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The intro scene with Hinx was great.
Good villain, underused in the story, for me.
I absolutely love it. The true climax of the film. Hell, next time I watch I might turn it off after Bond and Madelaine are picked up heading to the lair and just make up how they defeat Blofeld in my head.
Which is your top five fights, then @Birdleson?
The only real problems are that Hinx dies way, way, way too early in the film. He dies before the third act even begins... I was expecting Bond to fight Hinx one last time in the demolished MI6 building, who obstructed Bond as he tried to save Madeleine... And also because it is the film's last true flash of genius... Once they got off the train, the film downspirals quickly.
Hinx probably needed a more glorified death, too.
A final confrontation between Bond and Hinx at MI6 would have been phenomenal. These 2 guys beating the crap out of each other from pillar to post.
Absolitely. Agree on everything. The problem is that the fight comes out of nowhere and its reason remains unexplained. But the main problem is that it's more or less an homage to all the previous train fights (esp. FRWL). Of course it's maybe better executed today but remains a little uninspired and uncreative to me. Especially since Spectre was not released as an anniversary Bond film. Hence, I never understood the huge amount of references. But of course it is a decent fight, just probably not that memorable.
Unfortunately, with SP, you are between a rock and a hard place. If you include set-up to that moment, then you increase the film's length even more. If you don't, then it is random and unexplained.
Aye. It was quite different from the famous FRWL punch-up. In fact, practically the only similarities are that both occur on a train and Bond emerges victorious. Pretty lazy to claim that one fight rips off an earlier one because they take place in similar vehicles. I mean, really. How many different types of vehicles are there? When a series runs as long as Bond, it is inevitable that there will be some semblance of repetition.
Sometimes I really can't believe you people. What the hell do you want to prove creativity?
The fight begins from out of the blue with Hinx's thunderous disruption of a pleasant meal between Bond and Swann--this itself is creative--the fight does not take place in one car but careens through several cars--another creative touch--Hinx misses several uppercuts--missed punches are yet another thing we rarely see in film fights, and especially Bond film fights--Bond stabs Hinx with an icepick, lights him up with a flaming oil lamp, and then once it becomes clear that Bond can do nothing to harm Hinx, he flees pell-mell, hurling every object at hand. Swann pops up and shoots Hinx and herself is knocked unconscious with a sickening thwack, and then Bond has the resourcefulness to wrap a rope around Hinx's neck, attach it to kegs, and then toss them from the train, resulting in Hinx's demise. Yet another creative touch!
It's really an anthropological oddity to see somebody offer up some half-baked critique which is then parroted obliviously by other posters.
Didn t care much for the TB or GE fights much myself, but the rest are excellent. Would switch one of those with the Bond vs Jaws train fight in TSWLM personally.
Biased is bad now?
My only complaint is the underuse of Hinx in the movie
The chopper fight and snow chase did nothing for me, unfortunately.
Wow, I can get not liking the snow chase but I thought the helicopter fight was unanimously considered thrilling.
It was overhyped and poorly edited.
Speak for yourself. It's alright but nothing staggering. People to be mistaking the style of the tracking shot over the substance of what we actually get.
Has anyone listened to that James Bond Radio thing? The guy on there can't stop creaming himself about how good the PTS is. Although given that him and his mate wound up on the red carpet I suspect EON dished out premiere tickets because he generates sufficient publicity so he's not going to bite the hand that feeds him.
Personally I prefer Martin Grace doing everything for real in FYEO and Newman's shoddy SF ripoff score kicking in halfway through takes me out of the scene every time.
Out of those the Hinx fight is easily better than Slate, Franks, TeeHee, Bouvar, Patrice.
Odd Job and 006 are debatable ones because Oddjob lacks the intensity but is more iconic and 006 merely because Dan is so much better in a fight than Pierce.
It's not better than Grant and it's not better than Obanno, although if Dan had wound up covered in blood a bit more it might have been. That's the big flaw for me - Bond takes a pasting but not a scratch on him.
I found Hinx/Bond very derivative when I saw it for the first time, but by that point I was already losing interest with the whole film in the theatre. As I mentioned on here before, the setting is too familiar for a Bond film (we've seen this at least 3 times before if you count the Moore fights) and that is a big negative for me.
Having said that, when I saw it on blu ray earlier this week, I appreciated it much more. It's very well conceived and is a welcome bit of energy in this film. I still would have preferred it if they just did the same thing in a different location (even it was at Blofeld's lair in a cellar or something).
Actually, I got the boys from JBR tickets and we went down there together. They're top blokes, not at all affiliated with EON and do it all for the love Bond. Their enthusiasm is genuinely infectious, but they're no EON lackies, Chris actually wrote a letter to them post QoS outlining his immense disappointment.