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TWINE on the other hand I thought was great and I still really like it, fair enough a lot of what it did/attempted to do has been done better by the Craig Bond films but it still holds up well and I think it doesn't get the credit it deserves for fleshing out Bond's character. Great action too, plenty of really entertaining setpieces. I think TWINE is the prototype for the Craig era in many ways. The problem is it's just that: a prototype. They weren't quite there yet, so it's flawed and is a bit melodramatic at times. I still think it's really good though. One of my favourites, top ten for sure.
Or the lovely use of Bond theme? :P
Something I forgot to add about the positive stuff in TND is that I really like Carver. He's not really an amazing villain but Pryce seems to be having a lot of fun playing the OTT panto bad guy and he has some great lines.
If someone has such a hate for an actor and his movies it won't change much to re-watch it, the mind is set up with prejudice, that cannot be overcome.
Then it's better let them be with their opinion. As long as they don't want to impose their hate for it on you of course, which for some, is rather difficult it seems (not talking about anyone in particular).
As for LTK, wow...you and I have the same story (almost). When I saw it in 1989 as a teen I hated it too, especially after TLD which was a life-changing experience for me.
Later ca. 1999 I was able to re-watch it again without getting all emotional about it, being an adult I could cope with the brutality of the movie. Especially the Felix story had me shaken quite a bit back in 1989. But I still didn't really like it in 1999.
After 2002 I started to do the Bondathons every two to three years. LTK is the one movie that has climbed up the latter of my Bond ranking with each viewing.
Today it is at No 8 imagine that! Only last year I had it at No 12.
There is one other Bond movie that I have changed my opinion about that drastically.
Thunderball. But the other way around. For a long time that one was in my Top 5.
Nowadays I have it at No 17.
You must've been tired. Bond never goes to China.
Even as a Dalton fan, I did not immediately like LTK. But I now quite like it. I see it as more traditional than I originally thought.
I feel the same about TB as u well. When I first saw it I was blown away by the underwater battle. Now it sends me to sleep. It has great characters and scenes but overall I actually prefer DAF.
Oh and for the record (just incase your comments were aimed at me) I don't hate Brosnan. I was really massively disappointed by his performance in GE but not long after I saw him in the Taylor of Panama and thought "wow, is this actually the same actor"?
I don't know how to explain Brosnan's performance as Bond, and clearly I'm not the only one these days who raises doubts about his 'take'. Even @BAIN123 seems to have fallen out of love with it a bit- just clinging onto childhood memories of GE.
My conclusion is that what I regard as his failure is down to nerves (he was overwhelmed by the pressure and the legacy of Moore and Connery), a certain amount of complacency (he blamed the scripts for having no characterisation but then never bothered reading the novels) and finally a lack of a good director to knock him into shape.
Ha ha. I was joking. I knew you knew.
I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I meant you. I really didn't.
What you and others said about Brosnan got me thinking, that's why I made that statement.
I totally respect your views.
Your comment about TB:
"When I first saw it I was blown away by the underwater battle. Now it sends me to sleep."
=)) I had to laugh out loud, and it is so true!!
"Lackadaisical and smug"
"Rewatching the films, even Brosnan fans must surely accept that he was never the new Connery, but rather a sort-of strangely flat Roger Moore – without even the charm, screen presence and natural gift for comedy that old raised eyebrow delivered in spades."
http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/apr/14/james-bond-pierce-brosnan-007-goldeneye
Brosnan was too in love with the fact he was Bond to truly portray the role in an authentic way. Not all the problems with his run were/are his. He had a different director each film, poor scripts that relied too much on Bond formula and action cliches, and a production behind him that played it too safe. But at the end of the day he was simply too excited to be Bond he forgot to act well, if he even could have. Based on the films he has done since I suspect he must have a good script/director or he is not good.
After almost getting the role in '86 he built it up in his mind for nearly a decade and the pressure was too much. He came off as smarmy at times, arrogant and had this look on his face that said, "Hey, I'm Bond! Look at me!" It was all superficial and thin. Again, not all his fault since the scripts were the same, thin and shallow.
Still, there are some entertaining elements and a breeziness to the films that's enjoyable to his era and I feel bad Brosnan says he never nailed it. At least he's honest about it. =P~
I own the Miami Vice sets too and the show is better written, visually original and the lead characters have more charisma.
LTK was Miami Vice light, a compromise on a Chinese drugs tale which would have made the movie more interesting than the South America link which had been done to death by the Miami Vice. Nice to see the warehouse scene from LALD. Dalton lacked the leadingmans skill to carry the movie and the story is easily one of the poorest in the whole franchise.
To use a rock analogy - Brosnan is Coldplay, Dalton for instance was more Pink Floyd....
As I've said elsewhere, now it's a top 10 Bond film for me, but at the time, I thought it was just drab (I was just hitting my teens then though). Funny how one's opinion can change with time. LTK is like fine wine.
I agree on Brosnan being the man for the time in 1995. However, I think, despite his popularity in the US in particular, that his moment actually passed shortly after GE, which is why that film is his most highly rated by many.