The Award Winning : 'Bond...comments while you watch...'

1118119121123124771

Comments

  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,722
    I like Volpe and Largo talking over clay pigeon shooting. Shame they didn't get more scenes together.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,722
    'No - but I know a little about women.' Still one of my favourite Bond lines and Connery deliveries ever.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,722
    Fiona looks like she's been doing a spot of gardening with that outfit she wears when she and the henchmen kidnap Paula.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,369
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I know that many on here say that the first half of YOLT drags a bit for them, to me the first hour moves at a fast, exciting pace. I really enjoy the second half as well, but I find the first half stronger.

    100% Agree! If we were only rating first half of Bond films, YOLT would likely be in the top 5 of my ranking. Burial at sea, sumo, Henderson, the ensuing infiltration and fight into Osato, the fight at the docks is tremendous. You can see why they switched Aki and Kissy's actresses, despite a partial language barrier, Aki and Connery pull off some really impressive chemistry and it's a heartbreaker when she is poisoned.

    It's at Little Nellie that things start to turn for me. Q telling Bond every feature of the toy and then we have to wait over an overlong scene for all of the features to be used that we know are coming, with no real danger ever present. The turning Japanese and wedding scenes are ok in concept, but needed to be much shorter. Mie's lesser chemistry makes the wedding and subsequent scenes drag. The Volcano base finale is classic, but it takes some time to get there.
    I like the travelogue aspect of YOLT - I enjoy that about the book too - even though it's indulgent I enjoy the languid pace. YOLT has lavish indulgence everywhere. The soundtrack is a stunner too.

    I can't agree more, it's part of why our vacation this year was to Tokyo. From walking through different shooting locations to bathing in a traditional Japanese onsen, while having the soundtrack playing was one of the more soothing experiences of my life!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Little Nellie is precisely the turning point of the film for me too. I noticed that on a few recent rewatches. Up to that point I'd even rate it top five, it's so good.
  • Posts: 11,189
    YOLT is the first film though where plot doesn't seem to be as important. Previous films had spent quite a bit of time establishing the story. Here the pacing is a lot faster and there seems to be more emphasis on action.
  • Posts: 16,169
    Fiona looks like she's been doing a spot of gardening with that outfit she wears when she and the henchmen kidnap Paula.

    "Don't let her make so much noise!"

    I love TB. For the longest time it was my number one Bond film.
    Dominio just grabbing a ride on a giant turtle

    Years ago in college I was taking French courses and participating in a French theatre company for extra credit. I had found a mailing address for Claudine Auger on a Bond fan website, so for practice as my grammar was bad, I wrote a fan letter to my favorite Domino.
    I photo copied a couple pictures of her from the Rubin James Bond Films book, and another Bond magazine and sent it hoping for an autograph. I thought the odds were slim it would ever get to her, hence the crummy photocopies. Lo and behold about two weeks later an envelope arrived with the two pictures signed. Too bad I didn't have a glossy 8X10 color still.

    To this day, Claudine Auger remains my favorite Bond girl.

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?
  • Posts: 16,169
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    It just feeds fuel to the codename theory the way Mathis being a codename does.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    He is a criminal, so using an alias makes sense.

    You re not really James Bond Kenya either, are you? (If you are, kudos to your parents.)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    He is a criminal, so using an alias makes sense.
    True. RE: Rodriguez, as I recall he was supposed to be dead with his name on the memorial wall. So it made sense to use the alias to avoid possible detection. Also, it plays in to the colour theory for Spectre operatives (White, Green'e', Silva'er'), although I'll admit that's a stretch given his involvement in the grand scheme to bring down Bond was retrofitted clumsily after the fact.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,812
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    It just feeds fuel to the codename theory the way Mathis being a codename does.
    Would be even more clear without the typo of "Silva" vice "Silver".

    But more seriously: Mathis was not a codename. That's clear, right?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    It just feeds fuel to the codename theory the way Mathis being a codename does.
    Would be even more clear without the typo of "Silva" vice "Silver".

    But more seriously: Mathis was not a codename. That's clear, right?

    Why would he lie about that?
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    Posts: 7,021
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    He is a criminal, so using an alias makes sense.

    You re not really James Bond Kenya either, are you? (If you are, kudos to your parents.)

    We all use our real names here.

    What, your name is not Thunderfinger? :O
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    It just feeds fuel to the codename theory the way Mathis being a codename does.
    Would be even more clear without the typo of "Silva" vice "Silver".

    But more seriously: Mathis was not a codename. That's clear, right?

    Why would he lie about that?

    I always thought he said” was Mathis your given name”- “ well it’s not very good is it”

    As opposed to “ was Mathis your cover name”

    But I haven’t checked the subtitles so I’m not sure which one it is
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'm a big believer in "to each his or her own" when it comes to Bond appreciation, but people who enjoy SP yet hate SF must see the world the opposite that I do in every way. I find Mendes' first (despite some flaws) so clearly and resoundingly more enjoyable and of higher quality than his second that I must conclude that either I, and those that think as I do, or they must be under some form of mass delusion or hypnosis. Both truths cannot exist in the same reality.

    Yeah their both not very good bond films. I just did a back to back watching of them on Saturday and they are entertaining enough, but CR and QOS are far superior. I remember there was a member on here way back that hated CR because he found it unrealistic but loved SF. People continue to amaze me

    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    He is a criminal, so using an alias makes sense.

    You re not really James Bond Kenya either, are you? (If you are, kudos to your parents.)

    You mean “my given name” no. Is your “ given name” thunder finger

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited December 2017 Posts: 13,812
    But more seriously: Mathis was not a codename. That's clear, right?
    Why would he lie about that?
    It's not so much a lie as a final droll exchange between Bond and Mathis, before the last serious comments. The dialog isn't to be taken literally.

    Bond to Mathis: Is Mathis your cover name?
    [He's asking if Mathis bothered to use a cover name before reentering his old stomping grounds in South America.]
    Mathis: Yes.
    [By "yes", he confirms he used his own name, Mathis, and didn't bother with a true cover name. It was the death of him.]
    Bond: Not a very good one, is it?
    [Some dark humor between professionals.]
    Mathis: (painful laugh)

    The point of Mathis is he's as pure as newfallen snow, even if Le Chiffre put it into question with his "my friend Mathis" comment. But Mathis has stuck around a little too long in the business, and he's careless to not consider old friends could have turned to new organizations opposite his own.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    So it is open to interpretation, then.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,812
    Yes. But there's nothing really to show the intent of the filmmakers to marginalize this great Fleming character. He's Mathis, never called anything but. If a code name or cover name was part of his backstory, it would have been known to Bond either before the Casino Royale mission or after the interrogation with torture that got Mathis the Italian villa.

    Here's another example of what I'm saying is dialog not to be taken literally.

    M to Bond: I would ask you if you could remain emotionally detached...
    ...but I don't think that's your problem, is it, Bond?

    Bond: No.


    But of course M's mistaken, that is his problem, it's built into the character.
    That's what these subtle turns in the dialog are calling attention to.
  • Posts: 16,169
    But more seriously: Mathis was not a codename. That's clear, right?
    Why would he lie about that?
    It's not so much a lie as a final droll exchange between Bond and Mathis, before the last serious comments. The dialog isn't to be taken literally.

    Bond to Mathis: Is Mathis your cover name?
    [He's asking if Mathis bothered to use a cover name before reentering his old stomping grounds in South America.]
    Mathis: Yes.
    [By "yes", he confirms he used his own name, Mathis, and didn't bother with a true cover name. It was the death of him.]
    Bond: Not a very good one, is it?
    [Some dark humor between professionals.]
    Mathis: (painful laugh)

    The point of Mathis is he's as pure as newfallen snow, even if Le Chiffre put it into question with his "my friend Mathis" comment. But Mathis has stuck around a little too long in the business, and he's careless to not consider old friends could have turned to new organizations opposite his own.

    All the years watching QOS I didn't catch that. I'll have to pop in that scene again.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    I never took it that way. Thing is... I don’t see the sense in it because it’s a set of words twisted to see that point of view.

    Bond was just asking whether Mathis was actually his cover name, attempting to know the true man behind the alias now that he’s dying. It was more like a friend trying to learn something from a dying one, so he wouldn’t go forgotten.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,812
    The way I took it from the start to me fits the story.

    Mathis is a great Fleming character and the filmmakers really mined greatness out of him in two films. It's different than the novels--he doesn't get to say the Nature of Evil speech, book Mathis' motives are never in question, and in the film he doesn't last many many missions--but it's a more focused, refined appearance than so many of Bond's very best missions partners. So the light that burns twice as brightly burns half as long. No one else got a death scene and focus like this. They're not just passing acquaintances, they have a deeper connection.

    The idea of Mathis not being his name marginalizes the character and adds an unnecessary complication to it all. A cover name Bond doesn't know. Why? He was in cahoots with Quantum after all? Or holding secrets kept by MI6? Doesn't help the story to introduce an idea with that intent and not develop it.

    So I see it the way I see it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    It just feeds fuel to the codename theory the way Mathis being a codename does.
    Would be even more clear without the typo of "Silva" vice "Silver".

    But more seriously: Mathis was not a codename. That's clear, right?

    Why would he lie about that?

    I always thought he said” was Mathis your given name”- “ well it’s not very good is it”

    As opposed to “ was Mathis your cover name”

    But I haven’t checked the subtitles so I’m not sure which one it is
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'm a big believer in "to each his or her own" when it comes to Bond appreciation, but people who enjoy SP yet hate SF must see the world the opposite that I do in every way. I find Mendes' first (despite some flaws) so clearly and resoundingly more enjoyable and of higher quality than his second that I must conclude that either I, and those that think as I do, or they must be under some form of mass delusion or hypnosis. Both truths cannot exist in the same reality.

    Yeah their both not very good bond films. I just did a back to back watching of them on Saturday and they are entertaining enough, but CR and QOS are far superior. I remember there was a member on here way back that hated CR because he found it unrealistic but loved SF. People continue to amaze me

    Why does Silva change his name from Tiago Rodriguez?

    He is a criminal, so using an alias makes sense.

    You re not really James Bond Kenya either, are you? (If you are, kudos to your parents.)

    You mean “my given name” no. Is your “ given name” thunder finger

    It is гром палец
  • Posts: 7,437
    Damn - forgot how fun that plane dogfight is. Great ending too. That has rocketed up my Bond action set pieces list!

    Always thought that set piece was great. And its Craig who sells it! Very overlooked action scene and i dont even mind the freefall ending, but they could have done it better!
  • Posts: 7,437
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'm a big believer in "to each his or her own" when it comes to Bond appreciation, but people who enjoy SP yet hate SF must see the world the opposite that I do in every way. I find Mendes' first (despite some flaws) so clearly and resoundingly more enjoyable and of higher quality than his second that I must conclude that either I, and those that think as I do, or they must be under some form of mass delusion or hypnosis. Both truths cannot exist in the same reality.

    Its a bit like your defence of DAD. I find that a bit delusional. Recent posts with fav lists have it bottom, where it is in my list! We cant all be wrong!! Regards SP, I would still put it ahead of SF, which i just struggle to enjoy as its so dull!
    SP, admittedly has a crap final 20 mins but up to then there is much to enjoy! Apart from the set piece where Silva is introduced and Severines is killed i find little solace in the rest of SF and i can never see it breaking into my top ten!
  • Posts: 7,437
    Fair enough! Each to his own. I find the entire section in Rome in SP to be one of the most enjoyable sections in any Bond movie (and that includes the car chase!) And there is much more to enjoy. DAD is really abominable from start to finish! I've never viewed it any other way!
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 12,474
    SF > SP > DAD for me easily. SF easily beats both and stands as one of my all-time favorite Bond films. SP is a letdown in the final act, but for me has a lot more enjoyable scenes before that than DAD. DAD has maybe three or four scenes that I like, and the rest is just either meh or a total mess. DAD has a decent chance of claiming the bottom spot of my ranking next Bondathon.
  • Posts: 7,437
    I really like the opening surfing scene. Well filmed. Its an utter disaster from then on! In every way!
  • Posts: 16,169
    Everyone's favorite Timmy D film:

    THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS

    PTS- Bond nearly gets into a head on with FYEO henchman Michel Julienne
  • Posts: 16,169
    Belle Avery- dubbed

    TIMMY D

    "Better THAT Two"
  • Posts: 12,474
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Everyone's favorite Timmy D film:

    THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS

    PTS- Bond nearly gets into a head on with FYEO henchman Michel Julienne

    Not my favorite. LTK has the better villain and story for my taste. TLD is decent, but LTK is a longtime personal favorite of mine.
Sign In or Register to comment.