Realistic & Serious Story Ideas for Bond 25 (...to be used by EON Productions Ltd.??)

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    THE INCESSANT HELLFIRE

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  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    then after the PTS he steals a milk truck

    Denial Craig is Ian Flaming's Games Bond in

    THE INCESSANT HELLFIRE
    For people that have seen this member's other post is he always like this? If, so we should ban him.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    then after the PTS he steals a milk truck

    Denial Craig is Ian Flaming's Games Bond in

    THE INCESSANT HELLFIRE
    For people that have seen this member's other post is he always like this? If, so we should ban him.

    I'd say he's pretty harmless.
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    Milovy wrote: »
    I wonder how they could make a memorable villain in the next film. I loved the idea floated in Spectre's development of Blofeld cannibalizing some people to stay alive in the desert - perhaps the next Bond villain could be a cannibal. I also like the idea of a Bond villain who produces snuff films or sex tapes (think FRWL). These are both really dark ideas, but I want a villain I can hate.
    Another dark idea I like: hunting humans for sport. That could be the next villain's hobby.
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Milovy wrote: »
    Milovy wrote: »
    I wonder how they could make a memorable villain in the next film. I loved the idea floated in Spectre's development of Blofeld cannibalizing some people to stay alive in the desert - perhaps the next Bond villain could be a cannibal. I also like the idea of a Bond villain who produces snuff films or sex tapes (think FRWL). These are both really dark ideas, but I want a villain I can hate.
    Another dark idea I like: hunting humans for sport. That could be the next villain's hobby.

    @Milovy, I've had ideas like this in the past but I also run into the same thing you seem to be grappling with: is it too dark for a Bond film?

    I really like the Most Dangerous Game kind of villain you're speaking of. I think it'd be really interesting if Bond were sent to a remote island inhabited by the villain (perhaps for the finale) where he must survive against the guy's traps as they both hunt one another in sudden death. It would be the Scaramanga face-off bumped up to eleven with more jungle like surroundings than the sandy island and house of "games."

    I think there's a lot of really subtle ways to note things about a villain without doing too much. Like showcasing a villain's power and need for control in a scene where he meets Bond and he has a troupe of helpers who feed him, get him a drink and hold it to his lips, etc. They basically did some of this with Blofeld in SP, and I found it very disconcerting how his control was visualized. I could see an elite kind of villain having that kind of team he controls, but I don't know what scheme he'd have.
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Well, if there was ever a time to explore dark ideas in a Bond film, now would be it! We are in a post-CR world... Ball whipping, Bond girl committing suicide, anything goes.

    I like your idea of pitting Bond against an assassin who is "hunting" him. I did also enjoy how much Blofeld's presence seemed to control the room in SP. Wish they had kept some of the other dark stuff, like the cannibalization backstory.
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    Bond hasn't been hunted properly for years. I'd love to see that. Want him to be reduced to a bag of nerves like Laz in OHMSS escaping Piz Gloria.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Milovy wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Well, if there was ever a time to explore dark ideas in a Bond film, now would be it! We are in a post-CR world... Ball whipping, Bond girl committing suicide, anything goes.

    I like your idea of pitting Bond against an assassin who is "hunting" him. I did also enjoy how much Blofeld's presence seemed to control the room in SP. Wish they had kept some of the other dark stuff, like the cannibalization backstory.

    I think that time has passed now. CR was 10 years ago. Think about that. 10 years after Moonraker we got License to Kill. 10 years after Die Another Day we got Skyfall.

    It's not very often that the same tone of Bond is maintained for that length of time.
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    I have no idea re the plot as they are in a horrible place re Craig's Bond ...BUT I do like the idea of making and promoting a Bond movie knowing it would be the actors last. I was trying to think of similar exampls. With Dr Who, for example, they are open about the fact that its one actors last appearance. I know its different with Bond but , if it was done properly, it would be a great opportunity to say farewell to Craig who, overall, has served the role well and I think there is much affection for him beyond Bond fandom. The danger is, if done badly, it could be very obvious and cheesy. Itse never been done before and the the franchise is always looking for something new.
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    @patb That sounds like a good idea. Although... the endings of both Skyfall and Spectre did suggest an ending to a Bond actor's tenure, if need be, so the sense of an "ending" might be overly familiar at this point. In fact a lot of SP seems to deliberately suggest an "ending" for Craig's Bond. Not a very satisfying ending IMO - I think the whole thing was hurt by EON's have-their-cake-and-eat-it-too approach, leaving the door open to Craig's return - but an ending nonetheless.
    Milovy wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Well, if there was ever a time to explore dark ideas in a Bond film, now would be it! We are in a post-CR world... Ball whipping, Bond girl committing suicide, anything goes.

    I like your idea of pitting Bond against an assassin who is "hunting" him. I did also enjoy how much Blofeld's presence seemed to control the room in SP. Wish they had kept some of the other dark stuff, like the cannibalization backstory.

    I think that time has passed now. CR was 10 years ago. Think about that. 10 years after Moonraker we got License to Kill. 10 years after Die Another Day we got Skyfall.

    It's not very often that the same tone of Bond is maintained for that length of time.
    You have a point, but it might be worth noting that the two beats I mentioned (torture and suicide) were featured in Spectre as well.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Skyfall has never suggested an ending to me, but rather a new beginning.
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    I can see that. I got the "new beginning" vibe from the endings of CR, QoS and SF. After a while, it felt a bit annoying - like each film's ending promised a return to "classic" Bond that was never quite followed up on. But SF does have some shades of an ending IMO, what with the death of M and the patriotic tone (tied into the 50th anniversary celebration and Olympics stuff).
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    SF finishing with Bond on the roof overseeing "his domain" would have been the perfect ending for Craig. Its going to be hard to recreate that feel. And yes, the SP ending tried (and failed) to hint at an ending. But if we all know whilst watcing the film (and the script writers know) then there surely is potential for an very powerful and emotional goodbye. Never been done before (imagine the emotion considering how respected and liked Roger M was if they could have worked that in, it would have neen iconic)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    All I see with SP's ending is a part one of part two story, really. I'd be massively disappointed if it was dropped, as there was a neon light shining on those final scenes that screamed follow-up.
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    SF would have been the ultimate end to a five film run from Craig. It didn't happen, so we move on. But I agree @patb it would've been a fitting end. (No M scene).
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    All I see with SP's ending is a part one of part two story, really. I'd be massively disappointed if it was dropped, as there was a neon light shining on those final scenes that screamed follow-up.

    There was also a neon light that said...The End.
    For me SP could go either way with the ending, and they've done this on purpose. If Craig doesn't comeback, the end of SP bookends his tenure.
    If he does, then we carry on to the next adventure.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Benny wrote: »
    All I see with SP's ending is a part one of part two story, really. I'd be massively disappointed if it was dropped, as there was a neon light shining on those final scenes that screamed follow-up.

    There was also a neon light that said...The End.
    For me SP could go either way with the ending, and they've done this on purpose. If Craig doesn't comeback, the end of SP bookends his tenure.
    If he does, then we carry on to the next adventure.

    My copy just cuts to black...

    When Craig himself refers to the ending as "to be continued," I have my reasons for believing (as I did when I left the theater) that his return would bring a continuation of that story.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Its a clear ending. In fact, unlike the other Craig films, its the only one that doesn't end with Bond rising to the challenge of being a spy, or other "getting his groove back". Could they fashion some kind of addendum to prolong the story? Yes, you can do that with just about any story really if you try hard enough. But to say that the ending screams of a "to be continued" is a little balmy if you ask me. Ofcourse, we can all interpret things our own way, but that's one step away from those nutters who read all kinds of subliminal messages in The Shining. The best you could really say is that they don't completely extinguish the possibility of a follow up, although I'm not sure why they would choose to end the film the way they did if it was their intention to pick things up again with the same characters. For a set up to a second half of the story, its a pretty awful execution to be honest. Cliffhanger endings usually leave some lingering threat, or some sense of foreboding. Why they would tie things up like this, I don't know. The calm before the storm? Maybe, but I don't see it myself. We'll have to wait and find out. Personally I think they had no idea how to end it, and whether Craig would be back - so they tried to do both. Then if Craig leaves they don't look silly just abbandoning the narrative and starting over.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Its a clear ending. In fact, unlike the other Craig films, its the only one that doesn't end with Bond rising to the challenge of being a spy, or other "getting his groove back". Could they fashion some kind of addendum to prolong the story? Yes, you can do that with just about any story really if you try hard enough. But to say that the ending screams of a "to be continued" is a little balmy if you ask me. Ofcourse, we can all interpret things our own way, but that's one step away from those nutters who read all kinds of subliminal messages in The Shining. The best you could really say is that they don't completely extinguish the possibility of a follow up, although I'm not sure why they would choose to end the film the way they did if it was their intention to pick things up again with the same characters. For a set up to a second half of the story, its a pretty awful execution to be honest. Cliffhanger endings usually leave some lingering threat, or some sense of foreboding. Why they would tie things up like this, I don't know. The calm before the storm? Maybe, but I don't see it myself. We'll have to wait and find out. Personally I think they had no idea how to end it, and whether Craig would be back - so they tried to do both. Then if Craig leaves they don't look silly just abbandoning the narrative and starting over.
    If you stop pushing your agenda for a minute, logic might go to your brain.

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    Agenda pushing? His conclusion seems quite rational to me.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Its a clear ending. In fact, unlike the other Craig films, its the only one that doesn't end with Bond rising to the challenge of being a spy, or other "getting his groove back". Could they fashion some kind of addendum to prolong the story? Yes, you can do that with just about any story really if you try hard enough. But to say that the ending screams of a "to be continued" is a little balmy if you ask me. Ofcourse, we can all interpret things our own way, but that's one step away from those nutters who read all kinds of subliminal messages in The Shining. The best you could really say is that they don't completely extinguish the possibility of a follow up, although I'm not sure why they would choose to end the film the way they did if it was their intention to pick things up again with the same characters. For a set up to a second half of the story, its a pretty awful execution to be honest. Cliffhanger endings usually leave some lingering threat, or some sense of foreboding. Why they would tie things up like this, I don't know. The calm before the storm? Maybe, but I don't see it myself. We'll have to wait and find out. Personally I think they had no idea how to end it, and whether Craig would be back - so they tried to do both. Then if Craig leaves they don't look silly just abbandoning the narrative and starting over.

    I don't think it's a nutty notion to ponder that the next Craig film would pick up with
    Blofeld getting back at Bond, since the look in his eyes while lying on the bridge couldn't be any more clear. Dan by all accounts wants to continue telling that story, and has shown interest in it when questioned. It's the only logical step to go from it. People that think EON are just going to scrap Blofeld after one film and the story that the conclusion leads up to to tell a standalone film are bonkers. It goes against sense and the template of all that the Craig era has been to this point.

    If there's a Bond they could tell a last story with, it's Dan, as he can bring the kind of performance that would be needed for that particular kind of film where all bets are off. They can hold on to him even longer if they want, as his so-called replacements are absolutely tragic. The fact that people think a big name is going to be Bond #7 is amusing enough, but some of the ones being suggested? Heavens.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Agenda pushing? His conclusion seems quite rational to me.
    Oh, absolutely. A completely reasonable one for a maniac.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I think they brought back Blofeld because they wanted to match the success of Skyfall and compete with the other franchises that increasingly rely on brand recognition. Blofeld and SPECTRE were the quintessential Bond enemy, so it was their best chance to keep the Skyfall hype going. However, I think the plan was very ill-conceived as has been documented in the leaks. They spent so much time trying to get Mendes back to keep Craig happy that when it came to the actual script they didn't really know where to take it. They were relying on "Craig" "Mendes" "Skyfall sequel" "SPECTRE" and "Waltz as Blofeld" and more buzzwords to sell the film but they didn't have the story to back it up.

    The ending was particularly rushed, and it has been documented that the entire thing had to be rewritten on the fly. It feels like a producer driven ending, not part of an artistic vision. The decisions being made, like shooting down Blofelds helicopter but leaving him alive, feel like someone frantically trying to hedge their bets and mitigate any potential backlash. The ending with Craig and Madeline feels so tacked on, even prefunctory, that I feel it was just the quickest, cleanest ending they could think of. There's no proper resonance or emotional impact, which leads me to think it was a slapdash decision on the part of Barbara and Micheal. The fact there is no dialogue in that final bit is telling, I think, that it wasn't written that way to begin with. The ending certainly feels unnatural, and perhaps thats what you mean when you say they were signposting a "to be continued" 2 parter. Ultimately though, I think that unnatural feeling is more down to incompetence and the rushed script edits before production. I don't think it was intentional, put it that way.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think the SPECTRE inclusion was a very obvious attempt to wrap up the past Quantum issue, to get that put to rest. This brand recognition talk makes little sense to me. Many of us saw where the era would go if EON got the rights back, and here we are.

    As for the finale, I can't comment on its lapses as I actually enjoy it. I think there is a "to be continued" element to it by how they leave Blofeld with revenge on the mind and how they are setting up a settled and "happy" Bond so that all his ideas of a post-MI6 life are torn away. In my head he doesn't really want to settle anyway, and is simply acting as he thinks he's expected to, as he did with Vesper, but that's a discussion for elsewhere.
  • RareJamesBondFanRareJamesBondFan Touch it. You can touch it if you want.
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    Blofeld holds the worlds ransom to shut down the internet! Then he uses money to rebuild Skyfall Mansion, posts xeroxed production stills of actors from Casino Royale, and blow it up again! Dryden was part of SPECTRE it's all connected. He fake his death kills Madeleine and kidnap Q. Then he blows up the ruins of Skyfall again! Bond goes on a hunt for his long lost gamekeeper Kincaid, but its a twist- Kincaid is really his father and it's part of SPECTRE. Dryden was Bond's college roomate. Blofeld blows up Bond's old college dorm and shuts down the internet!
  • RareJamesBondFanRareJamesBondFan Touch it. You can touch it if you want.
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    We really need something to explore the modern internet in the 21st cnetury and also the very fruitful unexplored years of James Wroughton Bond aged 10-20. The teenaged years. What happened? which girl did Bond lose his virginity to and, how much did Blofeld pay her for to do it?
  • RareJamesBondFanRareJamesBondFan Touch it. You can touch it if you want.
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    Also, is MI6 still relevant?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Something I don't understand is why some people think that Bond 25 has to feature technology in a prominent way. I'm kinda tired of that angle being played, and I think the high-tech gadgets Bond was once known for has been coopted by Mission Impossible, as well as the Scooby squad aspect. I say leave it to Tom Cruise to dobthose elements justice, and give Moneypenny and Q just a cameo, if that.

    But anyway, back to what I was saying about technology. I don't really see the need for Bond to address advancing technology head on, as I've never really seen how the two collide conceptually speaking. I mean, Casino Royale was a story about a card game, completely analogue, and did anyone feel that the film was dated? I didn't.

    The main draws of Bond are the suspense, action, gambling, sex, luxury, etc. I don't think technology is on that list. Rather than making modern stories, or plonking Bond back in the 1950's as some members would like to see, why not just focus on telling a story that is timeless? I think that's where Bond as a figure of iconicism resides.
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