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The way the screen blanks out on his laugh is probably the most suspicious bit: seems like it's just this audio, as you say. It's annoying that folks feel they have to fake this stuff: the audio may well be real but if they have faked the image then it confuses the whole matter. The version on YouTube does feature the distortion however:
Haha!
I've seen that recently. A brilliant piece of retconning there! :))
That's hilarious, and about as believable as this LTK one!
The YouTube video I found wasn't distorted. Just look up LTK workprint.
About the distortion, what format was this supposed to be? I can't think of a wide-screen format that is prone to that kind of distortion.
You mean this one? Posted two years after the distorted one above?
Just old VHS or the like.
"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? James Bond knows."
My mistake, the one I found was on Facebook from 2017.
But old VHS in a wide-screen format, with the black bars totally unmolested by distortion? Odd.
Also, if you play textual critic, you will note that only Tim has different bits, and none of the "cut" dialogue is mundane. The scene also flows much more smoothly without it, and that's rarely the case when you cut every other line of dialogue out of a scene. It's like how we can find interpolations in the New Testament!
It's a shame he didn't say "Compliments of that idiot, Sharkey!" The insults in this fan edit don't really make sense.
It's horizontal distortion- you won't be able to see the bars moving side-to-side because they're black and featureless.
Any early pre-production cuts of the film are hardly going to be in pan and scan.
Maybe, but I'm not sure it'd be that easy to find clips of Tim where the performance matches. Also: is this sequence music-free in the finished movie?
I'm on the fence, the lack of a laughing shot is odd so I can well believe that the audio is more authentic than the images.
Sharkey s ghost: "Who s the idiot now, Bond?"
And indeed, it would be hard to get clips of Tim saying all this stuff, but this is just a guy impersonating growly Tim.
https://fb.watch/aCwO9osH4L/
Just that the audio is old. I suppose maybe the audio of one scene could have been found five years ago, and then a couple years later, the video of the one same scene was found, albeit distorted in convenient and artificial ways. And this one twice-rediscovered moment of a workprint contained a significant amount of weird, nonsensical and surprising dialogue from one character. I mean, maybe. I tend not to assume the less likely thing though.
I found the treatment of Pam in the script ridiculous. They inserted a crush-plus-jealousy-and-broken-heart sub-plot straight out of a tv show for pre-teens to watch...
To me, a magically note-perfect impression of Dalton is less likely. Yes, it's been around a couple of years, again not proof of anything.
And no: nothing says that the audio was found first on its own, your Facebook link says they took the audio from the 'workprint' and placed it over the footage from the BluRay, most probably ripping it from the same distorted video we've seen. Just because you saw that version first doesn't mean it was the first version.
Yes, that did rather cheapens the character. The first example, perhaps, of the soap opera stuff we were to see more regularly in the Bond films that came after this, culminating in the Craig era. The part where she mocks Lupe by saying "I love James soooo much!" is painful to watch. I'm still a big LTK and Dalton fan though. I think it's the better film out of the two he did.
I guess? I've heard equally "magical" impressions on Bond podcasts. And I've seen fake and parody Bond clips.
I've never seen a single scene from an otherwise unknown workprint appear in various (there's a version without "slut") anonymously-sourced forms with a significant amount of uncharacteristic and odd dialogue. Also never seen a horizontal hold issue on what seems to be a digital file not recorded off an old TV screen.
Do you suppose the entire "workprint" is visually identical to the released film, but with 40-50% of the dialogue different in startling ways? Or do you suppose only the one workprint scene recovered by this anonymous hero happens to be so novel?
Could it be from another film or tv series?
The lines don’t appear on the final shooting script, as it matches more with what we saw on final cut. This was likely someone just having fun on the Internet.
Go on then, let's hear one. And not 'I guess?'- you know I'm right.
Again, not proof. I'm fairly sure I've seen lots of horizontal hold over the years. Search for 'VHS horizontal jitter'- you'll find lots of examples.
Stop being a dick. Yes, if it's real it may just be this scene of interest. I'm pointing out why your reasons don't make sense, I'm not disagreeing that it could be fake. I've not heard an impression fit that well with existing dialogue, obviously you have. Just leave it at that because as per usual communicating with you has become unpleasant.
I tend to agree that it's more likely fake than not, but I don't know how they did the lines. I've not heard a Tim impression that good, even from folks who think they can do it.
And this “workprint” has already been debunked.
A couple people have called into James Bond Radio and done better impressions. Would have been on listener reviews shows.
And you haven't pointed out why some mildly Bayesian consideration of prior probabilities doesn't make sense. You've displayed the skepticism of a turnip and called me a vulgar name! I can only hope this is a fake mtm workprint. :D
We can't! I think it's an impression. Most of it leans into what an impressionist would do, like the way he digs into "lying", "slut", and "alive". Of course, on the other hand, "Idiot!" sounds so bad and stupid, it may be taken from somewhere else. It doesn't even sound like it matches the other audio to me.
It’s been uttered and written since the 1900s, but CLUELESS certainly turned it into popular phrase.
Though I think it was often accompanied by another word, like “sure, whatever” “yeah, whatever”, “okay, whatever”.
Timothy Dalton's James Bond bloody well didn't! :)) That almost seemed deliberately comic.