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I know it is but other media outlets have also reported this and it is based on independent research, so it's not quite of the Daily Star level of flippancy, for instance. I'm more of a Times (of London) person myself but it was the media outlet that had the most detail on this story and so I shared it here.
Mostly that is true regarding UFOs, but not entirely. There were unusual craft seen in the skies prior to this in the nineteenth century and earlier although admittedly these were less of the flying saucer variety and more generally of the "unidentified flying object" ilk. Here's one famous example from 1897 for instance:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_airship
I have no doubts that sophisticated alien civilisations exist. I simply doubt any of them will or can visit us while we as a species are still here.
May I offer a reading suggestion? Cixin Liu's excellent The Three-Body Problem book trilogy is the very best and most intelligent what-if I've read so far. It plays with concepts in physics that almost make me a UFO-rian. ;-) (You'll need to not be too bothered by the author's real-life politics, though.)
Fully agree. If there is an infinite universe, the probability is that there's bound to be some other intelligent population (provided one thinks that ours is intelligent, and my doubts in that regard keep increasing). But the odds of them never making contact with us are also infinite. Plus I always keep thinking (same goes for time travel): If they had already made it here, why wouldn't anyone already have reported on it?
To quote Arthur C Clark: Even the very closest star systems will always be decades or centuries apart; no Warp Six will ever get you from one episode to another in time for next week’s installment. The great Producer in the Sky did not arrange his program planning that way.
While there are propulsion systems that could theoretically achieve a meaningful fraction (i.e., 10 percent) of the speed of light, they involved a level of engineering that will probably be beyond us for some time. The first “nearer term” idea was discussed in the 1970s by the British Interplanetary Society, which would send an unmanned craft to a star some 6 light years away – which the trip taking about 50 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus
In his novel “The Songs of Distant Earth”, Clark postulated the development of a “Quantum Drive” in the year 3,500 which would allow crewed interstellar missions by tapping into the energies contained in the vacuum of space. While the trip times would still be measured in decades (and require hibernation), the use of a ramjet gets around the rocket formula issue that most Sci-Fi ignores – it takes just as much fuel to slow down at your destination as it does to get there, which squares the fuel mass required.
Clark, being Clark, based the propulsion system on actual studies of Ramjet fuel systems. Unfortunately, the ramjet systems would require the building of magnetic scoops the size of entire planets! But given several centuries of development………
BTW: In the novel, Earth’s sun goes nova (a bit early) in the year 3,640 which forces humankind to leave for the stars. Interestingly, once it was discovered that the Sun would go nova, “seed ships” were sent out first – often on missions that wouldn’t be completed until after the Earth was destroyed. Only later, at the last minute, did a chance calculation led to the discovery of the Quantum Drive.
Good book and Clark really fleshes out a couple of unforgettable characters in it.
Considering the mechanisms behind evolution, a gazillion parameters have to "fit" to make life even possible, especially complex, macroscopic life such as our own. However, the vastness of space and the billions upon billions of star systems out them almost necessitate that alien life exists. Throw a hundred dice once, and it's highly unlikely that they all yield a six. Throw them often enough, and you'll end up with a hundred sixes eventually.
'Creation' is not an intriguing notion, in my opinion. It's the kind of thinking that sets us back hundreds of years and only serves an arrogant, anthropocentric view. ;-)
I see. Glad we got that sorted out. 😉 I apologize if I was making assumptions too quickly.
I ty not to think of the universe in its earliest stages as an empty box, though. Rather, it's a universe permeated with fields out of which "precipitated" the particles that eventually formed atoms, which then formed molecules, and so on. In their eternal quest for ways to achieve more energetically favourable states, molecular systems reached higher levels of complexity, which eventually were able to use chemical reactions to sustain their own energy consumption/production. From that, life happened. And while each and every one of these steps is very "unlikely", the enormous time spent to get there made it almost "normal" for this sequence of strange events to lead to us (and others). It is nevertheless indeed very interesting and special.
There was a book about this subject (Why Does the World Exist?) where an interviewee speculated, tantalizingly, that the opposite of something isn't nothingness (the author made a point of using the word nothingness instead of nothing to be more clear and precise), but potentiality. Presumably, that would be analogous to the 'fields' you bring up. I think the person who stated this was trying to establish how it could be possible for something to seemingly come out of nothingness.
In this stage of potentiality, since there would have been no universe as we know it, there would have been no time, and therefore, no causality either.
I see what you mean, @ColonelSun, and I want you to know that I by no means intend to be disrespectful. All I can say is that the respectability of witnesses or the similarities in their accounts isn't enough to get me convinced at all. After all, the same argument could be used to support claims of ghost sightings, demonic possessions, the Virgin Mary appearing, and so on. Those stories too have been told by people of all levels of education and status. In fact, countless people have faced ridicule but have nevertheless stood by their stories. I am sure some of them really believe they saw what they described; that doesn't mean they saw things right or correctly interpreted their observations. Some people are rather trapped in a tunnel vision: they observed something they couldn't explain and started pulling notions from religion, popular beliefs or even TV to fill in the blanks, rather than hold out for an explanation that seems logical. And others still just want the attention.
It also remains a bit strange that most alien sightings were reported in some parts of America, mostly after we started talking about travelling into space, and also mostly after Hollywood had popularized the idea of aliens and flying saucers in the first place.
All we have are unfalsifiable accounts, by the way, because in a world full of cameras, aliens have been suspiciously good at staying hidden from us. That is, unless we give credit to fabricated YT videos or footage that shows something vague but doesn't eliminate every other explanation but aliens. It is also a coincidence that these aliens usually travel the way we would, seemingly bound to the same technology that we have, only somewhat fancier. To even get here, they would probably have to be able to manipulate the physics of wormholes or fundamental particles in ways we cannot even fathom today. To then assume that they would operate a large, clumsy metal disc, or something propelled by an engine, strikes me as absurd.
Lastly, why rob people of their memories? When we study ants or bacteria, do we keep our presence a secret from them? Seriously, why hide in the clouds or leave people behind with unexplained missing time? Understand that any civilisation advanced enough to even get here is to us what we are to maggots on dead meat. Are we hiding ourselves from such lower life forms for fear that they might know we are here? What would be the problem if they dropped by, studied us and then left while we saw them do it? Any civilisation powerful enough to travel between stars surely isn't afraid of a world that still burns fossile fuels. Nuclear bombs would be to them what a water pistol is to us. I never got the secrecy thing. It gives the whole affair a mysterious aura, that's for sure. And Hollywood loves that and so do we. But in the context of an actual alien invasion, it makes zero sense.
Just my two cents, of course. 😉
Speaking of Arthur C. Clarke:
https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/arthur-c-clarkes-mysterious-involement.html?m=1
Most UFO sightings do not just happen in America as you claim. That is far from the truth. Chile, Brazil, Australia, Alaska, UK, all over Europe, Russia etc. etc. all have sightings, cattle mutilations, and abduction reports. It's worldwide. So something's going on.
No one I've dealt with claims an alien invasion, but they are very interested in us - form what I've learnt, it's our DNA and genetics, our nuclear weapons, etc. etc. Remember, we are already exploring space as best we can. If there were Martians they would be looking up and, since the 1970's, be seeing UFOs landing and robotic rovers exploring their planet - those are our probes, and we are only 60 years into space exploration. You think an intelligent species, perhaps thousands and thousands of years more advanced than us wont be exploring space as well? Of course they will be.
You have your opinion, but it seems like you have not researched the subject. I've spent 4 years doing just that. I went into it with an open mind, but Jesus, the stuff I have learnt, been told, read, the experts within certain professional communities I am in contact with, including my project consultant etc., has left me in no doubt, we are not alone.
Then I'm wrong about reports of alien sightings being primarily an American hysteria and I happily stand corrected. Also, I have not researched the topic in the field, that is certainly true. I have, however, read more than my share of probability assessments, and while none exclude the possibility of aliens exploring space (neither do I), few are willing to lend much credence to the kind of alien abduction / cattle mutilation / crop circle stories that we often hear.
I appreciate your Martian analogy by the way, because that is my point. We aren't hiding our rovers behind rocks, or picking up samples while cloaked. We are there, soon even more prominently than before, for every hypothetical lifeform on Mars to see, completely exposed. So indeed, if alien scientists or explorers had already come here, I bet they would have been seen by us all. The reason I suspect delusion, fakery or at least a misinterpretation of observations in our currently available reports is that none of these reported incidents are anything but vague, mysterious, impossible to verify and always a case of just one or a handful of witnesses at best.
I am perfectly willing to accept that you have heard incredible stories, @ColonelSun. In truth, if you were to repeat your research in the field of demonic possessions or ghost appearences, you'd probably be just as astonished. I would be too. But I'd still not accept the amazing stories told because in the end, solid evidence is never available. The matter would have been settled ages ago if it were.
Let me repeat that I mean no disrespect at all. It's a fascinating subject and I would love to see concrete signs of technologically advanced alien life. I am convinced that there's more life out there than just our terrestrial biosphere. It shouldn't be too hard to eventually find microbiological life in space. But advanced civilisations would be very cool indeed. Also, I'm less concerned than many seem to be about our safety in that scenario. I don't automatically assume that alien researchers would also wipe us out. So yes, bring them. 😊 But, I like to keep an open mind too. So once you have finished your documentary, @ColonelSun, please let me know when and where I can see it.
Actually, it's not a doc, it's a drama, rooted in real life, about four very ordinary women, childhood friends, who experience something they cannot explain or emotionally and mentally handle. It's about the impact of a sighting and an apparent abduction and how these experience impact on their lives and friendships and their families. I've based this on the many interviews and talks I have had with people, like the ones I mentioned, who have had these experiences, but, after reporting what they saw or experienced, have endured scepticism, disbelief, outright hostility and even threats - yes, threats from strangers who seem to have an agenda to silence these people.
The poor ex-cop I mentioned, now an old man who have never wavered from his story in over 40 years, was told by his senior officers never to talk about what he saw. His colleagues mocked him. They reduced his work load to, basically push him out. He was even told he would be fired and lose his pension if he further discussed what happened to him. But a local reporter picked on the story and discovered there were at least six other local independent witnesses, all in different locations, who saw the same thing and at the same time the policeman did. Beaten down, he eventually gave up his job after being shunned and ridiculed. Even his wife wouldn't believe him or listen to him and she finally left him. No one puts themselves through that just to get attention. Awful. Tragic.
So that's my angle. No big VFX. Only hints of the visitors. A grounded drama.
Cool. It sounds interesting. And I mean that. Will the drama be ready soon or are you still filming, editing, ... ?
We are in script development. The whole 8 part series is outlined with detailed treatments. We are talking to several companies who are very interested in the project to lock down a co-pro deal. I'll keep you posted.
Thank you! And good luck making this happen. :-)
Exactly, the visitors, wherever they come from, and there are, from what I have learnt, more than one species observing us, are using very, very advanced technology and a masterly control of physics (beyond what we so far comprehend) to conceal themselves and their crafts as much as possible.
However, it seems, sometimes they want to send us a warning or a sign.
UFO sightings massively increased after we developed the nuclear bombs in the 1940's and then nuclear power to supply our needs - indeed there are documented and very disturbing accounts from the mid 1960's in which two nuclear missile sites in Montana had their Minute Men missiles shut down (meaning each individual launch code was breached one after another, which is impossible, even today) by glowing crafts observed above the secret bases. (Check out Robert Sarla online, who was the commander of one of the bases, in 1966, and listen to his sworn testimonies.)
In 1982, a Russian nuclear missile base in Ukraine spotted an unknown object above the base on radar and a missile code was breached and the countdown to launch the missile started. The panicked Russians could do nothing to stop it, but 15 seconds from launch, the object on the radar vanished and the countdown stopped.
In 2018, back in Montana, another US nuclear missile site had its missile codes breached. That's a warning. Don't fuck with nuclear bombs and splitting atoms - something which we know reverberates in the quantum universe - which, I suggest, any advanced species would understand and also pick up.
The infamous 1980 Rendlesham Forest case (look it up) at a Suffolk US military base is another example of this. It was the Cold War and nuclear missiles were - at that time - illegally housed in the base's underground bunkers. A diamond shaped craft was spotted by on duty soldiers, and also seen on radar, and it scanned the base with light (it seems they know how too use photons to gather data and much more - hence why most reported UFOs have bright lights, they sure as hell don't need lights to navigate or travel in space or through worm holes.) Colonel Hault led a unit into the forest where they saw fast moving lights. It was freaky as hell. You can listen to the Colonel's live recordings from that night online. They are been established, for years, as authentic.
Look up the Roswell UFO crash. It happened in 1947 only 30 miles from the very base where Squadron 501 was based. That was the first secret nuclear missile base in the world from where Oppenheimer's two bombs were dropped on Japan. Coincidence?
Get a sense of what's going on here?
They are SO, SO far ahead of us.
They know how to manipulate and control space/time and gravity.
They know how to travel, possibly by exploiting natural warps in space/time, which our own science already knows is a reality (check time ripples), to travel instantaneously from one point in time/space to any other place in the galaxy, or even the wider Universe.
They found us thousands of years ago, just as we have started finding planets beyond our solar system, with pretty basic tech and telescopes, since the mid-90's.
The James Webb telescope, orbiting a million miles out from Earth, will, predicted by its own operators, identify planets within the habitat zone, capable of supporting life, within the next 10 years. That means we will know exactly where to look for life. Very soon.
This is just 70 odd years into human beings physically, with our probes and the Apollo missions etc., exploring space. Just over 70 years. It's nothing.
Does anyone really think higher intelligences, in a single galaxy with over 200-plus billion (yes, billion) suns and about an estimated trillion planets, have not found us already?
Seriously?
Does anyone really think we are the top dog intelligence in our galaxy, or even in the universe?
Just think about it.
Seriously think about it, even if it is scary and shakes up your world view.
Once again it is so easy and so safe to make fun of any subject which challenges our narrow and, often, ignorant perspective that we are top dog. The ongoing and sad failure of human beings is thinking we are the top of the food chain. More fool us. Well done.
But a few of you, reading this now, will, I hope, have the courage to dig deeper. If u do, I will back you up with what I have been privileged to learn from experts and professionals who have had extraordinary encounters.
The British MOD carried out a, at first, 20 year investigation into UFOs. It continues to this day. The Pentagon had a secret program into 2008, ATIP, which investigated UFOs, and, under a new name, it is ongoing. Governments do NOT create classified departments to investigate nothing.
US Congress, in 2020, admitted UFOs are a genuine phenomena they are, with the military, investigating,
The French Government, with a dedicated UFO research program (why have that, if it' BS) concluded the crafts are so far advanced that the most likely explanation is they are NOT US and of extraterrestrial origin. That's a fact.
Knowing @Dragonpol, I'm sure he didn't joke to make fun of the subject.
Please understand, @ColonelSun, that many people are convinced that we are not the superior species in the entire universe. It's statistically implausible that we are. Where you and I differ is in the notion that aliens have already visited us, that's all. But I am treating this subject as interesting and realistic, unlike, say, ghosts and demons.