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I agree. But there's nothing to indicate here that they were going for an analogy.
Logan Ash says that to amuse himself at the irony that, before, he was talking about being Bond's fan, and now he's about to cause his death.
From the point of view of plot and story, Ash might be redundant to some extent; I admit I haven't given it much thought. At any rate, that possibility doesn't imply he was intended to be analogy for anything.
@ColonelAdamski
No disrespect, but this is the kind of argument that rubs me the wrong way. In a barely covered-up way, you're saying that those who enjoy NTTD aren't "passionate about" quality literature, which reads like we do not "understand" quality literature (though that could just be my interpretation.)
Can't you simply admit that you don't like NTTD -- period -- without having to look for support outside yourself? Bluntly put, this is another instance where I feel like I'm some sort of idiot (for I am not passionate about quality literature) because I like NTTD.
Perhaps you recall this little exchange of ours from a few days ago, in answer to @peter's post:
Your recent post is more or less giving me the impression that, indeed, you think us stupid for liking NTTD. I really wish you'd just stop trying to find objective reasons why liking NTTD is beneath someone who [insert quality]. You seem to have no idea how insulting that can be.
And people who enjoy quality novels, (Fleming included) wouldn't put up with all that.
If that makes me a snob, okay. Fair enough, I'm happy to be a snob in that case.
Cheers!
You've made it clear that you won't put up with it (which is fine by the way), but how can you speak for others?
I enjoy quality novels, Fleming very much included. And I put up with all that.
I'm not saying you're a snob, I'm saying you're not making a lot of friends here this way. You just cannot go on presuming to know what other people think, or what they like or dislike.
Well, that doesn’t actually happen in the narrative of NTTD’s story, unless you actually interpret the end credits text as part of the story of NTTD. In which case… you do you.
You're completely right. I think most people here hate what I say most of the time.
Another poster here suggested:
That got some agreement. Others disagreed. But I'd also ask what was the intent for posting and repeating those sentiments and insulting comments?
I don't hate your opinion of the film. What I resent is that you're trying to lump those of us who enjoy NTTD in with the less intelligent subset. The problem is not what you're saying about the film, it's what you're saying about us. I don't really like Batman Returns, but when stating my reasons, I talk about the film; I never try to build a stronger case by saying things like "no one who enjoys Batman Returns is a true Batman fan" or "no one who enjoys Batman Returns gets Batman". That would be arrogant and above all wrong! People have all sorts of reasons for liking or disliking something, reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of literature they appreciate or with how smart they are or whatever. And you lectured me about my "manners" in another thread...
So tell me, @ColonelAdamski, what quality of literature do I and @peter and others here appreciate? I and Peter have gone on record saying that we like or even love NTTD (and what you so exaggeratingly reduce to alternate timeline bogus and whatnot). It'll be interesting to read your comments on our literary choices. I'll give you one for free: I adore Fleming, I have read Fleming's books at least 12 times since my teenage years long ago. So, what else can you surmise?
Can we leave it there please? Because for the first time since I've been here, you people are starting to annoy me more than I annoy you. Can you imagine that?
In addition, we're only a third into what is likely another 6 year gap IMO. Maybe more? That can certainly feel like an "eff you" to the fans as well.
Personally I feel NTTD was a middle finger to social media cynics who'd probably never seen a Bond film before, yet claim the series and character needs to change.
So we got a new 007 of a different gender and race. We got a family man Bond who slices apples rather than scrambling eggs. We got a Bond with a different occupation, working for the CIA rather than MI6. We got change, but the price was Bond's existence. Bond had to die in this one.
For my money there were enough classic Bondian elements in this film to satisfy me, plus an emotional drive.
What direction will the 007 series take after Daniel's helm? Where would Bond go after the Craig era?
And this is directed specifically at @slide_99 your constant posts about your dislike of NTTD, a film you admit you have not seen in full has got to the point of flogging a dead horse!
You can have issues with any film you like, that's your opinion. However using an asterix to hide swear words as you do, is not okay. Your obvious dislike for NTTD has nothing to do with where the next iteration of the character of James Bond will go after Daniel Craig, nor does your dislike of EON, and the way they handled NTTD.
So for the sake of everyone, please give it a rest in this thread, and in general. Thanks.
1. Do you guys think high end technology should be featured in the next Bond era? I know there are some in the Craig Era, but do you think that technology in the Bond films should move further than that?
2. About the Bond soundtracks, would you like it to be a Classical Orchestra like Barry?, or a techno vibe like what we've heard in the Brosnan Era (like that of David Arnold), what style you prefer?
3. About Title Sequences, what style do we want for the next Bond era? Back to the silhouettes like in the Classic Era? An animation like of that Casino Royale, or using realistic/CGI designs?
Let's talk about the technical aspects.....
One thing for me sure, I don't like the palette uniform like the Yellow Sepia filter in SPECTRE or the Dark Turquoise Bluish Green in No Time To Die, even Quantum of Solace had that Brownish palette in there because of the setting, perhaps?
What do you guys think?
1. Depends on the plot and storyline. I wouldn't mind some gadgets. I wouldn't go too trendy in the technology, as the film could date quickly.
2. Depends on the actor cast as Bond, IMO. I think the Bondian music should be tailored to his style, the way Barry altered the styles for George Lazenby and Roger Moore.
3. I want more beautiful ladies in the titles. Less CGI.
4. Technical aspects: As far as color timing, I'd like a return to a more naturalistic look, maybe similar to FYEO or TLD. I'm tired of digital color grading that makes Bond's face look either purple, green or the color of pee.
I'm not going to add any more fuel to this fire. I feel like a lit a match yesterday and came back to the forum today to see the aftermath explosion. 😲
I've said what I feel about NTTD, as have others on both sides. The debate is tired and worn. I just long for the day when we can start talking and debating about the next Bond film instead.
2-Contemporary music becomes dated quickly, whereas orchestrations tend to be timeless. My preference, a pop song blended with orchestration.
3-I'm glad the title sequences featuring scantily clad women twirling around gun barrels and whatever is over. From the Craig era, CR is my favorite. Not a fan of the mini film concept that has been used of late.
4-As for color, whatever complements the story.
5-No more old dog, sexist barbs aimed at Bond, which includes women whose role it is is to prove women are Bond's equal. A women can be everything Bond without being a mouthpiece and billboard for equality. Message received, a long time ago.
6-Finally, wit not silliness.
2. Agree with CrabKey - where music's concerned, go for the timeless over the contemporary.
3. I think they've been on the right track with the title sequences for a long time now.
4. Again, agree with CrabKey about using whatever colour/filter/etc suits or enhances the mood and the settings.
5. Yes, the 'Bond's equal' trope got tired decades ago. IMO, obvs. It's not even an issue any more, is it? Look what Paloma did with three weeks training... ;)
6. Dark, deadpan, dry humour and wry wit over lame gags, every time.
The Spy Who Loved Me, the story at the motel shootout would really work as an introduction for the new Bond actor.
The only problem is aren't EON forbidden from adapting any of that story? I know they had to get permission to use the title
Ian Fleming has been long dead, maybe they could use it now, and are there any legal files that states the prohibition of using it? If my memory serves, it's only through oral agreement.
You had me...right until you mentioned the wrong actor... ;)