Will Spectre end up being to SF what Thunderball was to GF..?

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The problem with TSWLM is Barbara Bach, and whatever drama being squandered by her wooden acting. With a better actress I might have rated the film much higher. Though Lois Chiles isn't a stellar actress, the story never demands much from her like TSWLM did so it plays much easier in MR.

    I prefer GF over TB. The latter is just too longwinded and not as fun. GF has its problems. but Guy Hamilton at least knew how to play up a farce. When Young tries imitating that formula it's not as effective. He was much more in his element when doing straight up espionage adventures like FRWL.
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    For me SP is more like DAF, it felt nice to see his face again in his 007 persona and the movies both have their great moments but in end it would not have mattered had they never been made as they add only frustration.
    That Said I rate an bored Connery over Craig every day of the week and Sunday thrice. ;)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    For me SP is more like DAF, it felt nice to see his face again in his 007 persona and the movies both have their great moments but in end it would not have mattered had they never been made as they add only frustration.
    That Said I rate an bored Connery over Craig every day of the week and Sunday thrice. ;)

    I resent that. Connery was much more engaged in DAF than people seem to give credit. If you want a bored Connery performance, look no further than YOLT.
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    To me Connery looked like he was having a blast and enjoying himself in DAF,even in the behind the scene photos etc.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I agree that TSWLM is too slow paced, especially in the second half during the finale.


    To add to the SP discussion, I too find the film difficult to pay attention to during. Not that it is particularly complicated, but from me there is just nothing which pulls you into the story, or keeps you hooked. It's just action scenes, which while serviceable, don't really tlstsnd out or help tell the story. There is also very little or no narrative tension, anyone can pretty much guess that Waltz is Blofeld, and after that the only surprise in the plot is that they are brothers, which doesn't actually have any impact on anything, as they treat each just like they always have. Bond takes him out in easy fashion anyway, so what was the point of then knowing each other exactly? The plot itself is extremely bare bones, with only mentions back to it verify made by the characters. I can't believe they spent so much on a film with so little of actual consequence going on. Whatever threat there is, always seems ethereal or in the back ground, and this causes me to check out very easily. Indeed, it's something of a challenge to stay 100 Percent engaged from start to finish.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    To me Connery looked like he was having a blast and enjoying himself in DAF,even in the behind the scene photos etc.

    Agree. He doesn't looked bored in these, that's for sure!
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    Once they come back to London then that's me done...
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Once they come back to London then that's me done...

    You don't care to listen to "the Moors" for half an hour on a loop?
  • edited July 2018 Posts: 17,756
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Once they come back to London then that's me done...

    You don't care to listen to "the Moors" for half an hour on a loop?

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    Just the thought of that…
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Connery wasn't bored in DAF. It was Bond who was bored. To our amusement.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think the belief that he was bored in DAF had to do with his visible weight gain. It gives one the implication that he didn't care enough to try to get back in shape for the role, when the truth was that he didn't have enough time to be able to as he was only brought on at the last minute.
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    How last minute was it actually? Has it ever been mentioned somewhere?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    How last minute was it actually? Has it ever been mentioned somewhere?

    I'm currently reading the OHMSS chapter in Some Kind of Hero, I'm sure the DAF chapter mentions at what point Connery was brought on.
  • edited July 2018 Posts: 17,756
    Walecs wrote: »
    How last minute was it actually? Has it ever been mentioned somewhere?

    I'm currently reading the OHMSS chapter in Some Kind of Hero, I'm sure the DAF chapter mentions at what point Connery was brought on.

    Interesting! Hope the book provides some information on this. The DAF production is interesting enough in itself, with Lazenby not returning, the other names considered, etc.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Isn't all that stuff well documented in other books, the Inside documentaries and so forth?
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Isn't all that stuff well documented in other books, the Inside documentaries and so forth?

    Perhaps, but Some Kind of Hero is the best and most authoritative history of the Bond films so far.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @Revelator

    Interesting, I always thought that was JAMES BOND: THE LEGACY. Can you definitively say that isn't so, because before I make a purchase, I'd like to be sure. :) Thanks in advance.
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
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    I prefer SPECTRE over Skyfall (it's even my favourite Bond film of the Craig era, next to Casino Royale), and -likewise- I prefer Thunderball over the rather overrated Goldfinger (which is good, but TB is much more vibrant and darker).

    ITA. I even prefer MR to TSWLM(though I love both) and DAD to TWINE so I don't follow the supposed consensus that an actor's 003rd Bond film is always better than his 004th.

    I don't prefer DAD to TWINE, but sometimes MR can win TSWLM to me many times ;)
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 2,917
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'll give you that, but, like so many of these things (particularly THE BATTLE FOR BOND), it suffers from poor writing , both grammatically (basic mistakes at times) and stylistically. Needless to say poor editing as well, or I wouldn't have noticed the mistakes in the first place.

    I have doubts as to whether the first edition was edited at all! Some of these new small publishers seem to have stopped bothering with copyediting, and others now introduce errors into the text, as was the case with Some Kind of Hero. But Ajay Chowdhury told me last year that the paperback edition has been corrected, so I recommend that version to DarthDimi.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Interesting, I always thought that was JAMES BOND: THE LEGACY. Can you definitively say that isn't so, because before I make a purchase, I'd like to be sure. :) Thanks in advance.

    Some Kind of Hero is twice as long, and Bruce Scivally, co-author of Legacy, gave it a five star review on Amazon--surely a sign that both books belong on your shelf!
  • Revelator wrote: »
    Some Kind of Hero is the best

    And don't you forget it.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    I can confirm the new edition has been edited.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @Revelator

    I have ordered the book per your recommendation, sir. :)
    Thank you!
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Some Kind of Hero is the best

    And don't you forget it.

    Nobody does it better.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Walecs wrote: »
    How last minute was it actually? Has it ever been mentioned somewhere?

    I'm currently reading the OHMSS chapter in Some Kind of Hero, I'm sure the DAF chapter mentions at what point Connery was brought on.

    Interesting! Hope the book provides some information on this. The DAF production is interesting enough in itself, with Lazenby not returning, the other names considered, etc.

    And the fact that they had already signed John Gavin to play James Bond for DAF. I feel like that subject never gets a lot of coverage. Like how long had he been attached to the role and how was he going to approach it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Revelator wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Isn't all that stuff well documented in other books, the Inside documentaries and so forth?

    Perhaps, but Some Kind of Hero is the best and most authoritative history of the Bond films so far.

    Looking into that, here's a timeline of what went down on DAF:

    - John Gavin was signed and announced as Bond on January 29th 1971

    - UA announced the deal was made with Connery to return as Bond on March 1st 1971

    - Production started on April 5th 1971, with Connery shooting his first scene a week later.

    Thus Connery only had a month between signing on and shooting.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,756
    Walecs wrote: »
    How last minute was it actually? Has it ever been mentioned somewhere?

    I'm currently reading the OHMSS chapter in Some Kind of Hero, I'm sure the DAF chapter mentions at what point Connery was brought on.

    Interesting! Hope the book provides some information on this. The DAF production is interesting enough in itself, with Lazenby not returning, the other names considered, etc.

    And the fact that they had already signed John Gavin to play James Bond for DAF. I feel like that subject never gets a lot of coverage. Like how long had he been attached to the role and how was he going to approach it.

    That's true, it's so easy to forget that Gavin was actually signed for the role. His contract was paid out in full too, wasn't it?

    The casting must have been hell for the producers, from a budgetary point of view.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    Gavin was paid in full, that‘s correct
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    Gavin was paid in full, that‘s correct

    No wonder Diamonds Are Forever looks like they blew the entire budget on Connery's catering.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    DAF was the right picture to make ... as much as I nowadays would have loved seeing Lazenby doing a true continuation of OHMSS.

    I am not a big fan of DAF ... but it has Connery and some cool scenes in it - I like the Vegas setting and the hostage situation if Whyte. But the rest is ... well ....
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    And Wint & Kidd of course !
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