"The things we do for frequent flyer mileage"...GoldenEye Appreciation and Discussion.

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @bondjames let's not forget the new 'The Mummy' with Cruise being the main star. The first 2 of these films with Brendan Frazer were childhood highlights for me. Action/adventure/horror with Cruise (and also featuring Russell Crowe), I am really interested what 'The Mummy' in Cruise-mode will be like. Insane how Cruise may be head-lining 3 action franchises during most of his 50's (M:I, Mummy and Jack Reacher).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm intrigued by The Mummy as well @DaltonCraig007.

    I loved the first one, but wasn't too keen on the sequels. Arnold Voslo was incredible.

    I really don't see Cruise as a fit for it though (versatile though he undoubtedly is), and that's what makes it something I'm really curious to see. I hope it's darker than the originals.
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    Has this thread been derailed already?!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @Getafix, you're right of course.

    GE is a top 6 film of mine and it deserves all the appreciation it gets around here. In fact, I think it's underappreciated. Brosnan was actually quite good in it too.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Murdock wrote: »
    The Experience of Love is a delight.
    It's a good tune, if a little ill fitting.
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    GE has one of the best main title sequences and one of the best theme songs in all of Bond.

    I know you don't like GoldenEye but its great to see you defend the theme song. Quite a few fans don't seem very keen on it but its always been one of my favourites.

    Also, this scene is just for you @Thunderfinger. Brilliantly acted by the two. Love the end bit with Ourumov putting on his hat in defiance.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Tcheky Karyo was brilliant in GE. He made quite an impression only with two scenes. Hugely charismatic and his line delivery is totally off the charts. Love this scene.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Acting is top notch in general in GE. Also no other Bond movie has brought out so many future stars.
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    Ouromov is my favourite in GE....
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Ouromov is my favourite in GE....[/quote

    I love the idea of the character. A seemingly powerful old-fashioned general who is actually controlled by other, younger forces.
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    Exactly,hence is an alcoholic and is determined to be the middle man between Janus and Onatopp...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    GE has one of the best main title sequences and one of the best theme songs in all of Bond.

    I know you don't like GoldenEye but its great to see you defend the theme song. Quite a few fans don't seem very keen on it but its always been one of my favourites.

    Also, this scene is just for you @Thunderfinger. Brilliantly acted by the two. Love the end bit with Ourumov putting on his hat in defiance.

    I actually like that scene. You remembered.
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    "Defence Minister...Dimitri Mishkin...murdered by British agent, James Bond (throws the gun to Bond)
    "Himself shot while...trying..to..escape. Guard!!"

    Love that.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    "Defence Minister...Dimitri Mishkin...murdered by British agent, James Bond (throws the gun to Bond)
    "Himself shot while...trying..to..escape. Guard!!"

    Love that.
    +1. Absolute perfection. Same goes for "You were saying something about the lost art of interrogation Mr. Bond?"
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    It's slipped a bit in my rankings in recent years but it's still Brosnan's best Bond film.

    It's that proper Bond film and coming 6 years after the abomination that was LTK it really was worth waiting for.

    I remember revelling in it when I first saw it at the Odeon Leicester Sq. So many Bondian moments that hit home.

    The excellent PTS
    An amazing title sequence
    Seeing the DB5 again in all its glory
    A really evil and sexy femme fatale
    a cracking M/Bond scene
    A witty script that didn't descend into farce
    Some great action set-pieces
    And a good solid performance from Brosnan.

    As I said, it has dropped in my rankings and it hasn't aged especially well.

    My only other beef is I just can't stand the Jack Wade character.

    From my own point of view it has come in for a kicking from the Craig Bonds in what I want from a Bond film. But it's the film that kickstarted the series after a potentially damaging delay. And as I said, it's a proper Bond film.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I'm tagging @Thunderfinger in this. This is very much his department.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I'm tagging @Thunderfinger in this. This is very much his department.

    Damn right. You can basically remove all other posts than mine. My posts should make up the whole thread.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I'm tagging @Thunderfinger in this. This is very much his department.

    Damn right. You can basically remove all other posts than mine. My posts should make up the whole thread.

    Of course, though couldn't you provide an edited version of the highlights?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I'm tagging @Thunderfinger in this. This is very much his department.

    Damn right. You can basically remove all other posts than mine. My posts should make up the whole thread.

    Of course, though couldn't you provide an edited version of the highlights?

    Easy.

    GoldenEye is the bloody best ever Bond film made, nothing comes close and Pierce Brosnan is a God.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I'm tagging @Thunderfinger in this. This is very much his department.

    Damn right. You can basically remove all other posts than mine. My posts should make up the whole thread.

    Of course, though couldn't you provide an edited version of the highlights?

    Easy.

    GoldenEye is the bloody best ever Bond film made, nothing comes close and Pierce Brosnan is a God.

    For a long time I would have agreed with you and it's still a film I'm very fond of. However I don't think it holds up as well alongside Campbell's other Bond film, which feels more confident and grown up.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Truth seeps in...
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    I think Campbell was fairly new to bigger budget film directing when he did GE and was mainly known for his TV drama work on Edge of Darkness. I sort of see what people mean when they say GE looks like a bigger budget TV movie at times (though I still think it looks more stylish than LTK did).

    By CR he'd had more experience in directing big action movies and it shows.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    I love Goldeneye it's definitely on my top 5 films and had sucha great cast, had two great Villians and Pierce Brosnan definitely showed why he was the right guy for Bond.

    Pierce was perfect since his very first scene and his Bond introduction at the Casino was very well done loved it.
    I would have only changed his hairstyle and would have done something different for his suits and Tauxedo they looked a little big.
  • Goldeneye was the perfect Bond film for the time and is still an amazing Bond film today (it's in my top 5).

    I think watching it now it's easy to forget how modern it felt at the time. And I honestly think that's why a lot of fans don't like it. @Getafix called it charmless and I remember @actonsteve or someone making a similar statement before, that the older entries have a "charm" that's absent here, but I think that's down to a purposeful decision to shake things up. It really feels like a new era. Even the weaker 60s-80s films had the usual home comforts. But in GE it's a real fresh start. No more Universal Export with M's old fashioned office. Instead Bond is over at the Vauxhall Cross building. Binder's gunbarrel gets a slick new update and he's been ditched for the title sequence, instead we get a brilliant CGI sequence from Daniel Kleinman. Bond also gets a reinvention. He's very much an 80s-90s action hero. The way he guns down guards in the archives is a far cry from Moore cumbersomely taking potshots with the PPK. But personally I loved all this. I loved how it felt so fresh and modern yet at the same time hit all the right beats to remind you that this was a Bond film. It's the Bond formula done right imo. Nothing wrong with sticking to the formula as long as you make it feel fresh and exciting, and Goldeneye does this by approaching the formula with lots of confidence, energy, and with a handful of genuinely brilliant, original ideas and concepts. It isn't afraid to subvert the formula either, but not in a pretentious mocking way.

    In the end the best thing I can say about GE is that while it may not be perfect or an example of high art, it's one of the few Bond films where everything just comes together perfectly. Just the right mix of reality, fantasy, action, drama, character beats, with some great stunts, tremendous lines of dialogue, a brilliant cast to do it all justice, and just an overall sense of freshness, excitement and energy that make it an easy film to rewatch. It's one of those Bond films where you can really tell that everyone involved was really, really firing on all cylinders to make it a hit (the only thing that lets it down here is the score, imo, but even that has some great memorable cues). And personally I prefer it when they focus on making a really good, enjoyable Bond film than focusing on winning Oscars or making them more "grown up" (not saying a nice balance can't be reached though, it has been before).
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    I think its very fair to say "of it's time", I remember walking from the cinema totally "pumped" from seeing it and wanting to see it again. Thats what a Bond movie is all about. It has not aged as well as other movies but is it the directors roll to make a long term classic or something that is loved within it's own time period?
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    GE has changed from : Now to fresh to trendy to admired etc and is now at the' fondly remembered stage of its progression as time moves on....BUT it is still loved,and THAT is what makes a good Bond film.
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    I can understand why gunning down numerous minions with a machine gun is despised by the older fans ("he thinks, he's not a Rambo", as Timothy Dalton said despite the fact Rambo only actually killed one person in his first film).

    However, I think in GoldenEye's case the machine gun action sequence in the archives was genuinely exciting due to the editing. Also, as Bond and Natalya were in a building with A LOT of heavily armed guards it raised the stakes.

    It was more in the subsequent films that it became tedious. Bond suddenly held one machine gun in each hand and "popped" bad guys left right and centre.

    In GoldenEye its still (vaguely) plausible - much like Daniel Craig invading the embassy in Casino Royale.
  • BAIN123 wrote: »
    GE has one of the best main title sequences and one of the best theme songs in all of Bond.

    I know you don't like GoldenEye but its great to see you defend the theme song. Quite a few fans don't seem very keen on it but its always been one of my favourites.

    Also, this scene is just for you @Thunderfinger. Brilliantly acted by the two. Love the end bit with Ourumov putting on his hat in defiance.

    GE had the best supporting cast.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    GE was and is awesome. It is INVINCEEBUL!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    GE has one of the best main title sequences and one of the best theme songs in all of Bond.

    I know you don't like GoldenEye but its great to see you defend the theme song. Quite a few fans don't seem very keen on it but its always been one of my favourites.

    Also, this scene is just for you @Thunderfinger. Brilliantly acted by the two. Love the end bit with Ourumov putting on his hat in defiance.

    GE had the best supporting cast.

    Tchécky Karyo, fantastic actor!
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