Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Roger toilet scene:

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  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    At this point any sex scene is welcome.

    Drax: Are we talking about real life... or movies?
    DEKE_RIVERS: Both, Mr. Drax.

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    Deke would definitely have accepted a cucumber sandwich from Hugo.

    :))
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Roger toilet scene:

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    :))

    That Rog really tied the room together. And this guy peed on him.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Roger toilet scene:

    Hwnr08.gif

    :))

    That Rog really tied the room together. And this guy peed on him.

    @mattjoes you’re out of your element! 😜
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    talos7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    I'm someone who likes it when Bond pretty much stays in one location and the story explores what it has to offer. I dislike the travelogue style of jumping from one place to another.

    I’m the opposite; a great deal of my enjoyment from these films comes from seeing various parts of the world.

    Now, with that said, I don’t want to see globe hopping just for the sake of beautiful, interesting locations; I want it to serve the plot.

    I think the magic formula might be somewhere in the middle.

    PTS: one location
    First Act: London and new location
    Second Act: another new location
    Third Act: hopefully where the first or second act mostly took place.

    just my opinion. Too much hopping starts to feel like a disservice and distraction from the plot.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    I'm someone who likes it when Bond pretty much stays in one location and the story explores what it has to offer. I dislike the travelogue style of jumping from one place to another.

    I’m the opposite; a great deal of my enjoyment from these films comes from seeing various parts of the world.

    Now, with that said, I don’t want to see globe hopping just for the sake of beautiful, interesting locations; I want it to serve the plot.

    I think the magic formula might be somewhere in the middle.

    PTS: one location
    First Act: London and new location
    Second Act: another new location
    Third Act: hopefully where the first or second act mostly took place.

    just my opinion. Too much hopping starts to feel like a disservice and distraction from the plot.

    Some of my favorite bits of music are those used for going from one locale to another;
    " Welcome to Miami Beach", from Goldfinger and "Shanghai" from Skyfall come to mind.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Roger toilet scene:

    Hwnr08.gif

    :))

    That Rog really tied the room together. And this guy peed on him.

    @mattjoes you’re out of your element! 😜

    The Bonds will always lose!
    The Bonds will always lose!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    talos7 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    I'm someone who likes it when Bond pretty much stays in one location and the story explores what it has to offer. I dislike the travelogue style of jumping from one place to another.

    I’m the opposite; a great deal of my enjoyment from these films comes from seeing various parts of the world.

    Now, with that said, I don’t want to see globe hopping just for the sake of beautiful, interesting locations; I want it to serve the plot.

    I think the magic formula might be somewhere in the middle.

    PTS: one location
    First Act: London and new location
    Second Act: another new location
    Third Act: hopefully where the first or second act mostly took place.

    just my opinion. Too much hopping starts to feel like a disservice and distraction from the plot.

    Some of my favorite bits of music are those used for going from one locale to another;
    " Welcome to Miami Beach", from Goldfinger and "Shanghai" from Skyfall come to mind.

    One of my favourite bits is Brosnan sneaking around in elliot carvers headquarters. Arnold did a very good job modernising the bond sound there.
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    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    Your working partner and star lead has quit after 20 years and billions of dollars and a ton of hard work. I could see why it's not so easy shopping for a replacement, and may not feel good to even start right now, for what's ultimately a very intimate endeavor. The people who make Bond movies are not the same people who watch or see Bond movies per se, and likely view it as labor. If you don't need money, labor gets harder to do.

    I met Chris Corbould last year. Guy doesn't want to do another Bond movie, it's clear. So we have some retirements beyond Craig to consider as well.

    For all we know they are putting movie effort into the video game right now, which should be in an intense phase of its development now.

    Working off the "hunger breeds labor" logic a bit, I'd expect movement by end of next year. Why? They've had a few years of floating the books off the Amazon show, NTTD sales, and after-sales. Pretty soon those wells will dry up and, on paper, the business will likely want to look like it has something coming up sooner than later.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I'd say because they're tighter mysteries set mostly in a single location and with far smaller budgets, unlike Bond.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I met Chris Corbould last year. Guy doesn't want to do another Bond movie, it's clear. So we have some retirements beyond Craig to consider as well.

    Another good point people fail to consider — the generational shift happening behind the scenes.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I'd say because they're tighter mysteries set mostly in a single location and with far smaller budgets, unlike Bond.

    They somehow made 8 Harry Potter films in 10 years, I don't think the size of production is the problem.
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I met Chris Corbould last year. Guy doesn't want to do another Bond movie, it's clear. So we have some retirements beyond Craig to consider as well.

    Another good point people fail to consider — the generational shift happening behind the scenes.

    Yeah but a movie is just a movie. How long does it take to hire people?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I'd say because they're tighter mysteries set mostly in a single location and with far smaller budgets, unlike Bond.

    They somehow made 8 Harry Potter films in 10 years, I don't think the size of production is the problem.

    A cohesive adaptation of a fully completed series like Harry Potter isn't remotely similar to the Bond franchise exiting one era and beginning another, in a time where we're no longer in the phase of continuous standalone installments. I get the frustration and I want some movement on this front too but using decades-old examples won't change the reality of the situation.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited June 4 Posts: 1,676
    BMB007 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I met Chris Corbould last year. Guy doesn't want to do another Bond movie, it's clear. So we have some retirements beyond Craig to consider as well.

    Another good point people fail to consider — the generational shift happening behind the scenes.

    Yeah but a movie is just a movie. How long does it take to hire people?

    Probably awhile, again, if there's uncertainty or emotion or disinterest or fear. Both Bond 25/NTTD directors sort of burned the Eon team, Corbould wants to do his own projects, and I wonder where MGW is in approaching retirement, but that's been the case for.. years, so who knows. The magic of the Bond team is things happen when they get going, they just don't want to get going.

    I almost expect another documentary through Amazon somehow before a full movie. What would the next documentary be?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I met Chris Corbould last year. Guy doesn't want to do another Bond movie, it's clear. So we have some retirements beyond Craig to consider as well.

    Another good point people fail to consider — the generational shift happening behind the scenes.

    Yeah but a movie is just a movie. How long does it take to hire people?

    And a chair is still a chair.

  • Posts: 573
    BMB007 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I met Chris Corbould last year. Guy doesn't want to do another Bond movie, it's clear. So we have some retirements beyond Craig to consider as well.

    Another good point people fail to consider — the generational shift happening behind the scenes.

    Yeah but a movie is just a movie. How long does it take to hire people?

    Again: Amazon finished integrating MGM late last year. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    BMB007 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I met Chris Corbould last year. Guy doesn't want to do another Bond movie, it's clear. So we have some retirements beyond Craig to consider as well.

    Another good point people fail to consider — the generational shift happening behind the scenes.

    Yeah but a movie is just a movie. How long does it take to hire people?

    Probably awhile, again, if there's uncertainty or emotion or disinterest or fear. Both Bond 25/NTTD directors sort of burned the Eon team, Corbould wants to do his own projects, and I wonder where MGW is in approaching retirement, but that's been the case for.. years, so who knows. The magic of the Bond team is things happen when they get going, they just don't want to get going.

    I almost expect another documentary through Amazon somehow before a full movie. What would the next documentary be?

    I think Barbara will guide it for a bit while longer. MGW might help pick the next Bond actor, akin to Cubby with Pierce. I think Gregg will take over with his aunt one day. Remember, even Richard Maibaum technically retired before he died, as the Bond 17 scripts were written without him. So honestly, Bond is just adjusting as needed. He will return.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    That's also why I'm so pleased with the other locations. L' Américain -- a seemingly desolated hotel -- and the desert emphasise the introversion both she and Bond have embraced.
    Yes! The train goes on without them, like life, and they find themselves in a desolate waste, waiting in an abandoned and empty building - and even there, they stand apart, showing their individual personal isolation. No coincidence that the model of the Rolls Royce sent by someone from both their pasts is a 'wraith' either. Great examples of how Bond locations aren't just an excuse for a travelogue.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I'd say because they're tighter mysteries set mostly in a single location and with far smaller budgets, unlike Bond.

    They somehow made 8 Harry Potter films in 10 years, I don't think the size of production is the problem.

    But only two or three of those stood out like a Bond film does.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I'd say because they're tighter mysteries set mostly in a single location and with far smaller budgets, unlike Bond.

    They somehow made 8 Harry Potter films in 10 years, I don't think the size of production is the problem.

    But only two or three of those stood out like a Bond film does.

    I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks that about Harry Potter.
  • edited June 5 Posts: 4,310
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I'd say because they're tighter mysteries set mostly in a single location and with far smaller budgets, unlike Bond.

    They somehow made 8 Harry Potter films in 10 years, I don't think the size of production is the problem.

    But only two or three of those stood out like a Bond film does.

    I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks that about Harry Potter.

    Agreed. Not a fan of the books either, but the films lose me by the third really (the first three I quite like).

    And it's worth noting they were against the clock with their lead actors noticeably aging out. And they had books to adapt which helps speed things up (and from what I do know they didn't particularly adapt all the rubbish in them very well. I certainly don't understand chunks of the last few films, and I seem to constantly speak with people about them who answer my questions by referencing relatively vital plot points from the books that weren't included fully for some reason).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    How is it that they are doing another "Knives Out" film, which have always maintained a high standard of quality, and here we are without even an ounce of progress on 26? At least Craig is keeping busy.

    I'd say because they're tighter mysteries set mostly in a single location and with far smaller budgets, unlike Bond.

    They somehow made 8 Harry Potter films in 10 years, I don't think the size of production is the problem.

    But only two or three of those stood out like a Bond film does.

    I dunno, the last few bond films haven't "stood out", except in the wrong sense.

    As an aside I think the Potter films are quite consistently enjoyable, although they do tail off after the half way point, and the magic aspects of the world become mundane.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I dunno, the last few bond films haven't "stood out", except in the wrong sense.

    To you.

    And your obsession continues…. I can wait for a new Bond film for as long as it takes, but the one thing I hope I’ll see is you finally participating in fresh conversations. As of now, you’re on a manic hamster wheel.

    Try and get off of it.

    You’ll sleep better.
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    Other than CR and the introduction of Craig, the rest of his era was filled with way too many missteps. I'm looking forward to the refresh.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Other than CR and the introduction of Craig, the rest of his era was filled with way too many missteps. I'm looking forward to the refresh.

    Who isn't?? I am looking forward to it so I can hear fresh gripes about the missteps "Babs" is making with the new era, 😂!

    But, on the plus side, you participate in other discussions other than this one topic, so I'm personally thankful for that.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Other than CR and the introduction of Craig, the rest of his era was filled with way too many missteps. I'm looking forward to the refresh.

    You're probably right (at least I agree that there were missteps, although not to the extent that I think CR is Craig's only great Bond movie... in fact I don't even think it's his best).

    But then again every Bond era has missteps in hindsight, especially to us fans. Including Connery's (some we've even discussed here potentially coming as early as DN). We'll certainly see something go awry creatively (and again with the benefit of hindsight) in the next era too. But yeah, it'll be nice for a refresh.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Is there a perfect film? If so, I haven't found it.

    I personally love most of the Craig Era, but I have been critical of choices that didn't mesh with my tastes. But on the whole, it did its job: brought in new fans, globally were hits which indicates the vast majority enjoyed these films. It made buckets of cash which means the health of the series is strong and guarantees we will get a next era-- in of itself, pretty incredible to think after 60 plus years of these films, we are getting another ten years or so of adventures...
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    peter wrote: »

    Is there a perfect film? If so, I haven't found it.

    I personally love most of the Craig Era, but I have been critical of choices that didn't mesh with my tastes. But on the whole, it did its job: brought in new fans, globally were hits which indicates the vast majority enjoyed these films. It made buckets of cash which means the health of the series is strong and guarantees we will get a next era-- in of itself, pretty incredible to think after 60 plus years of these films, we are getting another ten years or so of adventures...
    Each actor’s era has had positive and negative aspects - I cannot imagine that anyone could honestly say there is a perfect Bond movie. We have a habit of ignoring / overlooking negative aspects of what we like.

    I am looking forward to the next era, in the hope that it’s a direction shift from Craig but I can only look back on Craig’s movies and say that they were a welcome and needed shift from the late-Brosnan era.

    As an old git, I find that my issues with particular movies become lesser with repeated viewings (particularly having reflected on the views of others).

    I am glad that we have CR, QOS and SF - maybe I’ll grow to warm to SP and NTTD over time and maybe I won’t but I find it bizarre that over 40 years in, we had an actor that brought something so fresh to the table as Craig.

    Personally, I don’t want to see a half-cocked attempt at emulating any of the previous actors or their interpretations of the character and I cannot imagine EON would oversee that for the next era.

    The missteps are a concern, for sure, but here’s hoping there has been some degree of reflection.
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