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There is an infinite amount of stuff that has no proof, they are just ideas. You cant waste your life away giving credence to all of these ideas. Just a waste of life.
I'll give out another one:
"Some pigs can fly." Anyone want to be open minded about that? Anyone have any evidence that its not true ? Anyone tried to research it themselves ?
Would that make it more likely that some pigs could fly? Would it make the miracle of pigs flying possible because I had claimed I had seen it? Would anyone take me at face value? Would it not be sensible and grown up to consider other options?
I'm a wind up merchant
I am genuinely mistaken
I am deluded
etc
These options would have to be considered first before moving on to consider the original statement as they are all more likely:
Thoughts?
People do this all the time re predictions. One persons prediction is another persons co-incidence. The facts are the same but they are interpreted differently.
That's not flying, that's falling with style. ;)
Damn, I was going to suggest that.
I'm taking the piss, obviously, but why I do it could be because of the kind of rhetoric or thinking you're talking about.
So we go out there and meet this woman, perfectly sane, lovely woman. I set up the new audio equipment for my friend and we go to what was the little boys bedroom. As many parents do, the mother had kept it just as it was left.
They attempt an EVP (electronic voice phenomena) recording now remember I am a sceptic and I have the recording equipment. My friend asks 3 questions "is there any one here?" "are you male or female?" "What is your favourite item in this room?"
We play back the recording
"is there any one here?" Nothing
"are you male or female?" As clear as day "Boy"
"What is your favourite item in this room?" "Giraffe"
At this point the Mother starts sobbing and we are looking around. She gets up walks to the back of the room to a cupboard, opens the door and pulls out a stuffed toy Giraffe and says there were two in a set, one was buried with him.
I freaked out and went home.
Many Scots share that view. That's the way I feel about Oklahoma...except I've been there :( ...my only solace is as long as I don't look at or acknowledge Oklahoma it doesn't exist.
Ghost on the other hand I'm not sure.
How many times was was the experiment repeated ?
And did those experiments give similar results ?
Was more than one recording device used ?
How many independent witnesses, took part ?
How many independent investigators, examined the recording ?
Odd, said kid didn't ask for his Mummy ? I thought they might
Have had a Bond of some sort.
Or .....
Did a couple of guys, decided it would be funny to put a mother
Through, even more trauma. Of possibly hearing the anguish of
Her child ?
Sadly playing at being a scientific investigator, is not the same as
Retrieving professional, useable evidence. As far as I can see there's still
Just as much evidence for @patb's flying pigs.
With that, I'll slip back Into the shadows.
Things like Oklahoma, tectonic plates and black holes all have wads of proof and evidence backing them up but all ghosts have (despite being a part of human culture and folklore for centuries before the above were even conceived),even now, are random people saying 'You'll never guess what I saw'.
Your childhood story could make one hell of a ghost story.
Link to the sound files please?
Any CCTV set up for the moving chairs at the breakfast table?
PS when the police carry out a PACE interview (formally under caution), two copies are made, one of the recordings is sealed and can only be opened by the instruction of the court. This is to ensure that the recording has not been altered/tampered with in any way. These are the standards of evidence that the UK judicial system expects when producing evidence for every case (from a murder to a minor offence) and rightly so. (plus the equipment plays over a time/date track to also ensure all is correct). And this is simply to record what one human has said. If we are to review evidence of ghosts (an extraordinary claim), we have every right to expect evidence of an equal or higher level PLUS those who are collecting evidence and trying to convince the rest of the World have a duty to have high evidential standards if they want to convince third parties.
Here is the backstory:
On his first visit to the Greensides farm, Yaphet Kotto. Along with five thousand people witnessed the sun dancing in the sky, spinning and turning and throwing off light in every direction, the owners of the Farm John and Sheila Greensides, as thousands of others believed it was one of the many apparitions that had been taking place on the farm, while Kotto believes what he saw was an unidentified flying object with no religious connotations at all, except when reports came back to Kotto that a woman was on the roof of a nearby church walking back and forth ,he filmed it. Now today faced with a 1995 letter from Archbishop Spence of the Kingston archdiocese in which he says, "It is the wish of the owners of the farm at Marmora that publicity not is given to the farm or its events, and I concur in this judgment." I'm not going to allow myself to be dictated to anymore by religious or church officials, I know what I saw and I standby it, those who say it was a miracle that's cool, I believe it was a UFO over the farm, What that was over the roof of the church? I cant say, I'm not a Catholic, but I'm NOT going to let Archbishop Spence tell me what the hell to do, the government and the church should start coming clean about this kind of phenomenon instead of the constant stream of cover-ups and lies.
Here is the video:
I would add to this that however sincere is the grieving mother, her own experience and emotional state make her testimony very unreliable. Same with the person wishing to create is own ghost watch show. There is here a huge risk of confirmation bias. It does not mean ghosts are not real. It means that this story is at best poor evidence for their existence.
reasoned, scientific discussion, sensible explanations will ever be enough to
disprove the " phenomenon " . A guy with a phone, is all the empirical evidence
they need.
Sorry @Dragonpol we agree on many things but not this subject.
And this shows what precisely?
A trick of the light? A hoax? It looks to me that there is a third tower with an onion dome that is under peculiar light conditions. But people see what they want to I guess.
The very best you can say is it shows something inexplicable but there are a million and one hypotheses you would have to test before coming to the conclusion 'OK the only rational explanation must be that it is a ghost'.
It's appalling logic to say 'I can't explain something therefore that is proof ghosts exist.'
@TheWizardOfIce, same with, "I'm too stupid to understand science so I'm going to call something *an act of God*".
This book is poorly titled as it actually deals with why humans beleive in many things, worth a read. I will leave you to judge which is the more valuable? Mr Kotto's holiday video or this lecture from the author.
Thank you. That sounds interesting reading.
Without wishing to upset some forum members "Why do some people beieve in ghosts?" is a much more interest question than "do ghosts exist?"