What are your b&w / Film Noir / Suspense / Mystery films of the 30s to 60s

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    Dead Men Don t Wear Plaid with Steve Martin. Fantastic movie.
    Great movie, have it on DVD. Another Carl Reiner film called Fatal Instinct which homages that era is hilarious. Starring Armand Assante, Sherilyn Fenn and Sean Young, I have this film also underrated IMO.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I'm continuing my Charlie Chan Marathon, last year I watched half of them all in random order.

    Any fans out there?
    Almost all of them are luckily available on DVD, some of the first ones are sadly lost.
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    Love Charlie Chan, got a few boxsets myself.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Anything with Bogart of course. :)

    Anything that Hitchcock did in the 1940's and 1950's



  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    SUNSET BOULEVARD 1950

    After I watched All About Eve, 1950 the other day I wanted to watch the other masterpiece of the same year.

    Gloria Swanson is simply breathtakingly fantastic in Sunset Boulevard.

    A hack screenwriter (a very good looking William Holden) writes a screenplay for a former silent-film star (Gloria Swanson) who has faded into Hollywood obscurity.

    She lives in a huge 20's or 30's estate which is quite in a bad state except for the main living quarters where Norma Desmond and her butler, Max von Meyerling live.
    Norma, around 50 years old, still believes she is loved by millions and the biggest star alive. She is a recluse of sorts and only seldom goes outside, probably because she knows reality may set in then. She is not completely delusional but holds on to her dream to make another film with Cecile B. DeMille, one of the biggest ever producers/directors of Hollywood.
    When screenwriter Joe Gillis' car breaks down in front of her estate his life makes a turn for the (seemingly) better.

    Cecile B. DeMille plays himself in Sunset Boulevard and some other elderly movie stars of the past play themselves as well like Hedda Hopper and Buster Keaton, which gives the movie an almost eerily realistic touch.

    Actually it is hard to describe this film. If you have not seen it, just believe me, that it is one of the best movies ever made. It's not a comedy, but almost, it's not a thriller, but almost, it's not a horror movie but almost. It's not a love story, but almost.

    Billy Wilder outdid himself here and while he made a number of other masterpieces after Sunset Boulevard I think this was his best movie.

    Norma Desmond is captivating and eery. Gloria Swanson's performance is equal to Bette Davis in All About Eve, both were nominated for best actress, and both lost. With Anne Baxter also being nominated for best actress (All About Eve), 1950 saw the best threesome of best female performances ever in cinematic history. I'm not even sure such three riveting performances in the same year have ever been seen again.

    Sunset Boulevard is a must see if there ever has been one.

    It's beautifully restored and remastered in High Definition.
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 16,167
    I'm continuing my Charlie Chan Marathon, last year I watched half of them all in random order.


    Any fans out there?
    Almost all of them are luckily available on DVD, some of the first ones are sadly lost.

    I love these films. I watched a ton of them last year. They're a lot of fun. I really liked THE BLACK CAMEL with Bela Lugosi, CHARLIE CHAN AT TREASURE ISLAND, DEAD MEN TELL with a pre-Superman George Reeves, THE SCARLET CLUE and pretty much all the Monogram films.
    Warner Oland has a much warmer personality, and actually is far more convincing under the makeup, but I love Sidney Toler's smartass take on the character. His rapport with Benson Fong and Mantan is priceless. Also, the Chan Monogram films seems to look slightly higher quality than other films from that time made by the studio.
    I've only watched a couple of the Roland Winters Chans so far, I'll eventually catch up on him.

    To chime in on this topic as a fan of noir I'll add a few of my favorites:

    THE MALTESE FALCON-with Bogie
    THE BIG SLEEP- Bogie as Philip Marlowe
    MURDER MY SWEET- Dick Powell as Marlowe
    ROAD HOUSE -Ida Lupino, Cornel Wilde and crazy Richard Widmark in a love triangle
    RAW DEAL- Dennis O'keefe, Claire Trevor, and Raymond Burr in a heist/revenge noir. Excellent!!
    IN A LONELY PLACE- Bogie as a Hollywood screenwriter, and boyfriend of Gloria Grahame. He's under the microscope in a murder investigation.
    DARK PASSAGE- Bogie and Bacall in San Francisco- noir about a convict escaped from prison for killing his wife seeks the real killer. A bit like The Fugitive.
    OUT OF THE PAST- Robert Mitchum, Kirk Douglas, Jane Greer love traingle-Mitch is great as a detective hiding out.
    HIS KIND OF WOMAN- Mitchum, Jane Russell, Vincent Price and Raymond Burr. Price steals the film.
    MY GUN IS QUICK- Mike Hammer (Robert Bray) helps a prostitute get off the streets and flips his lid when she is murdered. Underrated B film.
    KISS ME DEADLY - the more famous Mike Hammer film- Ralph Meeker plays the private eye tracking down killers and a nuclear box.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    Great idea for a thread. TBH though I'm struggling to see where many of the films mentioned earlier on fit into the Film Noir genre.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    stag wrote: »
    Great idea for a thread. TBH though I'm struggling to see where many of the films mentioned earlier on fit into the Film Noir genre.

    The Film Noir topic only starts on page 2. Page 1 was favourite films of 70s, 00s and other decades.
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    stag wrote: »
    Great idea for a thread. TBH though I'm struggling to see where many of the films mentioned earlier on fit into the Film Noir genre.
    Interesting thing about noir is it often defies definition. I know a guy who flatly refuses to call The Maltese Falcon a noir reasoning it was a studio bound Warner Bros detective mystery, and he felt noir as a style didn't come into it's own until Double Indemnity. A lot of noirs were filmed on location and occurred after WW2 ended so I can see his point there. It's pretty open to opinion.

  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    Crossfire
    The Big Sleep
    Detour
    Out of the Past
    In a Lonely Place
    Double Indemnity
    Rififi
    The Killing
    The postman always rings twice
    The Third Man

    And if you want to go for suspense - The Wages of Fear - is amazing.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    DOUBLE INDEMNITY

    Another great Film Noir classic. Early movie of Billy Wilder (1944) showing already what a great director and screenplay writer he is.

    Barbara Stanwyck stealing every scene she's in.

    The male lead let's himself lure into a murder/insurance fraud scheme. While it is clear from the beginning that it will lead to the demise of the main characters it's still fascinating to watch them go down the road to certain failure and doom.

    Highly recommended.
  • DOUBLE INDEMNITY

    Another great Film Noir classic. Early movie of Billy Wilder (1944) showing already what a great director and screenplay writer he is.

    Barbara Stanwyck stealing every scene she's in.

    The male lead let's himself lure into a murder/insurance fraud scheme. While it is clear from the beginning that it will lead to the demise of the main characters it's still fascinating to watch them go down the road to certain failure and doom.

    Highly recommended.

    Your on a great streak.

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    DOUBLE INDEMNITY

    Another great Film Noir classic. Early movie of Billy Wilder (1944) showing already what a great director and screenplay writer he is.

    Barbara Stanwyck stealing every scene she's in.

    The male lead let's himself lure into a murder/insurance fraud scheme. While it is clear from the beginning that it will lead to the demise of the main characters it's still fascinating to watch them go down the road to certain failure and doom.

    Highly recommended.

    Excellent noir.
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 1,469
    BondJasonBond006, I like what you wrote about Sunset Boulevard. Because of its themes, and because it's so well-made, I almost have to watch it whenever it comes on TV. I find it fascinating...slowly claustrophobic...about decay of the world and decay of the soul, of lust for money and clutching at fleeting fame. Slowly Joe Gillis gets caught in the web Norma Desmond has spun, and I think, "why, why can't he break away"! I could relate a little, because when I was younger, I had a 3-year relationship with a woman who was 18 years older than I was. And I loved reading about how the filmmakers got that stunning shot as if the camera was at the bottom of the pool looking up.

    My film noir faves are the same as many others have mentioned: The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, Casablanca, This Gun For Hire, Kiss Me Deadly, Out Of The Past. And I second ToTheRight about Murder My Sweet with Dick Powell. I think Murder My Sweet has slightly less of a serious tone than Maltese Falcon has, but it really moves along, with fun snappy dialogue; interesting and creepy characters; film noir effects; Powell is great as Marlowe; and he provides an excellent "detective narration" in parts of the film. I also rate highly, from later decades, Chinatown and L.A. Confidential, and though not film noir, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy with Alec Guinness and his Smiley's People (both nice long miniseries to sink your teeth into).
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    The Killing (1956) is my favorite; no doubt Kubrick's brilliant direction plays a big part of that.
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 12,473
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Great Noir, Great Kubrick, Great Cast!

    Yes. Pure brilliance; I just never tire of it. Kubrick just nails it every time; Dr. Strangelove is possibly my favorite comedy (Top 5 at least), The Shining is my favorite horror, Barry Lyndon is quite possibly my favorite 1700s period piece, and The Killing is my favorite noir. Kubrick = King.
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    @Birdleson, I saw Chinatown for the first time a while back and now it's always on my mind. Thought the sequel The Two Jakes was interesting enough, but the first is just so amazing in so many ways that it's hard to compare it to anything else (for the sake of what you're comparing it against).

    The iconic image of Gittes' with his slashed up nose, the gorgeous Faye Dunaway, and of course, that finale that is absolutely unforgettable in every sense of the word, and probably the greatest noir conclusion that is emphatically true to the genre I can readily think of. That film takes you on such a crazy ride, and cares not for your emotions or how upset you get as you go. Rarely have I been so exhausted by the end of a movie, and angry at the characters as if they were real people.

    It's easy to see why it's considered the best screenplay as well. So many quotable lines, great character dialogue/interactions, shocks and awes, twists and turns.

    My personal favorite happens when Gittes is asked if his nose wound hurts, to which he simply says, "Only when I breathe," with that sly grin of his.

    I would without question put Gittes right up there with the likes of the legendary Spade and Marlowe, especially because as far as noir detectives go, he has a very fresh arc and isn't a carbon copy of those figures like so many in the genre can be at times.
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    I do love Chinatown. I think many would agree it's one of the best movies ever; probably in my Top 50. Pure, cinematic brilliance.
  • Chinatown is great, i've yet to rewatch it though.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    CHINATOWN is perfect in that it is the only film not of that period that (regardless of being in color) feels as though it is of that period. Others, such as LA CONFIDENTIAL and a few of the Coen Brothers', films don't work for me because they are laboriously a pastiche of true Film Noir. Far too self-conscious. Polanski's CHINATOWN (one of the great films, period) works as a genuine noir film, and that is the only post 1962 film I would say that about.

    MURDER MY SWEET is a wonderful film. In 1954 Powell reprised the role of Phillip Marlowe in the first installment of the television anthology program CLIMAX!, in an adaptation of THE LONG GOODBYE . I have looked everywhere, apparently the tape (it was live television) was not preserved. The third episode was an adaptation of CASINO ROYALE, we are so lucky that it is one of the very few episodes that are still in existence. I am waiting for a restoration.

    Chinatown - sublime Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack too.
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    Chinatown is classic neo noir!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    DON'T BOTHER TO KNOCK 1952


    A gripping movie, short at 70 minutes but it's enough to make a lasting impression.

    Marilyn Monroe is shining here as a deeply troubled, disturbed young woman with a traumatic past.
    The whole movie plays in a hotel, mainly in one room No 809.
    Richard Widmark and a very young Anne Bancroft are the other two leads in this film

    While the film begins slow and harmless, tension builds up after 30 minutes when it becomes clear, Monroe's character isn't as harmless as she first appears.

    Personally I always love Monroe's more dramatic movies better than the comedic, which only means I LOVE LOVE LOVE her earnest roles and LOVE LOVE her other roles...

    Niagara and Don't Bother To Knock are favourites of mine. It'd be hard enough to rank her movies but those two would be somewhere at the top.

    If you happen to be interested in Marilyn Monroe and/or Film Noir movies this is a must see in my opinion.

    Again, beautifully restored picture quality.


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    @BondJasonBond006- I love DON'T BOTHER TO KNOCK as well. One of my favorite Marilyn films- excellent performance as a troubled widow. Also Widmark is superb as the pilot. Great character work in only a 70 minute film. Elisha Cook Jr is always great, and the film had some cool atmosphere.
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 1,469
    vzok wrote: »
    Chinatown - sublime Jerry Goldsmith soundtrack too.
    I agree totally. I like how abstract it is in parts, like when Gittes investigates the scene of the drunk's death under the Hollenbeck Bridge. Just read a quote from the guy who played trumpet on the soundtrack, Uan Rasey, who says Goldsmith “told me to play it sexy — but like it’s not good sex!”
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    THE BIG HEAT

    One of the films I got on Blu-ray earlier this year thanks to the many recommendations in this thread.

    Yes, it's true, I had never seen this film before, somehow it always escaped my TV.
    And now I have seen it for the first time ever.

    I knew before it's considered one of the great Film Noir, but I didn't know it's actually one of the best.

    The direction and editing is great. Every scene matters, none are too short or too long, everything is just as it should be.

    The performances are fantastic. Glenn Ford as the cop determined to put down the corruption and evil forces in his town. His commitment is so strong he willingly endangers every female in this film, and they all die!
    What a fascinating character he plays.

    Also is this the birth of the Revenge Movie?

    The female lead Gloria Grahame gives a Oscar worthy performance as the mobsters girlfriend. Her many scenes are worth watching this film alone.

    And then there is a very young Lee Marvin which I have never seen playing a more evil thug.

    Also this film is shockingly violent. Considering it is from 1953. You don't get to see the actual violence, but you hear it and therefore imagine it. As I said director Lang did a fantastic job there.

    One thing I can promise you. I will never again go near a boiling coffeepot!!!!!

    It's quite possible I will watch this film again tomorrow. I have to see it a second time fast. It's quite overwhelming in its relentless pace, violence and captivating performances.
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    @BondJasonBond006- what a great noir- THE BIG HEAT. It's so intense it's almost hard to watch. I've only seen it twice and each time was pretty shocking. I definitely need to add this one to my DVD library.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    CAPE FEAR (1962) would be my favourite film noir, as well as one of my favourite films in general.

    Peck is his reliable everyman self, and Mitchum is a force of nature. Terrifying. De Niro did a good job in the remake but for me the original is a lean, mean, effective black and white machine.
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    Mitchum is very creepy in the original. I haven't seen the remake, though. I should watch it sometime.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I remember when the Scorsese version came out in 1991, one reviewer wrote (I wish that I could recall who) that DeNiro looked frightening enough, but one got the sense that the Mitchum version would have chewed him up and spit him out.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Mitchum is very creepy in the original. I haven't seen the remake, though. I should watch it sometime.

    I remember, as a kid in college, sitting down and seeing this film for the first time and thinking it was going to be a boring curriculum piece. How wrong I was. I rewatched it at home that same night and have regularly rewatched it since. Stunning.

    The remake was an effective chiller but as you say, Mitchum had an almost supernatural quality to his determination which made him really unstoppable. De Niro came close; he amped up the campy unhinged nature of his beast, but he lacked that something. The fact that Scorcese chose to alter the fate of his version of the character is another criticism I have of it.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    Of course he was amazing in The Night of the Hunter. Another great, visually arresting noir.
    robert-mitchum-night-of-the-hunter.jpg
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