BOND POLLS 2017: Craig stays or leaves? Choose one of the four options [RESULTS, page 12]

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  • Posts: 4,813
    Ha- well there's a lot to be said about how manipulative the media can be to the uninformed....
    But about Bond, you're right, everyone's under the impression that he's done already.

    Interestingly enough, my best friend, who's just a casual fan, said that he not only feels Craig is done, but that he 'phoned in' his performance in Spectre. Not sure if I agree, but these are the kinds of things the general public is thinking!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I do have the feeling , now looking back. SP does have a feeling of "Goodbye"
    About it.
  • Posts: 4,813
    True- and there are definitely worse sendoffs for a Bond actor than riding off into the sunset in an Aston Martin with a beautiful woman at your side!
    Come to think of it, if Craig does come back for one more.... how will they top that perfect ending??

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Only my prediction but I think, Craig is done with Bond, and the next film
    Will follow SP in that more traditional format, and Madeline won't get a
    Mention.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I don't think Dan is capable of phoning it in. He's just too good, really.

    I thought SP's ending was/is a false resolution. You can't look at Blofeld staring coldly and vengefully at Bond and Madeleine on that bridge and tell me that this thing is over! He's got more meddling to be done. >:)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    True, but I do wonder if Blofeld will now be put on hold , for a film or two ?
    To have a big re-emergance, possibly with a new face ?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited June 2016 Posts: 28,694
    True, but I do wonder if Blofeld will now be put on hold , for a film or two ?
    To have a big re-emergance, possibly with a new face ?

    If Dan's back, so is Christoph, easy as that. That's apparently what the arrangement is still anyway. Can't have one without the other. From what I've heard, Christoph is only willing to return if Dan does.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    I think one more for Craig. If only to take on Blofeld. Basically the timing of the rights of Spectre and Blofeld being released three films after Craig's debut has rushed the whole spectre thing. They were obviously heading there with quantum - and then suddenly the opportunity came up and they shoe horned spectre into an existing timeline. I'm begging for a finish to the connected story lines - but after Skyfall I realised they never will finish with it until Craig's era is done. So one more for Craig to take on Blofeld. But there is no way they just ignore The last Bond girl like they used to - so it means some Madeline swan which doesn't excite me in the slightest.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Introducing Blofeld/Spectre in Craig's fourth film was a bad idea, especially if they weren't sure just how many more movies he would definitely take on. I wish they would've saved re-introducing them for a new actor.
  • A) I hope and pray Daniel does one more Bond movie.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Whom are you praying to?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    C to be honest after the way SPECTRE has painted this era into a corner.

    I'm not against A or D but if DC stays I think they'll want to carry on and as much as I love Craig in the role I think he'll want this as well.

    I might be wrong and he might be up for D but if Waltz wants to return they'll want to fly with Foster Brothergate.

    If they are willing to return to the current time thread and not play up the childhood connection then yes but I just don't see it.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I don't see why bringing back Craig and Waltz would continue the "not brother" aspect. It's already blew it's wad and not brought up again. That part is over, it's strictly Blofeld vs Bond, two men. eye for an eye. It can easily be done without mentioning it because Bond for one didn't care when Blofeld was rambling on about it.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I don't see why bringing back Craig and Waltz would continue the "not brother" aspect. It's already blew it's wad and not brought up again. That part is over, it's strictly Blofeld vs Bond, two men. eye for an eye. It can easily be done without mentioning it because Bond for one didn't care when Blofeld was rambling on about it.

    If that happens @Murdock then fine but I just think some script writer will get too much of a hard on about running with it and DC and Waltz will want to exploit it as well.

    I might be wrong and you and I clearly took different views of SP, while you thought it was sublte I thought it was ham fisted and ill advised but hey we'll see what happens i guess.

    I'll gladly watch another DC film or more but SPECTRE left a very bad taste in my mouth one I know not everyone experienced but some of us definitely did.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I don't see why bringing back Craig and Waltz would continue the "not brother" aspect. It's already blew it's wad and not brought up again. That part is over, it's strictly Blofeld vs Bond, two men. eye for an eye. It can easily be done without mentioning it because Bond for one didn't care when Blofeld was rambling on about it.

    If that happens @Murdock then fine but I just think some script writer will get too much of a hard on about running with it and DC and Waltz will want to exploit it as well.

    I might be wrong and you and I clearly took different views of SP, while you thought it was sublte I thought it was ham fisted and ill advised but hey we'll see what happens i guess.

    I'll gladly watch another DC film or more but SPECTRE left a very bad taste in my mouth one I know not everyone experienced but some of us definitely did.

    I think good writers can work around it, It can be easy to do, It was subtle enough in the film to where that aspect can be ignored. I'd rather it wasn't there to begin with but I'm happy it was subtle enough for me. I know with the right writers it can be fixed on a dime.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I do hope so my friend.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 1,469
    I think B is likely. The way SPECTRE ended, it would be the perfect sendoff for Craig. I wonder if it's possible that Craig told the producers around the time of shooting that he wanted out after this one and they made the ending that way, then they kept it quiet for a while, then Craig talked about how he'd rather break a glass and slash his wrists than do another one etc, followed by rumors of talks with other actors to replace him. Then again--
    I thought SP's ending was/is a false resolution. You can't look at Blofeld staring coldly and vengefully at Bond and Madeleine on that bridge and tell me that this thing is over! He's got more meddling to be done. >:)
    They could write this into the start of the next Bond film with Craig--he's retired or something, but Blofeld escapes and threatens the world again, so they reactivate Bond to save the world. And Craig has, in my opinion, shown himself to be really capable--probably my second favorite Bond after Sean Connery.

    On the other hand, as I think someone here said, Craig has kind of shown all that he can do, and he's made great Bond films in my opinion. He's ruthless, and I like that in a Bond portrayal, but I think Craig's natural acting range is somewhat limited. I'd like to see more depth and darkness ala Timothy Dalton or even Connery...more raw emotion under the surface, and I find Craig lacks that visceral emotional connection. So I think another good actor could slip into the role. It depends on the story, and I think of OHMSS, which many of us rank as among the best of the Bond films, yet it starred Lazenby in his first serious acting role, right? Yet the story is so great. I'm not saying anyone can do it, but the story and screenplay help a lot. Connery was about 32 when Dr. No came out...Craig was older, about 38 when Casino Royale came out, and now he's 48. Maybe we should now have a younger Bond--younger than Craig that is--maybe in his early 30s like Connery was at first.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Thank God, if true. As this article states, he's too unique and effective in the role, that, IMHO, the other names just pale in comparison.

    However, this link also mistakenly said "Months after Daniel Craig announced his departure from the “James Bond” franchise,..."; DC has announced nothing.

    Saying that, my fingers are crossed that he returns.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 11,119
    So far these are the results after 49 people have casted their choices:

    A]...55,0%..(27 voters)
    B]...08,2%..(04 voters)
    C]...28,6%..(14 voters)
    D]...08,2%..(04 voters)

    Please make sure you only vote once. If you want to change your choice, then please amend it properly with a clear post stating your wish to change.

    Regarding the results.....there's a clear majority voting for option A). If we only look at the wish that Craig returns, regardless of the poll option details, then 63,2% (Combination of Option A) & D)) want Craig to return. It seems we can't let go of this wonderful actor ;-).

    To make things a bit easier, here are one more time the four poll options:

    A)...CONTINUE the current 'Bond Universe/Timeline' that was initiated with the 2006 reboot "CASINO ROYALE". Daniel Craig RETURNS as agent James Bond 007 for a 5th time.
    Further consequences of option A):
    - The 25th film and other future films will be LESS HEAVY on character background, chronology and continuity
    - (Some of) The other actors from the MI6-family RETURN: Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw, Naomie Harris, Rory Kinnear (Jeffrey Wright)


    B)...CONTINUE the current 'Bond Universe/Timeline' that was initiated with the 2006 reboot "CASINO ROYALE". Daniel Craig RESIGNS, and a NEW, 7th actor takes over the Bond mantle.
    Further consequences of option B):
    - The 25th film and other future films will be LESS HEAVY on character background, chronology and continuity
    - (Some of) The other actors from the MI6-family RETURN: Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw, Naomie Harris, Rory Kinnear (Jeffrey Wright)


    C)...DISPOSE of the current 'Bond Universe/Timeline' that was initiated with the 2006 reboot "CASINO ROYALE". A brand-new reboot will be initiated in which a NEW, 7th actor takes over the Bond mantle.
    Further consequences of option C):
    - The 25th film and other future films will be DEVOID of character background, chronology and continuity
    - (Some) Actors from the MI6-family RETIRE: Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw, Naomie Harris, Rory Kinnear (Jeffrey Wright)


    D)...DISPOSE of the current 'Bond Universe/Timeline' that was initiated with the 2006 reboot "CASINO ROYALE". Daniel Craig RETURNS as agent James Bond 007 for a 5th and final time.
    Further consequences of option D):
    - The 25th film and other future films will be DEVOID of character background, chronology and continuity
    - (Some) Actors from the MI6-family RETIRE: Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw, Naomie Harris, Rory Kinnear (Jeffrey Wright)


  • GBFGBF
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    I think it will be option A. Actually, I am one of the very few who are not so excited about another Bond film starring Daniel Craig. I just don't like his emotional approach and the personal revenge stories in each of his films. But I think the ending of Spectre just does not enable the filmmakers to reboot the franchise again. Even though continuity has never been the strength of the franchise, they just cannot end Craig's tenure as Bond this way. And what should happen with Blofeld, if Craig leaves? Would be stupid to have a new Bond interacting with Waltz as Blofeld. And what if Waltz also leaves? Will we have a fifth actor to portray Blofeld in Bond25? This would be crazy. They should try to keep the cast together and avoid this incosistencies they caused with regard to Blofeld between YOLT and DAF.
  • Posts: 11,119
    GBF wrote: »
    I think it will be option A. Actually, I am one of the very few who are not so excited about another Bond film starring Daniel Craig. I just don't like his emotional approach and the personal revenge stories in each of his films. But I think the ending of Spectre just does not enable the filmmakers to reboot the franchise again. Even though continuity has never been the strength of the franchise, they just cannot end Craig's tenure as Bond this way. And what should happen with Blofeld, if Craig leaves? Would be stupid to have a new Bond interacting with Waltz as Blofeld. And what if Waltz also leaves? Will we have a fifth actor to portray Blofeld in Bond25? This would be crazy. They should try to keep the cast together and avoid this incosistencies they caused with regard to Blofeld between YOLT and DAF.

    My gut feeling tells me that Barbara and Michael want to end Craig's tenure with a much more open-ended Bond film. If SP really was the last film of Craig, then Craig leaves the Bond franchise with basically one option: Rebooting. And I think EON wants to streamline the Bond franchise again in such a way, that slowly the films become stand-alone again.

    And indeed, with all the trouble the Broccoli's did to get S.P.E.C.T.R.E. and Blofeld back from the McGlory estate, I think they do not wish to suddenly shelve those prizes.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Why would EON need to reboot the franchise?
  • Posts: 11,119
    Why would EON need to reboot the franchise?

    Well, in the case Daniel Craig really resigns, only these two options are possible:

    B)...CONTINUE the current 'Bond Universe/Timeline' that was initiated with the 2006 reboot "CASINO ROYALE". Daniel Craig RESIGNS, and a NEW, 7th actor takes over the Bond mantle.
    Further consequences of option B):
    - The 25th film and other future films will be LESS HEAVY on character background, chronology and continuity
    - (Some of) The other actors from the MI6-family RETURN: Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw, Naomie Harris, Rory Kinnear (Jeffrey Wright)


    C)...DISPOSE of the current 'Bond Universe/Timeline' that was initiated with the 2006 reboot "CASINO ROYALE". A brand-new reboot will be initiated in which a NEW, 7th actor takes over the Bond mantle.
    Further consequences of option C):
    - The 25th film and other future films will be DEVOID of character background, chronology and continuity
    - (Some) Actors from the MI6-family RETIRE: Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw, Naomie Harris, Rory Kinnear (Jeffrey Wright)


    And although I prefer option B) over option C), I think option B) would be the least likely choice. Unless they really go the 1960's way of typecasting, wanting the new Bond to be an exact duplicate of Daniel Craig.....

    On top of that, what about the extensive MI6-team (M, Q, Tanner, Moneypenny, perhaps Leiter)? Just....dispose them? Ralph Fiennes already mentioned that he isn't keen on returning if Craig leaves. And the same goes for the new Blofeld played by Christoph Waltz.

    It's just very complicated not to reboot if Craig is really out for Bond #25.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2016 Posts: 15,713
    How it is complicated? The franchise is bigger than both Craig and his films. Just have a new 38/40 years old actor as an experienced Bond. Fiennes or Whishaw back to link the films like the franchise has always done in the previous 54 years, and the ball will roll again. They didn't reboot after YOLT, DAF, AVTAK or LTK, no need to reboot again hardly 12 years since CR. For 95% of people who go to see Bond films, continuity is totally not important. The general public will buy anything for Bond 25 whether Craig is back or not, as long as the film is good. DAF brought back a dead ally as Blofeld, 4 years after YOLT and 2 years after OHMSS and people flocked to see the film and were there for Connery returning, not to nitpick on continuity.
  • GBFGBF
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    How it is complicated? The franchise is bigger than both Craig and his films. Just have a new 38/40 years old actor as an experienced Bond. Fiennes or Whishaw back to link the films like the franchise has always done in the previous 54 years, and the ball will roll again. They didn't reboot after YOLT, DAF, AVTAK or LTK, no need to reboot again hardly 12 years since CR. For 95% of people who go to see Bond films, continuity is totally not important. The general public will buy anything for Bond 25 whether Craig is back or not, as long as the film is good. DAF brought back a dead ally as Blofeld, 4 years after YOLT and 2 years after OHMSS and people flocked to see the film and were there for Connery returning, not to nitpick on continuity.

    I totally agree. I also don't see any reason for another reboot. The change from Connery to Moore for instance shows how well this can go. The cast remained the same. I think each actor will need one or two films to find his take on the role but I am not so keen on the development of an entirely new character.

    The main problem that I see is that the return of SPECTRE and Blofeld requires some kind of continuity. If you have returning villains you probably should also have a returning Bond. Therefore I think it would have been better to stay with Quantum in the Craig era and to move on to SPECTRE (if at all) first after Craig is replaced by another Bond actor. Now that we have already had SPECTRE back in Bond24, it would be good to have at least one more Craig film in order to find a more "complete" ending for the Craig era.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 19,339
    Hopefully option 'A'...the last thing the series now needs is a reboot..SPECTRE is back,so that opens up a lot more storylines and options...rebooting after 4 films is not a good idea.

    Even if DC leaves the role,the series must continue without rebooting again .
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 11,119
    I was starting to shed some more light on this recent article (August 14th) in which Showtime says Daniel Craig could be available after he finished filming Todd Field's ("Little Children", "In The Bedroom", great films!) new TV-Series "Purity":

    http://www.australianetworknews.com/next-james-bond-movie-daniel-craig-irreplaceable/

    And then I compared it with the legal difficulties Pierce Brosnan was facing when he almost came James Bond in 1986. NBC then (bastards!) in the blink of an eye renewed his contract for more "Remmington Steele" episodes.

    So here's why I think Daniel Craig will be back in 2019 for a 5th time as James Bond 007:

    --> The above recent article makes me think that the Broccoli's made sure that the contract Craig signed with Showtime did not include wishy-washy clausules, so that they could sign Craig up for another season if "Purity" becomes a success. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a legally binding 'sub-contract' in place between Showtime and EON Productions, in which EON Productions has more reason to smile :-).
    Showtime CEO David Nivens said this about it:
    “It depends when they do the next James Bond movie, but I don’t think it precludes him is the answer. [Purity] will largely be completed during the course of 2017, depending how long they’re [EON Productions] willing to wait and shoot the next Bond. There might be some breaks somewhere, but [production] will be fairly continuous,”
    So Showtime already depends on what EON wants. I think it would be the smartest thing to do, to have a contract between Showtime and EON. If someone could do some research on this matter, then this would be great :-).

    --> Moreover, it gives the Broccoli's more time to work out a new distribution deal between EON and MGM on one hand and another big film distributor on the other hand (Most likely Warner Bros.? Universal perhaps?) And, a much better distribution deal, in which MGM could slowly roll out some distribution efforts on its own again?

    --> Also, don't forget they made Daniel Craig co-producer. I refuse to believe Craig snubs the Broccoli's by throwing away his co-producer credits. People really underestimate what it means to be co-producer. As co-producer, Craig’s the first Bond actor to have input into director, script and every aspect of production, which means that “Bond 25” offers a powerful creative inducement.

    --> And lastly, Daniel Craig's 5-film contract is still in place (check the legislative registers of movie contracts). So the longer all these negotiations take -MGM still searching for a distributor, Gary Barber saying "Bond films will premiere in a three-to-four-year cycle", Barbara not very keen on making one Bond film every two years- the more interested Daniel Craig could be in reprising his two contracted positions at EON: Co-producer of the James Bond films and an Actor portraying 007.

    http://www.indiewire.com/2016/05/daniel-craig-return-james-bond-tom-hiddleston-jamie-bell-1201682322/

    If you ask me? I'm in for the wait! I'm in for a 2019 premiere of Bond #25 (2018 might be a bit too soon). I'm in for the wait, I'm in for the wonderful co-producer Mr Craig! Because I'm foremost a patient, noble and humble Bond fan who loves Daniel Craig and who doesn't give a f*#k about how fast other spy franchises want to produce a another Bond-esque film :-).

    PS: Is that topic still alive on the MI6-forums in which everyone in here predicts who'll follow Craig's footsteps? Trust me, close it :-)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    When Craig is done, I am quite positive that a new continuity will be created again with the new actor, who will star in likely more "old school" films that show Bond already at his peak. Can't say I'm overly excited for the idea of a return to those kinds of old school, formulaic Bond films, but I don't see it going any other way.
  • Posts: 11,119
    When Craig is done, I am quite positive that a new continuity will be created again with the new actor, who will star in likely more "old school" films that show Bond already at his peak. Can't say I'm overly excited for the idea of a return to those kinds of old school, formulaic Bond films, but I don't see it going any other way.

    I think the best solution for the longevity of the franchise, is to do the same as what has been done with Connery: Casting a new actor (Moore/Lazenby) that is part of the same timeline as was kicked off by Daniel Craig..
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