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Where would you rank SPECTRE? (no spoilers)

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  • sunsanvilsunsanvil Somewhere in Canada....somewhere.
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    As a hard core "classic bond" fan, little should be read into SPECTRE not falling into my top 10. That is permanently occupied by the initial six films and a handfull of Moores. That said, SPECTRE is for me on par with Casino as his two best, Quantum of Solace being the only weak link in his tenure.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    @AceHole agree. The films seem tired, when you have to bring J W Pepper back as comic relief you know your film's in trouble…and don't get me started on Mary Goodnight!
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Lancaster007 wrote: »
    @AceHole agree. The films seem tired, when you have to bring J W Pepper back as comic relief you know your film's in trouble…and don't get me started on Mary Goodnight!

    Well, quite.
    As much as I love Chris Lee (possibly the most charismatic Bond villain ever) that film just feels lazy and uninspired.
    I think after that TSWLM was a complete no-brainer: get Rog' to be funny instead of copy Sean + use YOLT's plot + put most of the budget into stunts & the set-building and hey presto = you've pulled the franchise out of the hole that was early 1970's Bond...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    There's an eccentricity to Hamilton's three in a row early 70's films that I really enjoy today (as part of the entire canon they stand out as being a little quirky and light hearted). I'm glad we have them as part of the franchise to be a little different.

    Having said that, I, more than anyone else perhaps am very happy that they changed course and made the incredible TSWLM.
  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    There's an eccentricity to Hamilton's three in a row early 70's films that I really enjoy today (as part of the entire canon they stand out as being a little quirky and light hearted). I'm glad we have them as part of the franchise to be a little different.

    Having said that, I, more than anyone else perhaps am very happy that they changed course and made the incredible TSWLM.

    Agree. I'm very fond of their idiosyncrasies.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited November 2015 Posts: 1,731
    bondjames wrote: »
    There's an eccentricity to Hamilton's three in a row early 70's films that I really enjoy today (as part of the entire canon they stand out as being a little quirky and light hearted). I'm glad we have them as part of the franchise to be a little different.

    Having said that, I, more than anyone else perhaps am very happy that they changed course and made the incredible TSWLM.

    DAF through to TMWTGG was just too much of the same light-weight quirkiness that you allude to. Not to mentioned their cheap look & low production values.

    As plenty of others have said before - the series works best when the 'formula' is changed after every other film or so. Without YOLT no OHMSS, without MR no FYEO.
    By the same token SP would probably not have felt so invigorating if it had been offered to us in 2006 without the change of approach that the Craig era brought.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    I don't know how people come up with that this is Craig's TB when it's so clearly Craig's YOLT
    What? You mean a disinterested actor playing Bond, OTT action scenes with extremely dodgy special effects, scenes in space, and heavy emphasis and focus on a huge, elaborate Ken Adam set?

    As opposed to a proper introduction to SPECTRE, and the actor playing Bond finally getting into his stride and playing the role cooler than cool?

    I have no time for YOLT, and had SPECTRE been anything like YOLT I would have hated it.

  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    For me, of Hamilton's 70s run, LALD was by far the best. IMO the humor worked better and the film was just more entertaining the whole way through.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Top ten for me. Can't separate it from SF, which is around 9-ish. I'll do my ratings once I have it on Blu-Ray. In the mean time, I'm just going to enjoy the new Bond film, and not over-analyse it.
  • phibes72phibes72
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    For me, I rate it as third best of the whole series, Absolutely loved it, Casino Royale my fave, followed by Skyfall, but I loved Spectre. Still hard edged and brutal, but with a big dollop of fun. Just hope that Craig does a fifth, he narrowly edges Dalton, as the best in my opinion. Seen Spectre, three times now, and I have a feeling it may end up my 2nd overall.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    phibes72 wrote: »
    For me, I rate it as third best of the whole series, Absolutely loved it, Casino Royale my fave, followed by Skyfall, but I loved Spectre. Still hard edged and brutal, but with a big dollop of fun. Just hope that Craig does a fifth, he narrowly edges Dalton, as the best in my opinion. Seen Spectre, three times now, and I have a feeling it may end up my 2nd overall.

    Welcome to the forums, Craig fan. Why not introduce yourself properly in the "New members. Introduce yourselves"-thread?
  • jackdaggerjackdagger
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    I went over my Bond list today and placed Spectre at #15 overall. #4 in the Craig era. But I've only seen it once, so that may change on multiple viewings. :)
  • AntiLocqueBrakesAntiLocqueBrakes The edge
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    phibes72 wrote: »
    For me, I rate it as third best of the whole series, Absolutely loved it, Casino Royale my fave, followed by Skyfall, but I loved Spectre. Still hard edged and brutal, but with a big dollop of fun. Just hope that Craig does a fifth, he narrowly edges Dalton, as the best in my opinion. Seen Spectre, three times now, and I have a feeling it may end up my 2nd overall.

    Had it at No. 2 initially as well. Hope to catch SP a 3rd time on Wednesday. I enjoyed the movie as well. But if I switched my mind into "Type A" mode, I can see where others may not have.

    Torn on whether Craig should leave the Bond franchise as is, or complete the SP project. If he can't get the cooperation of Waltz and Seydoux, I think he should ride out with 4.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    phibes72 wrote: »
    For me, I rate it as third best of the whole series, Absolutely loved it, Casino Royale my fave, followed by Skyfall, but I loved Spectre. Still hard edged and brutal, but with a big dollop of fun. Just hope that Craig does a fifth, he narrowly edges Dalton, as the best in my opinion. Seen Spectre, three times now, and I have a feeling it may end up my 2nd overall.
    Welcome Doctor! Another fan with SP in the top 5! Very cool!

  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Just outside of my top ten at the moment. I like it just as much as GF and would probably rank it higher than it. SP seems to be garnering strong fan reaction and weaker critical reaction, which is no nevermind to me.
  • dinovelvetdinovelvet
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    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Whats wrong with LALD??? It's Moores best jointly with FYEO in my book.

    It would be completely outside the scope of this thread to explain fully - but I find LALD lacklustre to the extreme. The NY sequences are cringeworthy & there is little or no thrill to speak of. Moore is ball-achingly boring as 007.
    How anyone can rate it, apart for sentimental reasons, is beyond me.

    I do enjoy LALD somewhat, but watching in my recent Bondathon in context with the full series, LALD looks like the cheapest Bond movie ever made. Kananga's "lair" at the end looks like it would be a back room somewhere in Blofeld's YOLT volcano.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    After the fourth viewing:

    Number One. (Well, it was already there after the first viewing :D )

    Just so you know (if you haven't already).
    That's a tectonic shift in my Bond ranking, because never, ever would I have thought possible that GoldenEye will at one point not be my No 1 Bond movie anymore.


    I'm actually still shocked it happened and I do hope I'm not just dreaming :P
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @BondJasonBond006, I'm quite surprised, as well! I don't care what they release in the next fifty years, GE will never, ever be knocked down from my #1 position. At least SP is in my Top Five (or at least in sixth position, I think that's where I placed it after I saw it and I'm looking forward to seeing it again and seeing how that ranking changes.)
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @BondJasonBond006, I'm quite surprised, as well! I don't care what they release in the next fifty years, GE will never, ever be knocked down from my #1 position. At least SP is in my Top Five (or at least in sixth position, I think that's where I placed it after I saw it and I'm looking forward to seeing it again and seeing how that ranking changes.)

    Always cool to see fellow fans of GE. Seems to be all over the place in opinion here (but probably more positive than negative)! It has gone up more and more in my ranking over time, now at #4!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @FoxRox, I'm happy to hear that, as well! I was introduced to the series via GE, rewound and re-watched my VHS copy of it as a kid countless times. Fell in love with it then and my love and admiration for it will only continue to grow. I can confidently say I've seen it a few hundred times.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @FoxRox, I'm happy to hear that, as well! I was introduced to the series via GE, rewound and re-watched my VHS copy of it as a kid countless times. Fell in love with it then and my love and admiration for it will only continue to grow. I can confidently say I've seen it a few hundred times.

    My most seen Bonds are TLD, OP, GE, TND
    It will be hard to beat those numbers as of course they are all around since decades.

    OHMSS is my Christmas movie, I regularly watch it on December 25th or 26th since I got it first on DVD in the late nineties.

    Spectre will join the likes of my four most watched. It also will be a record holder in cinema attendance. I certainly will have seen it at least 6 times in the end.
    TLD, GE and DAD I have seen 4 times at the cinema. CR and TND and QOS and SF, 3 times each.
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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    My top 5 Bond movies: -

    FRWL
    OHMSS
    TB
    CR
    SP
  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
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    After my second viewing, now in my Top 5.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    My top 5 Bond movies: -

    FRWL
    OHMSS
    TB
    CR
    SP

    That's hard to argue with.

    Mine:
    1 SP
    2 GE
    3 OHMSS
    4 CR
    5 TLD
    6 OP
    7 FRWL
    8 GF
    TB is No 18.

    After two and a half Bondathons this year I really had difficulties to rank the movies in the Top 8.

    I played around a bit with it (in Excel) to see how the Top 8 looks if I put OHMSS on top and FRWL second etc.

    Objectively speaking I think OHMSS and FRWL are the best Bond movies ever.
    But a personal ranking of course isn't merely about objectivity.

    TB has once been in my Top 5. How it slowly slipped down to a new low at No 18 escapes me really. I can see it's really good, but I don't feel it anymore. It's such a drag to sit through for me.
  • mepal1mepal1
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    I've seen SP twice, and i have enjoyed the film...........but i really don't know where to rank this film in the list of the other Bond films.........anyone else here struggling with this as well?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    My top 5 Bond movies: -

    FRWL
    OHMSS
    TB
    CR
    SP

    That's hard to argue with.

    Mine:
    1 SP
    2 GE
    3 OHMSS
    4 CR
    5 TLD
    6 OP
    7 FRWL
    8 GF
    TB is No 18.

    After two and a half Bondathons this year I really had difficulties to rank the movies in the Top 8.

    I played around a bit with it (in Excel) to see how the Top 8 looks if I put OHMSS on top and FRWL second etc.

    Objectively speaking I think OHMSS and FRWL are the best Bond movies ever.
    But a personal ranking of course isn't merely about objectivity.

    TB has once been in my Top 5. How it slowly slipped down to a new low at No 18 escapes me really. I can see it's really good, but I don't feel it anymore. It's such a drag to sit through for me.

    Yeah that's a huge drop for your ranking of TB but tastes, attitudes and what you want out if a Bond movie can change when you least expect it. Did you ever think SP will reign supreme at the top of your list?

    I can see why TB can be a chore to get through, the under water scenes can really drag and leave one disconnected from the movie but for me, there are too many good things about it to have it remain in my top 5. Connery was supremely alpha, the PTS and ridiculousness of tge jet pack scene, Fiona is my favourite Bond girl,the locations, the overall sexiness of the movie, Largo was a great villain, the SP meeting/execution and so many other things.

    That being said I usually talk about my top 6 but right now I'm torn between Dr.No and GE to give it tgat spot.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Where it lands will depend on my second viewing, which I hope will happen this weekend. It sits in my top 10, but where exactly remains to be seen.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    After a third viewing I can honestly say that... I haven't decided yet. <:-P

    BTW between 1st and 3rd place. Classic, glamorous, bombastic, orgiastic and quintessential Bond Movie. If Skyfall was a celebration... Spectre is a magniloquent monument of a (Bond) movie.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    Magniloquent! Very nice.
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