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If you complain about the placing of the gunbarrel in Skyfall, then you haven't seen the film. In relation to the final scene, the placing is PERFECT.
That pretty much sums it up. Well said Sir.
And FRWL and OHMSS had the GB at the beginning too- whats your point exactly?
Try and compose a coherent argument first before you start bandying the word 'moron' about.
And I will stick it to the version of SF - when it comes out on DVD/Bluray.
At least in the modern digital era it's comparatively easy and cheap to edit video files. And that clip is in 720p so it will fit well with the HD Blu-ray version. There won't be any noticeable difference in picture quality.
I love that gun barrel scene and the music. That should have been used at the beginning. :) It's so frustrating to mess with the gun barrel. Ergh. Okay, if you want to redesign the gb then fair enough, that is a new version set inside a cinema but it's still capturing the essence of the classic Maurice Binder version.
(Although I still think QOS wasn't as bad as some here say it was)
My point being: I prefer a good Bond movie without the gunbarrel any day over a bad one that has all the "necessary" elements.
How would putting the GB in at the start of QOS have ruined the opening - the GB pulls back and you are into the opening shot across the water.
And how exactly was the incoherent PTS of QOS good filmaking anyway?
Are you insane? Really. Are you? I´m worried here. Should we call someone to help? A straight jacket perhaps? Men in white clothes? Padded cell? :)
I dont see how that can be seeing as the gunbarrel would be first then the opening shot across the water which builds the tension? The tension cant be built up before the gunbarrel so how can it be eliminated by it? Or are you starting the film with that shot and then having the gunbarrel and then cutting to Bond in the tunnel because that would just be plain mental.
I think what he's referring to is that the music starts when the logos are appearing. This would have to be removed to facilitate the gunbarrel and I don't think the shots afterward last the required length of time to built up tension.
I see your point about the gunbarrel @TheWizardOfIce, but I think the opening of QOS is just fine the way it is, all things considered.
Glad Barbara and Michael don’t follow slavishly what some of us want otherwise trying new things becomes redundant, the franchise slowly dies through tedium, Daniel would have been sacked and Skyfall would be yet another by the numbers dumbed down A to Z atlas of mediocrity.
We tend to take things for granted and complacency sets in when you always know what you’re going to get. I’ve heard there was jubilation when M, Q & MoneyPenny were re-introduced, did that not lift the spirits and elevate the film more than the plodding oh yeah same old same old. I’m sure the GB will garner the same if not more appreciation on its return to the start of Bond 24.
"Who cares?
Go and be a proper fan and look down on the rest of us who don't care about it - but please stop going on and on about it."
And another:
"Complaining about how the gun barrel scene's placement impacted the film is like complaining how the title font sullied the film's quality.
It just doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things."
The last three posts on this link - scroll down the page and you'll see the last three posts. The first post (near the bottom of the page) is the original link to the altered QOS gun barrel opening and it's followed by those two replies I've posted above.
http://www.empireonline.com/forum/tm.asp?m=3513912&mpage=7&key=
What a sad attitude to have. "Who cares?" That's some fans' attitude. Perhaps they're not big 'fans' but they've taken the time to post on a Bond thread so they must have some interest in the franchise.
And where does it all end? When does "who cares?" mean Eon Productions can do whatever they like with the franchise. Perhaps scrap the gun barrel entirely, perhaps never use the Bond theme in a future film, perhaps no pre-credit scene, perhaps Bond is no longer a 00 agent but a freelancer; is the natural reaction to such changes going to be "who cares?"
Whatever your thoughts on the Craig Bond era it's blatantly obvious fans - be they the more serious or the more casual - don't care that much about the franchise. When the producers feel they can get away with moving the classic, iconic, brilliant opening gun barrel to the end of the film and so-called fans respond with "who cares?" you know a part of the James Bond franchise died back in 2002 and it's doubtful that part will ever come back to life. And I'd like to think some fans are angry/sad/disillusioned by that. Just saying "who cares?" is a pitiful reaction and I don't consider such people true fans of the franchise. Hisqos' comments above my post prove my point. So called 'fans' that justify the change.
And of course, it goes without saying, Skyfall can be a cool James Bond film without the opening gun barrel scene. I'm not saying it makes it a terrible Bond film, but I would assert it makes it 'less' of a James Bond film.
Thought you were serious for a second!
This is the Skyfall walk/stance alright, but everything else is made up including the music. Oh, and the quality is rubbish, so even those of you who can't wait, please do.
Completely agreed. The gunbarrel sequence really made the ending perfect.
The elements of a traditional Bond movie, with the Bond theme building up, and then ending with the sequence and "James Bond will return". Man, that was perfect!
There's no reason to think that. I'm sure a proper gun barrel will be done when it's time. Nothing like negatively.
Me too. At first I was annoyed that the gunbarrel was not at the beginning, but...
The ending made up for it. I think the GB will be at the start of B24...
They do not have any grounded reason whatsoever to nót put it at the beginning. It will be my first "traditional" gunbarrel in cinema, so I really hope they do it with care. Craig's pose for Skyfall can return, gives me a Dalton-esque feeling...
There's every reason to think it. Why do this shitty design just for QOS and SF if they're going to scrap it and go back to the classic? Obviously someone at EON is happy with this gunbarrel so I would say it's far more likely this is here to stay than we will get a proper one back.
If I could be bothered I could dig up old threads on here where people said 'don't worry folks now the Vesper story is done the GB will 100% be at the beginning for SF.' There was no reason not to start SF with it but that didn't stop them did it?
As it is I really cannot see why they would put the next one at the end but that's what I thought for SF. I dont want to put my faith in EON again and spend the first 30 seconds of the film pissed off like I did with SF so maybe I'll go into Bond 24 with low GB expectations and I might be pleasantly surprised.
Mind you if they don't change the design then I'll still be underwhelmed. I suppose some will accuse me of being just a cantankerous old git who doesn't like change and I agree there's an element of that (I miss the old UA logo with 'Entertainment from Transamerica Corporation').
However I have nothing against change - the DC era is brilliant and a breath of fresh air - but shouldnt a change be for the better? Ive yet to have anyone persuade me that what has become the norm is better. All this pissing around with the GB just seems like change for changes sake to me.
There are people who want the Bond movies be by the book, taking the "formula" and tick all the ingredient are there, and then tehyy jsut mix them together to ge a good Bond movie... ;) Asks our German manager Joachim Löw or Fabio Capello or Roy Hodgson, they all would agree with that.
No harm intended...
It's been a while since I was at school, but I do seem to remember a gunbarrel and a hotel room door spyhole were two different things.
On the plus side, at least there hasn't been a CG fricking bullet in the Craig era...