the Drax operation?).
Brand is not the most successful part of the MR novel but for her ending.
I mean I did kinda cringe at that part of the Spectre opening. Even if on a whole it was an awesome opening.
But they surely must understand a woman having agency and deciding to have consensual sex with Bond regardless of where it leads to should be fair game.
Not that a sexless Bond movie doesn't work as well -- it certainly does -- I think there's room for both possibilities.
Napoleon Solo did this well in the 2015 film.
Shoot how do you upload a photo on here? I have the screenshot but can't upload it.
This will guide you through it:
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/19049/how-to-post-photos-and-videos-to-mi6-instructional-video
What made Tracy and Vesper so interesting was their self-assurance and banter with Bond. I recall no clever dialogue between Bond and MS. For that matter did she ever smile? I recall the pouty looks, but not a smile. She probably smiled, I just don't remember. Spot on regarding the receptionist
On the train a couple of times, and at the very end. To your point, that's not a lot.
It's not if she smiles, it's just her coldness towards him and their lack of chemistry.
She had no inner fire, the warmth.
Tracy and Vesper both had inner fire and warmth, they're also fully fleshed out Bond Girls, they have complexities, and most important they both have chemistry with Bond.
Madeleine had none of that, her character just made me liked Camille Montes more, because at least Camille was a bit complex and strong willed and her banter with Bond was interesting.
Madeleine's characterization was almost paper thin, she's not even that interesting.
What's most intriguing to me about SP is when Madeleine drops her facade, at L'Americain. And again, very briefly, when she admits to Bond that she's scared at the base. The film needed to give her more moments like that, IMHO.
Seydoux's a good actress, some would say among the best of her generation. But the SP script did her no favors because the character was so underwritten.
Léa Seydou’s performance suited Swann’s character , and backstory, doesn’t retcon her lack of chemistry with Daniel and general lack of screen presence in this particular role. To give her the benefit of the doubt, possibly it was the writing or direction.
I basically agree with you. I wonder whether Craig and Seydoux did a chemistry screen test or not. I'd bet not, and that she was just cast off the strength of her previous roles.
As usual, I blame Mendes.
It certainly didn't.
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One of the biggest problems with her character in Spectre, were two of her big moments in the film are sandwiched in between probably the biggest highlight of the film, the train fight with Hinx.
The first moment is her and Bond having a intimate almost revealing chat about Bond's thoughts and her walls coming down. The other moment being Swann and Bond sleeping together. Every audience I watched that with laughed, nobody bought that these two characters were falling in love. It played more like a gag from the Roger era.
Also great point @Venutius I never thought about the location of introduction mirroring her character
Simple, they want Madeleine to be different than Vesper and be his next Tracy.
But the problem if we're going to compare her to Tracy, at least Tracy had the montage, the barn scene, the scene of she and Bond skiing together, and showing her tough side when Blofeld kidnapped her, she had many moments in the film.
And in my opinion, aside from poor writing, Seydoux, looking at her performance (paticularly in SPECTRE), it looked like she wanted to be in the other movies rather than Bond, her heart was not in it, some of her scenes felt forced and not natural.
She's a great actress, but she didn't gave her full self in the role, may be she had no choice? She just did it for money?
It's like that "I didn't liked this role, but since they hired me, so okay, I'm just going to act it out" kind of attitude, she's not sincere, hence the lack of chemistry or the emotions was forced.
At least to me, Rigg and Green both played their characters with sincerity.
Possibly, but in person chemistry is not always reflected by on screen chemistry; there are several instances where a couple got marvelously in character but loathe each other personally.
I think that sometimes a performer who is in a longtime role begins to have too much say in everything from costars to wardrobe.
I agree. Sometimes an actor who has too much input on other aspects of the production tends to make personal choices at the expensive of the film's overall quality.
Prime example.....and this is just my opinion.....Connery choosing Michel Legrand to score NSNA.
In my eyes, NTTD rectified the thin characters from the previous film and, maybe because I've hit my head too many times, I absolutely adored and believed the relationship Bond and Madeleine shared in the film-- and I DID NOT want Seydoux back when I heard she was cast for the follow-up...
I'm happy that my bias from Spectre was corrected and the two leads oozed a dysfunctional type of love.
I think I first heard it suggested by Darth Dimi but it's definitely there, so worth reiterating, eh! ;)
I guess this is in the eye of the beholder as I never really saw all this apparent chemistry with Green. They acted well together, but they're good actors. I actually got more vibes of a genuine adult relationship from the beginning of NTTD with Seydoux.
I still think Green was miscast, good though she is.