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Of course they are. We all did as children unless one was very cynical indeed. My point was meant in jest, though.
Yes, I see what you mean. We can believe a thing all that we want. It doesn't mean it is true by virtue of that alone.
Absolutely. And in this time of year, approaching so closely to Halloween, it's fascinating to study the importance of these tales of the supernatural in our collective culture, and why certain images of phantoms, witches, werewolves and vampires all remain with us to this day so vividly, no matter where we stand on the belief spectrum.
Its a bit rich to suddenly speak common sense at this stage isn't it?
I remember when I was a kid I used to have a book by Arthur C Clarke (called something like Arthur C Clarke's Mysterious World or World of the Unexplained I think) which featured fascinating stuff like UFOs, voodoo, ghosts, Loch Ness Monster, premonitions, fire walkers etc.
Fascinating stuff, especially as a kid, but obviously I grew to realise that most of the time these things were just hoaxes, tricks of the mind or people just wanting to believe.
The one thing that seemed impossible to argue with at the time was fakirs walking on hot coals. This seemed utterly beyond normal scientific reason as clearly one should suffer serious burns when walking on hot coals. But modern physics has shown it's merely a trick of conduction.
Are there things in the universe that we can't explain? Yes of course.
Is a good way to explain such phenomena to come up with an utterly random hypothesis and vehemently stick to it with a dearth of supporting evidence? Of course not.
So try not to die in the shower if you can help it!
I was not merely talking of pictures. Yes, some things cannot be photographed, but there are other ways to detect something's existence. So I meant if there is apparently no way whatsoever to record their presence but the claims of the believers, then how can we assess the veracity of said claim?
I have seen a ghost. I am telling you this. As clearly as I see myself in the mirror or this computer screen. Now as you know, ghosts cannot be photographed. As we have seen in a previous story on this thread, recording them on video or audio document does not work very well. But the ghost was/is very real. I just don't have any way to show you that there was a ghost. But you can trust my testimony: I am not mad and there is no history of madness in my family, I don't take drugs and was perfectly sober when I saw the ghost. So that must count for something. Now do you accept my claim as true?
What we have seen here on this thread so far, but also pretty much everywhere when claims of supernatural encounters were made (and you can add to the list miracles, alien abductions, lake monster sightings, what have you) is very dubious evidence (to use the term charitably), untrustworthy testimonies (even by sincere believers) and rather anecdotal and equivocal experiences to begin with (shapes being seen, noise being heard, voice saying "very distinctly" a few words). Oh and dodgy pictures, videos and an audio record apparently nobody heard for a decade.
'Yeah I had cast iron proof of existence of the afterlife that could have solved the mystery of what happens to us after we die, or, at the very least, made me a shit load of cash off gullible fools but you know how it is. I left it in a box in the garage and then when we moved it got slung out along with a Sodastream, a Breville toasted sandwich maker and a bag of charcoal briquettes I bought for a barbecue in 1989 but never got round to using'.
Yes, and I would also believe you if you said you had not.
This is because I know you as a rational person, and because of personal experince.
you can't argue with Hillbilly science. =))
As it's true you can't photograph Heat, gas, viruses, microbes. As we can't see them
so we can't photograph them ! ...... or measure their effects on the environment, like "gravity"
so obviously can't exist. :))
That's the trouble with these discussions, as one side shows a complete lack of even basic
knowledge of elementary science. =)) I have to assume it was a joke.
Wow. Well, you'd be completely unjustified in your belief. Personal experience counts for nothing as evidence. Regardless of my sincerity I could be mistaken for a number of reasons. Even if I had seen a ghost I would not expect anyone to believe me given the poor amount of evidence in said example. Heck, before assessing what I had seen as a ghost I would myself be very sceptical of my experience.
And I am also wondering: according to you ghosts can't be photographed... but they can be seen distinctly by human eyes? How does that even work?
But infra-red and untraliolet cameras have been used to track ghosts to no avail.
So perhaps ghosts use a frequency of light that is beyond our knowledge and some people have brains that can also process that light?
These are the games that you have to play in order to fit ghosts within the structure of physics....and it's all rather desperate. So not only do we have ghosts but humans with special brains that can perceive special light.
Keep digging.
More Hillbilly science,
Is it okay for mediums to lie to their client if those lies give the person comfort, like telling them their loved one is at peace, there is a heaven, etc., or is it absolutely wrong on every conceivable account that they manipulate people emotionally in these ways and they should be taken to great task on it?
I flip flop on this issue from time to time. While in moments I think some need those feelings of comfort, other times I'm downright pissed off that some mediums manipulate the emotions of others and engage in shyster tactics with these people who are thirsting for any hope, especially those mediums with TV shows that are already involved in some form of exploitation for entertainment cruelty anyway.