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Where would you rank SPECTRE? (no spoilers)

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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    40 people have given full rankings for all 24 Bond movies including Spectre.

    I have analyzed the rankings and compared Skyfall to Spectre as a first step:

    28 rate SF in Top 10
    28 rate SP in Top 10

    15 rate SF in Top 5
    15 rate SP in Top 5
    you can say SF and SP are evenly loved in general and by a clear majority.


    21 rate SF higher than SP
    19 rate SP higher than SF
    This shows again, that neither SP nor SF get a clear preference.


    9 that rate SF Top 10 don’t rate SP Top 10
    9 that rate SP Top 10 don’t rate SF Top 10
    and again, the same amount of people have either only SF or SP in the Top 10

    19 that rate SP Top 10 also rate SF Top 10
    3 neither have SF nor SP in Top 10
    a vast majority has at least one of them in their Top 10 or both and less than 10% have neither in the Top 10

    I will add further full rankings to my Excel list and report if there is any notable change to these findings.

    If someone has an idea what further could be analyzed just tell me.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    The reviews for SP here are a lot more forgiving than the ones from pompous critics.
  • Dubble_uh_ohDubble_uh_oh
    Posts: 38
    Hi. I'm new on this forum.

    My personal ranking of these movies:

    1. For your eyes only.
    2. The spy who loved me
    3. Moonraker
    4. You only live twice
    5. Goldfinger
    6. From Russia with love
    7. Diamonds Are forever
    8. Thunderball
    9. Casino Royal
    10. On her majesty's secret service
    11.Live and let die
    12.S.P.E.C.T.R.E.
    13. Dr.No
    14. The man with the golden gun
    15. The living daylights
    16. Goldeneye
    17. Quantum of solace
    18.license to kill
    19. A view to a kill
    20. Tomorrow never dies
    21. Octopussy
    22. Skyfall
    23. The World is not enough
    24. Die another day
  • dinovelvetdinovelvet
    Posts: 709
    Nice. Roger's trilogy of excellence at the top :)
  • CraterGunsCraterGuns
    Posts: 618
    01. Casino Royale (2006)
    02. Goldfinger
    03. From Russia With Love
    04. Skyfall
    05. The Living Daylights
    06. Spectre
    07. Thunderball
    08. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    09. The Spy Who Loved Me
    10. GoldenEye
    11. Licence to Kill
    12. Dr. No
    13. Quantum of Solace
    14. For Your Eyes Only
    15. Tomorrow Never Dies
    16. You Only Live Twice
    17. Live and Let Die
    18. The Man With the Golden Gun
    19. Diamonds Are Forever
    20. The World is Not Enough
    21. A View to a Kill
    22. Octopussy
    23. Moonraker
    24. Die Another Day
    .....
    25. Never Say Never Again
    26. Casino Royale (1967)
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    Posts: 1,731
    I'll probably put it around 7th or 8th, can't really be sure yet - I am of the opinion that you can't put a new entry into your ranking until at least year has passed and you've seen it a few times. Benefit of hindsight and all that.
    QoS for instance is now quite a bit higher than I would have ranked the week after seeing it. SF is actually quite a bit lower...
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    Posts: 1,130
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Szonana wrote: »
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.

    That would be just wrong on so many levels.. :(( Perish the thought.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    I have the same problem! No way is Spy being left out of the top ten...
  • gkleingklein
    Posts: 154
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    40 people have given full rankings for all 24 Bond movies including Spectre.

    I have analyzed the rankings and compared Skyfall to Spectre as a first step:

    28 rate SF in Top 10
    28 rate SP in Top 10

    15 rate SF in Top 5
    15 rate SP in Top 5
    you can say SF and SP are evenly loved in general and by a clear majority.


    21 rate SF higher than SP
    19 rate SP higher than SF
    This shows again, that neither SP nor SF get a clear preference.


    9 that rate SF Top 10 don’t rate SP Top 10
    9 that rate SP Top 10 don’t rate SF Top 10
    and again, the same amount of people have either only SF or SP in the Top 10

    19 that rate SP Top 10 also rate SF Top 10
    3 neither have SF nor SP in Top 10
    a vast majority has at least one of them in their Top 10 or both and less than 10% have neither in the Top 10

    I will add further full rankings to my Excel list and report if there is any notable change to these findings.

    If someone has an idea what further could be analyzed just tell me.

    GREAT informative analysis! Thank you! Keep up the good work!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    You can slant these rankings anyway you like. @w2Bond has done some unbiased work on this, and it is clear that Spectre, although a popular film, is nowhere near SF.

    I don t have an agenda with saying this as I love them both.
  • gkleingklein
    Posts: 154
    Hmm. I didn't see any slanting in his compilation of the rankings. It seemed an extremely objective look at numbers only.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited November 2015 Posts: 9,020
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    You can slant these rankings anyway you like. @w2Bond has done some unbiased work on this, and it is clear that Spectre, although a popular film, is nowhere near SF.

    I don t have an agenda with saying this as I love them both.

    I hate to break it to you, but w2bond's calculation was some time ago.

    Spectre gets 344 points after 41 rankings, 8.39
    Skyfall gets 352 points after 41 rankings, 8.58

    The less points the better so Spectre (at the moment) is above SF.

    I will give the full ranking of all Bond movies shortly.
    I have no agenda as well by the way, but would never call your assessment slanted.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    If so, that is good news. Maybe you noticed that I put SP at no. 2 and SF at no. 3 in my latest biased ranking?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    If so, that is good news. Maybe you noticed that I put SP at no. 2 and SF at no. 3 in my latest biased ranking?

    Well you started with the "accusations" :))

    I have to apologise to you though, I accidentally mixed up your rankings of SF and GE!
    nah..would never do such a thing :))
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,616
    Well 3rd viewing in, and I still love Sp. So that's a good sign for future viewings. I think though I will leave it a no. 7 in my rankings. That's fair enough for me. I always try to pick out a small moment in a Bond movie that stays with me. In SP it has to be the trip in the rolls to Blofelds lair. Madeleine whispers to Bond "James, I'm scared!", and he takes her hand and gently squeezes it. Not quite up there with the shower scene from CR, but liked it!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    If so, that is good news. Maybe you noticed that I put SP at no. 2 and SF at no. 3 in my latest biased ranking?

    Well you started with the "accusations" :))

    I have to apologise to you though, I accidentally mixed up your rankings of SF and GE!
    nah..would never do such a thing :))

    I admit that I hate GE almost as much as @Birdleson hates Spectre. Which is worse in your opinion?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    If so, that is good news. Maybe you noticed that I put SP at no. 2 and SF at no. 3 in my latest biased ranking?

    Well you started with the "accusations" :))

    I have to apologise to you though, I accidentally mixed up your rankings of SF and GE!
    nah..would never do such a thing :))

    I admit that I hate GE almost as much as @Birdleson hates Spectre. Which is worse in your opinion?

    I respect you both a great deal, so I would not call any of your votes "worse" than the others.

    But it escapes me that Spectre can be rated 24th.
    With GE I can at least understand that if someone dislikes Brosnan that he would rank it that low and the other 3 as well therefore.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    If so, that is good news. Maybe you noticed that I put SP at no. 2 and SF at no. 3 in my latest biased ranking?

    Well you started with the "accusations" :))

    I have to apologise to you though, I accidentally mixed up your rankings of SF and GE!
    nah..would never do such a thing :))

    I admit that I hate GE almost as much as @Birdleson hates Spectre. Which is worse in your opinion?

    @Thunderfinger is cool and all, but the GE hating is simply a front: I've seen his place, it's filled with nothing but old cans of food and all of Brosnan's films (literally: all of them), posters, and a few cardboard standees of Broz.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    If so, that is good news. Maybe you noticed that I put SP at no. 2 and SF at no. 3 in my latest biased ranking?

    Well you started with the "accusations" :))

    I have to apologise to you though, I accidentally mixed up your rankings of SF and GE!
    nah..would never do such a thing :))

    I admit that I hate GE almost as much as @Birdleson hates Spectre. Which is worse in your opinion?

    @Thunderfinger is cool and all, but the GE hating is simply a front: I've seen his place, it's filled with nothing but old cans of food and all of Brosnan's films (literally: all of them), posters, and a few cardboard standees of Broz.

    He stole my father s love.

    Cuckoo!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Agree about the GE title sequence, maybe the best ever. As for the rest, good lord it was just a tad above DAD. But different strokes and all that...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    @Birdleson, what was your absolute least favorite scene/line/moment from SP?
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    edited November 2015 Posts: 1,130
    bondjames wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.

    That would be just wrong on so many levels.. :(( Perish the thought.

    Come on don't be a drama queen is just a ranking and a very personal one, still nothing has happened yet.
    So you can breath for now but I won't guarantee you things will stay that way.mso if you have heart attack for this its not my fault

    :))
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    I rank it at #11, about level with GF.
  • gkleingklein
    edited November 2015 Posts: 154
    I've still not seen SP (so can't rank it) but I did just take a look at its ranking on the Rotten Tomato website's James Bond countdown.

    Folks, on that website, SP is rated lower than DAF! Clearly, these critic reviews must be reactionary -- SF fans venting their frustration. While I'm no big fan of SF, I refuse to believe that Logan/Mendez/Craig could have possibly delivered a worse Bond movie than DAF! I know DAF has its fans/defenders but most Bond fans (including myself) rate it the bottom of Connery's Bonds. Let me remind us of what DAF is...

    DAF is the first self-parody, slap-stick Bond. Even Moore didn't step into self-parody until MR & OP -- and even then didn't fully embody it the way DAF does until AVTAK.

    DAF is the movie in which Bond places his ID on a man he just killed, which causes Tiffany Case (the first, in the end, dumb/ditz Bond "girl" who spends too much time in a bikini) to exclaim, "You just killed James Bond!" To which Connery replies, "Is that who that was!? Just shows no one is indestructible."(!!) In other words, Bond, in this movie, is a world-renown celebrity! Gangsters in this movie utter lines taken straight from Bugs Bunny cartoons.

    DAF is pure slapstick self parody. SP is worse than that!? Just goes to show the ridiculousness of "respected" movie critics in general (especially Bond movie critics) & the Rotten Tomatoes rating system in particular.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @gklein

    "must be reactionary -- SF fans venting their frustration"

    This is the best assessment yet of the critics situation, well put, spot-on! =D>
  • AntiLocqueBrakesAntiLocqueBrakes The edge
    Posts: 538
    @gklein

    Discredited Rotten Tomatoes entirely. Great work.
  • augie7107augie7107 Boston
    Posts: 108
    I've got it third on my list behind Goldfinger and The Spy Who Loved Me. Going to see it for the second time tomorrow evening.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
    Posts: 403
    Not exactly hard to discredit pompous critics expecting every film to be SF. SP seems like a decent hit with fans and not so with critics. I wouldn't have it any other way.
  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    Posts: 389
    SF for the critics, SP for the fans, but IMHO neither is a classic like FRWL or GF.
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