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It's a bit Season 7 24 too, where Jack busts out Tony Almeyda.
Is it? I only ever managed to get through the first episode of 24, it wasn't for me.
I doubt this would stop the writers using it though, the whole SP plot point of
Get P&W to do the first draft, then someone else to pull it all together (like SF and not SP). Also Mendes and craig have toc ome back and finish the story. With how they end SP, they really have no choice.
It’s time he took centre-stage. If I was EON, I’d make the film a bit of a mash-up of the filmic OHMSS and Fleming’s YOLT.
However, I really disagree that Madeline should be killed at the outset of the film. It would be painfully obvious and turn Bond 25 into an evitable “revenge thriller”. Furthermore, it would bear too striking a resemblance to the Vesper story from CR/QOS. Plus I really like Lea Seydoux, I feel that SP really changes gear when she turns up and she elevates the film.
I want to see her and Bond build a healthy relationship and work together. I want that relationship to really become cemented in Bond 25, I liked her and Craig in SP and I liked them more together, so why break them apart. However, Madeline has to die at the end of the film. There is no way that Bond can drive off into the sunset; I know that in SP he seemingly does but Fleming always denied Bond a normal life. Every time Bond attempts to move on with his life as a secret agent he is always reminded that he actually has no choice.
Furthermore, I think Irma has to come back and Tilda Swinton has to play the role. She should be the acting head of Spectre now that Blofeld has been arrested.
I also want to see Blofeld escape from custody. I’d also love to see the fallout of his identity being revealed to the public – imagine the real world implications of the head of an international criminal outfit being run by a diminutive Austrian man. Wouldn’t it be awesome if we saw Blofeld’s trial! Maybe at the Royal Courts of Justice? And maybe it could work as a precursor to a huge action sequence on the strand? (Don’t steal my ideas EON! Well….do….but pay me)
Not as dramatic as Madeleine being killed off, but I could see her leaving Bond either between films or in the Bond 25 PTS because Bond got called back on a mission against Blofeld and just couldn't say no. More Tiffany than Tracy.
I hope that the next film doesn't bring back too many previous characters. Blofeld, Madeleine, M, Q, Tanner, and Moneypenny are enough. We don't need Lucia and Hinx and the old man driving the car in Rome to show up again. Give us some new characters.
Bond 25 will be the first one of the Craig era that doesn't rely on CR characters (aside from Bond, of course). That's a testament to the character development in that script, and of course the novel.
Oh boy, I love this idea. Somebody bring Swinton to Babs' Christmas party.
That thought has frozen me with terror. I can see it now: Bond is driving hell for leather through the streets of Rio, SPECTRE hot on his tail but who's this getting in his way...why, it's FIAT man from SP and his wife on holiday in their rental car...oh how hilarious.
This will happen. Shudder.
...yea and JW and wife can be riding in the back.
Idris Elba would work well here :))
But it's that way in the novels. Of course, there are several novels in between :)
I like it.
However, I think you need a better reason for Bond to decide to return. He needs a bigger impetus. I agree that since leaving it's likely he has only thought about returning, however, he needs more agency than a call from Mallory.
I think someone Bond is close to should be personally hurt at the beginning, some vague 00's we know nothing of are not good enough - I think Moneypenny or Q should get seriously injured (not too injured to sit out the rest of the film).
Also Bond would never retire and live in a flat in London. It's James Bond for Christ's sake. He'd be off in Jamaica or some such place.
Yes, Rosamund Pike would say that she felt it sounded like a pork pie or something.
Or is that too macabre...
The character name, but not the character. Brand isn't a traitor. Quite the opposite, in fact. She's defined by her loyalty.
I think just touching on it--a la Vesper's line in CR--is enough.
Hmm, I started a thread about how seriously we should take Bond - in terms of how light/dark they should be - and people seem to like a mix. The Bonds have always had that aspect of the fantastical, and to some degree having its tongue in its cheek. The events in Paris were truly horrifying. Not sure how that can sit in Bond's world with its light touch - might not be all that sensitive.
Why? What's wrong with TLD?
Then the whole movie revolves around Moneypenny, Q, M and 009.
End credits: James Bond won't return
Act1
Zooms in to
Bond is in the South of France or Italy with Madeleine.
They are having dinner outside on a terrace, laughing, looking in to each others eyes. A shadow comes over Bond from behind and Madeleine's facial expression drops. "Do you mind if I join you" says M. " Bond that all depends "Business or pleasure". Mallory "I know it's awfully rude Ms Swann, but would you mind if James and I have a moment in private" Bond nods and winks at her". "Fine" says Madeleine. Bond gets up and he and Mallory walk to the hotel bar. "With the look on your face Gareth, you look like you could do with a stiff drink" says Bond adding "Why do I get the feeling im not going to like this". Mallory proceeds to tell Bond what has happened. Bond is clearly angry at the incompetence. But tells Mallory "I'm not interested, anyway the plane went down the son of bitch is dead, we should be grateful" Mallory tells Bond "its not quite that simple "This is the cockpit recordings from the flight recorder, you can hear gun shots being fired and then static then Blofeld voice on the distorted recording Cuckooooooooooo!, then there is this" says Mallory and shows him video of the SPECTRE symbol showing on the screens simultaneously in time square, Piccadilly Circus and Tokyo with words "A New World Order" and a clock counting down. "We need you James, we are not yet fully operational, and to make matters worse two of my agents were on that flight. We're not even sure that our seals are tight after Denbigh, and I need someone I can trust"
(I like Haserot ideas so I will steal a little), Madeleine is sleeping he is sat on a chair under the moonlight from the window drinking looking at her. He puts down his glass and walks over and kisses her on the forehead and whispers sorry.
Cut to London HQ - Camera showing just Bonds legs walking down a corridor and turn in to the Reception of M's office - Camera cuts to behind MP she is bent over placing files in the lower drawer of the cabinet when Bond enters, she can't see him as she has her back turned and says "just leave whatever it is on my desk, I will get to it later". Bond replies "see, I always knew you wanted me on your desk" MP turns around and her face lights up, she walks over and hugs him. MP says "what are you doing here", Bond replies "I missed the rain". MP informs Bond "Mallory was just on his way back from a meeting with the Defence Minister, but he can wait in M's office", Mallory returns and enters the office, he has his head down and looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders, when he looks up he locks eyes on Bond sat on his chair. Bond jumps out of the seat and says "never did fancy promotion" the weight looks lifted from Mallory and manages a smile "Thanks for coming James". They sit and talk about the latest info, he asks Bond to work alongside the CIA "It was at their request, that we assist, but I must remind you James that this is their operation, as Oberhauser was in their custody and was their prisoner"
Bond then visits Q they have the usual bit of light hearted fun, and Bond is on his way, arrives in the New York and is picked up by Felix.... that's as far as I have gotten.
I myself am very conflicted when thinking about next movie.
On one hand I really, really, really want DC to return. On the other, Spectre could be viewed as a perfect end to his tenure.
Only way that I see that honors events in Spectre and continues the story is Blofeld escaping and killing Swann and then faithful (as much as it's possible, if they can crack it) adaptation of YOLT. If that scenario is done right it may be something special.
But there also lies the dilemma. Should he lose another one? Is it too soon? Is another dark movie too much? How to end it, like in the novel, with him having an amnesia but wanting to remember?
Also, that kind of movie could be difficult to promote, some of it's big spoilers would have to be reviled in the promo materials.
Totally disregarding the Swann character or quickly dismissing it would undermine their Spectre story, I think.
Should the whole YOLT adaptation be left for later, for the next actor, maybe in the middle of his tenure?
In any case, looking forward to finding out what's next.
Meanwhile in Madeira, Bond is adjusting to civilian life but his behavior due to chronic boredom, lassitude and apparent purposelessness is raising Madeleine's doubts as to whether or not he is capable of living as they intended or if he is too far gone.
"Following the events of Spectre, espionage is brought to the world stage as paranoia over national security and government corruption grows. The newly revitalized SIS headed by Gareth Mallory (Ralph Fiennes) fights to lawfully expose the deeply rooted tentacles of Spectre in one of the world's leading pharmaceutical corporations headed by Dr. Ignace Gallia (Vincent Cassel) who is leading the development of a vaccine to a worldwide epidemic. Meanwhile, a retired Bond struggles to fight his assassin instincts in order to live a normal life with his wife Madeleine (Lea Seydoux).
With tensions rising between government intelligence services, megacorporations, and a vigilante hacker society, will Bond walk away from the life he fought so hard to live only to be drawn back into the darkness?"
FYI if you're wondering what will happen to Madeleine...
Cast
Daniel Craig as James Bond
Ralph Fiennes as M
Colin Firth as Supreme Court President, Lord Conrad O'Brien
Vincent Cassel as Ignace Gallia
Lea Seydoux as Madeleine Swann
Priyanka Chopra as Priya Rao (head of hacker collectivist society, Legion
Christoph Waltz as Ernst Stavro Blofeld
Directed by Cary Fukunaga
They need to get the story worked out before they go into it, get P&W to bash out something, look lets face it, it's going to be them and it doesn't matter how much we whinge about it so we better accept it.
It's inevitable they they'll then bring someone else on board to get into a more credible script, P&W need their work improved, letting them polish instead of create was a mistake. Logan shouldn't have got as far as he did but letting them do the one thing they've had done to them since CR was while ironic was not a good idea.
My ideal option would be actually to go for a 2 film arc to end the Craig era it's not going to happen but humour me.
We get a plot where Bond is a civilian at the start but is drawn back to MI6 when ESB escapes and has to accept he needs to take him down for satisfaction, the PTS could be him being targeted by ESB by SPECTRE agents on his orders while in captivity. Bond would foil this plot but possibly give him the impression he's dead for a period of time.
ESB isn't bothered about looking Bond in the eye and pulling the trigger he just wants him out the way now so he can concentrate on his next scheme and he can't do this in captivity under the control of MI6 so the opening after the credits is a brilliantly staged sequence where SPECTRE operatives break him out of MI6.
Bond returns to London and persuades M to return his double O status so he can track down ESB. Realising that he can't go on with him out there especially when he's already tried to kill him. We would see Waltz briefly throughout the film but he would disappear into the shadows but become far more mysterious and ruthless but him and Bond would not meet during the first part, this would be a globe trotting well paced adventure where Bond goes looking for leads, a bit like when Bond goes looking for the micro film in SWLM.
I even thought you could have him confront Guy Haines, Paul Ritter is a great dramatic as well as comedic actor and a chance to elaborate on that character with the Quantum connection would be great. MI6 know who he is but he's been kept on a short leash but manages to influences ESB escape through his connections. Bond senses his involvement, tracks him down but before he can say too much SPECTRE assassins take him out but he leaves Bond a cryptic clue which leads him onto his next lead.
This moment could send off Bond into is adventure for the first part, we could then get a big cliffhanger at the end which would lead into the next film which would be Bond finally finding ESB and along with an armed force raiding his hideout. You could include Felix and even possibly bring Camille back into it at some point during the 2 films.
The thing is Swann, you could have her go into protective custody but that doesn't last and she is abducted but this wouldn't be revealed until Bond confronts ESB and he reveals her like an ace up his sleeve and taunts Bond with it.
I'm not a script writer but just a few ideas, Craig's era needs to end with a bang.
Instead you just take that idea and condense into one film but just a minute didn't they already do that with SPECTRE?
They could then either end it in a way that another actor could pick up the baton and run with the same era or more likely reboot the timeline and the new actor begin outside of this era, it would be a shame though to not to let this new MI6 crew run with a new actor.