Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 1,859
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since. Bond in its various iterations is always entertaining even when it disappoints, which is why I have seen every Bond film at a cinema when it came out. I have every expectation the next Bond film will be entertaining. I am sure the producers will do their best to meet fan expectations post Craig. For many the new Bond will be the best Bond. It will feature new faces, state of the art technology, and all the whistles and bells contemporary movie making offers. But it will be film twenty-six in a sixty-five year history. Even for us original fans, the thrill, like that first kiss, wore off before the Connery era expired. It would be fun to feel that way about a Bond film again.

    So true.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 2023 Posts: 16,383
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.
  • Posts: 1,986
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    Which Bond for you seemed exciting and world-changing when you were a kid?

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Living Daylights. One of the duller ones now in retrospect, and certainly not one which set the world on fire, but possibly still my favourite because of that association.
    It's hard to totally eliminate perception and be objective about these things. But I still get excited about the new Bond film coming along, and in a way Eon are curating that feeling rather well by not banging out a Brosnan-esque one every two years.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited April 2023 Posts: 8,395
    007HallY wrote: »
    If anything I'd argue the Cuba sequence offers us a glimpse at the next Bond era could potentially look like. People often miss that the 'fun' parts of that scene are preceded by one of the most gruesome moments in the Bond series - namely, when the nanobots are released and the SPECTRE agents die in a manner that wouldn't look out of place in a horror film. The ideas behind the sequence are also pretty subversive in regards to the tropes of a Bond film - instead of being a ditz Paloma turns out to be a competent agent, instead of the classically stuffy boardroom this SPECTRE meeting takes place in a campy 'bonga bonga' type party etc.

    Personally, I think viewers simply want to be entertained, especially when it comes to Bond. But an important part of being entertained is precisely these sorts of contrasts. A whole film with the tone of those 'lighter' moments in the Cuba sequence would fall flat, whereas when it's there in a film like NTTD - with all it's fatalism and 'emotional heft' (whatever this means) - it makes it all the more sweet.

    To be clear, I never said every scene has to have this tone just the majority of them. The Craigs films are mostly serious with the odd lighter scene occasionally, I think Bond 26 should be the inverse. Mostly lighthearted and breezy, with just enough room for some drama to be woven throughout, somewhat in the TB, TSWLM, TLD, GE mold. I don't see why Bond should have to be moping for 70% of the movie to give it some heft.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Do you think the next film should be lighter in tone by any chance, Mendes4Lyfe? I'm just trying to read between the lines here ;)
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    007HallY wrote: »
    If anything I'd argue the Cuba sequence offers us a glimpse at the next Bond era could potentially look like. People often miss that the 'fun' parts of that scene are preceded by one of the most gruesome moments in the Bond series - namely, when the nanobots are released and the SPECTRE agents die in a manner that wouldn't look out of place in a horror film. The ideas behind the sequence are also pretty subversive in regards to the tropes of a Bond film - instead of being a ditz Paloma turns out to be a competent agent, instead of the classically stuffy boardroom this SPECTRE meeting takes place in a campy 'bonga bonga' type party etc.

    Personally, I think viewers simply want to be entertained, especially when it comes to Bond. But an important part of being entertained is precisely these sorts of contrasts. A whole film with the tone of those 'lighter' moments in the Cuba sequence would fall flat, whereas when it's there in a film like NTTD - with all it's fatalism and 'emotional heft' (whatever this means) - it makes it all the more sweet.

    To be clear, I never said every scene has to have this tone just the majority of them. The Craigs films are mostly serious with the odd lighter scene occasionally, I think Bond 26 should be the inverse. Mostly lighthearted and breezy, with just enough room for some drama to be woven throughout, somewhat in the TB, TSWLM, TLD, GE mold. I don't see why Bond should have to be moping for 70% of the movie to give it some heft.

    Maybe I just don't fully recognise how you see the Craig era then. To each their own.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited April 2023 Posts: 8,395
    mtm wrote: »
    Do you think the next film should be lighter in tone by any chance, Mendes4Lyfe? I'm just trying to read between the lines here ;)

    since you ask, I think the big problem that EON and people are making is treating "drama" in the story and there being "personal trauma" for Bond's character as one and the same thing. That's why I say bond doesn't have to be a mope in order for the story to have dramatic stakes. They aren't the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I understand why in Casino Royale bond allows his emotions to get the better of him, because that's the whole point - it's an origin story. We're seeing how the hero became who he is. The problem is we've seen bonds entire life as a 00 from beginning to end, and we never got to see the man "being the legend", only in moments. He was always either a rookie, lost a step, old dog, back from the dead, etc. And now people are saying that they next era to follow the same tone as the Craig films? Was 5 films and 15 years not enough? I understand wanting drama, and not wanting just silly nonsense, but there are other ways of creating tension than having Bond be a permanent sad sack. We can have exciting, engaging stories without having the central conflict explicitly tied to bonds character and emotional development. As far as I'm concerned, that's nothing more than a gimmick, and one that they've thoroughly drained the juice from with Craigs era. If the next era is supposed to be a "reinvention", ideally it should do things a bit differently. Why not create an really engaging story, and then worry about how Bond's personal life fits into things. It seems like for the past few films they've been so focused on the artistic flourishes, the symbolism, and emotional payoffs, that they've been neglecting the nuts and bolts of a good story. Bond 26 should be back to basics in all senses, in other words make sure the story is solid and stands on its own, and then worry about fitting in character moments where possible.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Too lightweight and fantasy based and you find yourself competing with Marvel, which you really don’t want to do. They might well give us a more triumphant ending than the ones we got in the Craig era, though. The only Craig film where Bond ends up with the girl at the end is Spectre, and even that feels kind of down.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Within the next 2 weeks we should see whether the dream of a 2026 release date is still alive. #excited
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Within the next 2 weeks we should see whether the dream of a 2026 release date is still alive. #excited

    Why the next 2 weeks?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Mendes4Lyfe is just excited because he’ll get to gripe more about how things aren’t what they used to be.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Within the next 2 weeks we should see whether the dream of a 2026 release date is still alive. #excited

    Why the next 2 weeks?

    I thinks he’s referring to the WGA and the potential strike (the last contract expires on May 1; if the producers and writers don’t come to an agreement by then, the writers will be striking).
  • Posts: 1,859
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.

    Sure, in the context of the time it came out. But those old films don’t play the same way they do today for newer generations. I’m sure CASINO ROYALE will not seem all that novel to new viewers in the 2060s.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    delfloria wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    The great thing about being an original Bond fan is we were there for the beginning of it all. As has been often repeated here it was new, exciting, and hasn't been recaptured. It was a moment like The Beatles. It burned brightly for a while and the moment passed to be replaced by something else that has never felt quite as original or exciting since.

    Things often seem more exciting and world-changing when you’re a kid and less so when you’re older though.
    People your age now in ‘62 likely wouldn’t have been massively interested in Dr No then.

    But when Goldfinger arrived, it did change the world and the re-release of DN and FRWL couldn't come fast enough. Bond's influence was felt everywhere and for almost every age.

    I think that’s overstating it. I’m sure lots of folk weren’t interested at all.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    https://deadline.com/2023/04/wga-members-social-media-strike-authorization-mini-rooms-low-pay-1235325814/

    Just an update.

    Not looking good.

    As the article states, there's been "a little" progress in feature film discussions, but they're far away from an ultImate deal.

    The strike authorization was proposed this week and the final vote will be cast this Monday. I've been told to expect that well over 90% will vote for striking (my guess is a 98% vote)....

    This article has more to do with the TV side of things, but is a small sample of the overall temperature.

    It's not looking good, and I think the WGA will be digging their heels in. They avoided a strike three years ago, but the tone is different this time out. Sabres have been rattling for months now...

    Fingers crossed that a Hail Mary pass can be delivered in two weeks.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Poor Hollywood execs, they just want their upteenth yacht and these writers wanna take that away from them.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Poor Hollywood execs, they just want their upteenth yacht and these writers wanna take that away from them.

    @MakeshiftPython 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Not to worry anyone, but this could be the only "announcement" or piece of news we recieve for the rest of 2023. :-<

    If they vote to strike, then everything shuts down and no meaningful progress can be made on the film until its resolved.

    IF it goes ahead, we can definitely kiss goodbye to a 2026 release date as a possibility. :-w
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Not to worry anyone, but this could be the only "announcement" or piece of news we recieve for the rest of 2023. :-<

    If they vote to strike, then everything shuts down and no meaningful progress can be made on the film until its resolved.

    IF it goes ahead, we can definitely kiss goodbye to a 2026 release date as a possibility. :-w

    Good thing we got 25 movies and a unlimited amount of books on James Bond. Should make the wait easier.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Not to worry anyone, but this could be the only "announcement" or piece of news we recieve for the rest of 2023. :-<

    If they vote to strike, then everything shuts down and no meaningful progress can be made on the film until its resolved.

    IF it goes ahead, we can definitely kiss goodbye to a 2026 release date as a possibility. :-w

    Good thing we got 25 movies and a unlimited amount of books on James Bond. Should make the wait easier.

    I like your thinking, sir.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Plus, 25 fantastic film scores, games, games' scores, and countless comics, etc.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Not to worry anyone, but this could be the only "announcement" or piece of news we recieve for the rest of 2023. :-<

    If they vote to strike, then everything shuts down and no meaningful progress can be made on the film until its resolved.

    IF it goes ahead, we can definitely kiss goodbye to a 2026 release date as a possibility. :-w

    Good thing we got 25 movies and a unlimited amount of books on James Bond. Should make the wait easier.

    I like your thinking, sir.

    Thank you.
    Plus, 25 fantastic film scores, games, games' scores, and countless comics, etc.

    I semi included those.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited April 2023 Posts: 682
    If we don't get some kind of announcement by 20 April, no Bond 26 until 2038 (at the earliest!)
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @George_Kaplan , agreed, 😂!!!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    If we don't get some kind of announcement by 20 April, no Bond 26 until 2038 (at the earliest!)

    Then I'm positively done with James Bond! And I'll be here every day between now and 2038 repeating why. ;-)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Not to worry anyone, but this could be the only "announcement" or piece of news we recieve for the rest of 2023. :-<

    If they vote to strike, then everything shuts down and no meaningful progress can be made on the film until its resolved.

    IF it goes ahead, we can definitely kiss goodbye to a 2026 release date as a possibility. :-w

    I see exactly what you’re doing with these constant doom and gloom posts. Your attempts to exaggerate how awful things are in order to drum up discontent with fans is getting really tiresome. Quit being such a Debbie Downer.

    “Not to worry anyone”, PLEASE.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I am, in fact, quite worried that the next James Bond movie might take more time to come out than anticipated. I had already planned every aspect of my life around a release date of no later than 2026. In fact, I'd already canceled a lot of things I was planning on doing in 2025 in order to have more time to sit at home, brimming with excitement, thinking about the upcoming film.

    Not to mention the plastic operations, voice lessons... what the hell am I going to do now?!

    Seems like my snarky phase continues.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I am, in fact, quite worried that the next James Bond movie might take more time to come out than anticipated. I had already planned every aspect of my life around a release date of no later than 2026. In fact, I'd already canceled a lot of things I was planning on doing in 2025 in order to have more time to sit at home, brimming with excitement, thinking about the upcoming film.

    Not to mention the plastic operations, voice lessons... what the hell am I going to do now?!

    Seems like my snarky phase continues.

    😂 😂 😂
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