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In time, will SP be more or less appreciated?

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Technology has come a long way. It's a shame this wasn't a real movie! It's got voice acting from Pierce, Judi, John Cleese, Willem Dafoe and more! Seriously, this is the fifth Brosnan movie many have been craving.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Really ?? wow !! ..Defoe is the baddie ?...did you complete it btw ?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Oh yes! Defoe plays Nikolai Diavolo, A former KGB agent who's mentor was Max Zorin. It's great. The game was a fantastic challenge too. It takes everything great about Brosnan's era and combines it into this awesome Bond adventure. It's a Bond movie you play. I highly recommend it.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    EON (the game) is without a doubt the best Bond video game entry, and probably my favorite 6th generation console game to revisit. Nostalgia overload, for sure.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    But ,when i played the one Bond game i did,you could only save it at certain points,not whenever you wanted to...is that still the case ?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    in EON you can save after you've completed a level. you can't stop it and come back to it unfortunately. You have to complete a level in one go then save.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Thats the problem....i have age,reflexes ,and time against me now...47 today remember haha ??
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    @chrisisall, Jaws doesn't turn good for long. This is more of the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Years later Jaws would fight Bond again! ;)
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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    You'll do fine. Fortunately Everything or Nothing doesn't have those stupid sudden button press moments games today have.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Fantastic score too.


  • barryt007barryt007
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    Murdock wrote: »
    You'll do fine. Fortunately Everything or Nothing doesn't have those stupid sudden button press moments games today have.
    I wish i had your faith,i was so good at these kind of game,especially the horror ones,that relied on impulse and instinct....all gone now,alas.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    That reminds me of John Altman's GoldenEye tank chase music. Good stuff. I also used that track in my very first rescore of the SP plane chase.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    I suspect the film's great sense of fun will be better acknowledged, and the plot shortcomings forgiven. I think it's fair to say that Spectre, warts and all, is a traditional Bond film, at least to a much more significant degree than its two predecessors. Not every entry has to be like that, but I love this one for it!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I'm hard-wired to like Bond films, probably from watching them since the 70s to present. It's amazing to me the content of films like DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER that are accepted and defended by folk who conversely and intensely scrutinize the latest mission. That's not to say any film is beyond criticism or every critic does that, but it's my observation of what I've seen. This age of technology can draw a viewer to commit very early on, fall on their sword, really, to declare a view and really dig in.

    My analogy for seeing the latest Bond film is listening to the latest song by my favorite band. I'll have a first impression, sure, but before I really can judge it there will be multiple re-listens to get a sense of it and compare to what came before. That's a joy with every new OO7 movie, no less the last four.

    So I think all four or however many they make of Craig's Bond will be more and more appreciated over time. Quite a body of work. CASINO ROYALE as the standout, then folks will gravitate to the others based on personal tastes. QUANTUM OF SOLACE without so much of the shock to the system for following CR, or its intense opening and the editing. SKYFALL without the hype or knowledge of how successful it was at the box office.

    And SPECTRE for the smooth, self-assured and fun ride it is. Really a great one.

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  • pking_3pking_3 Punting under the Bridge of Sighs
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    Spectre will most likely settle into mid-pantheon status by consensus. Likely forevermore on a higher shelf than QOS, DAD, LTK, AVTAK and DAF, and a few more. On a lower shelf than CR, GE, TSWLM, GF, OHMSS, etc.
  • MilovyMilovy
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    But, I would think even the fans of the film would have to acknowledge that there isn't a Hell of a lot there for the casual movie goer. It relies on heavy investment in prior continuity. If I was bored, imagine what someone who doesn't remember Mr. White or Vesper clearly must have felt like.
    I have also thought this before. Mr. White last appeared seven years prior, without a beard, saying "Tosca isn't for everyone" around the midpoint of QoS. Did they really expect general audiences to remember this guy?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited February 2017 Posts: 6,844
    Birdleson wrote: »
    pking_3 wrote: »
    Spectre will most likely settle into mid-pantheon status by consensus. Likely forevermore on a higher shelf than QOS, DAD, LTK, AVTAK and DAF, and a few more. On a lower shelf than CR, GE, TSWLM, GF, OHMSS, etc.

    QOS is ever on the rise within the community, SP isn't. Though SP beat it out in some of our post release polls, I don't think that will repeated in years hence.

    And for the general public, QoS has risen to 6.6 on IMDB in recent years, whereas SP sits at 6.8 at the conclusion of its opening year. History suggests SP will fall at least a couple pegs from that "new release" rating, whereas QoS may continue to rise upon further reevaluation. I wouldn't be surprised to find QoS finally settling with a higher rating than SP.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    And what is LTK doing on that list? That is a well-loved Bond film around here.

    Yes, not sure if that list is meant to reflect the mindset of the general public or the Bond fan community. If the former, you may as well put The Living Daylights down there, too. If the latter, Licence to Kill is indeed pretty highly regarded.
  • bondsumbondsum
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    It's impossible to second guess what the next generation (or the next thereafter) of moviegoers will like and reanalyse or dislike. This forum isn't a reliable yardstick to make that judgment due to the constant nature of members continually changing their minds on their own favoured Bond ranking polls. Today they like carrots, next week they prefer peas. I personally don't care for the "shared DNA" trope that's currently the fashion doing the rounds in today's movies, but when this convenient plot device is abandoned for the next well-worn topical trope, maybe the next generation will be more forgiving towards it? Maybe they won't. Hey, I'm always surprised when younger Bond fans claim that Octopussy copied Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom when OP came out 1 whole year before it at the cinema. In fact, I recall watching ToD and thinking "this bit reminds me of OP" and not the other way round.

    The only thing I know is if I don't like a movie first time round, I won't like it anymore the second.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    How much we can appreciate SPECTRE will depend on Craig returning or not. I think if this was his last film then many people will get irritated because it wouldn't finish Blofeld's story. The writers left him alive so that we could get more of Waltz's portrayal in the next film(s). If they were told that Craig wouldn't return then I am sure that they would've killed Blofeld off....but since they left him alive, they must continue the story.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Less because even though I liked it I can't see myself in 20 years going "remember that bond film it was so distinct" it will just blend in
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I think octopussy is the best Moore film because it is the only one that is sort of different in that Moore era when they had the formula down and every film was the same
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Murdock wrote: »
    You'll do fine. Fortunately Everything or Nothing doesn't have those stupid sudden button press moments games today have.

    Parts of SP remind me very much of those Brosnan PlayStation games. I had EoN too back in the day and completed it.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    I think octopussy is the best Moore film because it is the only one that is sort of different in that Moore era when they had the formula down and every film was the same

    OP is one of my top ten.

    excellent movie
  • bondsumbondsum
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    I'll admit I quite liked Octopussy on my first view. If only they'd exercised more constraint with the Tarzan yell, "sit!", the submersible crocodile, and Q in a hot air ballon, then this would've been easily the best o
  • bondsumbondsum
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    I'll admit I quite liked Octopussy on my first view. If only they'd exercised more constraint with the Tarzan yell, "sit!", the submersible crocodile, and Q in a hot air ballon, then this would've been easily the best of the Moore Bonds. It certainly made up for the lacklustre FYEO.

    There's a parallel or sorts with the post MR Bonds as Moore had made it publicly known that MR would be his last Bond. Only difference here is that the producers are taking forever to deliver the next adventure, unlike after MR, and Craig has been flip-flopping in his desire to continue. As a paying customer and cinemagoer in Moore's reign as Bond, the post MR Bonds were always tainted by the knowledge that Moore should've hung up his holster and let a younger fresher actor take over the role in FYEO. I'm getting the same feeling now with Craig, in that SPECTRE should've been his last and Bond 25 should be pushing forward with a new actor. Time's a wasting and none of us are getting any younger, Craig included.
  • CountJohnCountJohn
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    I think it may always divide people, especially since it stands out so much within Craig's tenure. But as Rich the Bruce alluded to Bond fans become more lenient on any story issues as time passes and remember the great moments, so I think it's reception will probably improve over time.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    I think SP will be regarded as a decent entry. Not a classic but better than most from the last 20 years.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    SP does seem to have divided the people I know. Two person I know love it but others are "meh".

    I also saw part of a "Best Bond" debate on Sky News the other day (to mark Craig being the second longest-serving Bond). The general consensus was that Craig was very good but SP was "underwhelming" (one person on the debate said Craig had "lost his way" in SP). I think the jury is still out on the film tbh.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited February 2017 Posts: 9,511
    I just don't think SP had anything to say, like the filmmakers did with the previous three films. It was almost as if they did their best, knowing they had to get a film out by such and such a date, but not really knowing, beyond this, why the film had to exist.
    I think that's why there are all these rich scenes, but as a whole, they really don't lead anywhere (and I think that's why many find it boring).
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