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  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    This scene from Black Widow gave me a ton of joy.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Gerard wrote: »
    WHAT IF...? Trailer...

    Language, Arnim !

    Speaking of which, I have a theory concerning one moment in Black Widow which I'll put in spoilers. I'm serious here, so open at your own risk, or if you have seen the movie :
    During the scene where
    Red Guardian
    arm-wrestle a few of his fellow convicts, he tells them that once, he fought
    Captain America
    to a standstill, and when asked when this was, he answers that it was in the '80s, to which his fellow prisoner express doubts as to the veracity of this story, given that in the '80s
    Cap was still on ice
    . So, is
    Red Guardian
    a braggart ? Well, maybe not. The ending of Avengers : Endgame reveals that
    Ste Rodgers decided to stay in the past to be with Peggy Carter. So, who's to say that he didn't get involved in some top secret missions along the long way back to the future ? And one of them could have put him into conflict with the Red Guardian.
    So, what do you think ? BS or not ?
    Another possibility is that it may have been another Captain America. We know of at least one more, Isaiah Bradley, during the Korean War. It's not outside the realms of possibility that the US just made a new cap whenever every decade or so until they ran out of super soldier juice.
  • Posts: 312
    This scene from Black Widow gave me a ton of joy.

    Me too :D
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    Me three ! But, I just watched a video on YouTube, and it's more involved than that :
    Not only does the movie recreate a famous scne from MR, there's also the subplot with the gas vials, and the fact that the villain has a secret base in the sky.

    Nifty, isn't it ?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    Saw it tonight. Florence Pugh was definitely the star of the show :) She never disappoints.
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    Have to say I quite enjoyed Black Widow. It serves as a nice victory lap for Natasha, while also paving the way for Florence Pugh to step in in future MCU movies.
    Gerard wrote: »
    Me three ! But, I just watched a video on YouTube, and it's more involved than that :
    Not only does the movie recreate a famous scne from MR, there's also the subplot with the gas vials, and the fact that the villain has a secret base in the sky.

    Nifty, isn't it ?
    I found the skydiving sequence at the end to be very reminiscent of Moonraker’s opening, with Taskmaster serving as the Jaws equivalent. Seeing the Moonraker clip really helped me buy the more over the top stuff which happens in the film, as the movie starts off very Bourne-esque before moving onto the over the top villains lair.
    This movie would be in my top 10 MCU movies, and I really enjoyed seeing a female-led Spy Action movie in the vein of Bond or Mission: Impssoible being actually good.

    Also, given I haven’t really given my thoughts on Loki I have to say, even though I’m enjoying the show, I don’t like this interpretation of Loki. He seems to be playing too much of the hero rather than the god of mischief, and I really hope they pull it together in the last episode. I get that some it plays in on an arc, but he literally wanted to rule the earth a week ago in the world of the show.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    Have to say I quite enjoyed Black Widow. It serves as a nice victory lap for Natasha, while also paving the way for Florence Pugh to step in in future MCU movies.
    Gerard wrote: »
    Me three ! But, I just watched a video on YouTube, and it's more involved than that :
    Not only does the movie recreate a famous scne from MR, there's also the subplot with the gas vials, and the fact that the villain has a secret base in the sky.

    Nifty, isn't it ?
    I found the skydiving sequence at the end to be very reminiscent of Moonraker’s opening, with Taskmaster serving as the Jaws equivalent. Seeing the Moonraker clip really helped me buy the more over the top stuff which happens in the film, as the movie starts off very Bourne-esque before moving onto the over the top villains lair.
    This movie would be in my top 10 MCU movies, and I really enjoyed seeing a female-led Spy Action movie in the vein of Bond or Mission: Impssoible being actually good.

    Also, given I haven’t really given my thoughts on Loki I have to say, even though I’m enjoying the show, I don’t like this interpretation of Loki. He seems to be playing too much of the hero rather than the god of mischief, and I really hope they pull it together in the last episode. I get that some it plays in on an arc, but he literally wanted to rule the earth a week ago in the world of the show.

    I chalk that up to the crew knowing people loved the Thor/Loki dynamic in Ragnarok, but killed off that Loki in Infinity War, so they fast tracked Avengers Loki through all that development with the time viewer that Mobius used in the first episode to bring him back to the Ragnarok character.

    That said, there are still differences. He's still pretty adamant about controlling the TVA for the first couple episodes.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2021 Posts: 25,361

    Not certain though is this Deadpool's first appearance under Disney?
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2021 Posts: 25,361
    Loki Episode 6 Good finale everything rang true with the outcome, good set up for
    Kang The Conqueror
    . it will be interesting to see further development as there is a good back story there.

    Out of the Marvel shows so far I would say Loki is the only one that's essential viewing with regards to the phase 4 movies, unless one of the films does some kind of recap.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 2021 Posts: 8,201
    This scene from Black Widow gave me a ton of joy.

    Of all the Bond movies for her to watch, how did they not pick From Russia with Love?? That’s like the most obvious one!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    This scene from Black Widow gave me a ton of joy.

    Of all the Bond movies for her to watch, how did they not pick From Russia with Love?? That’s like the most obvious one!
    Haha while I love From Russia With Love more myself too, Moonraker has more resonance with the plot and sequences from Black Widow itself. The references don't really end with this clip :)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Then they could have made the plot and sequences resonate more towards FRWL.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 2021 Posts: 25,361
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    Get woke go broke!

    https://youtu.be/DDNfvvx56-Q

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Get woke go broke!

    https://youtu.be/DDNfvvx56-Q

    https://www.cbr.com/theaters-blame-black-widow-box-office-on-disney-release/

    Theaters blame Disney. People may be MCU’ed out. Black Widow is dead, and a majority of people know it. The characters (namely BW) are boring and predictable in their pun-dialogue. Lastly maybe people are mad at Scarlett Johansson for supporting Woody Allen. I don’t know, these are just some suggestions on what happened. There’s still a chance that BW could have legs.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    For what it's worth, I enjoyed the movie.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2021 Posts: 16,573
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Get woke go broke!

    https://youtu.be/DDNfvvx56-Q

    Are you saying it's woke because it's got a woman in it? How do you even exist in the world when 50% of the population are women? You must be constantly angry, it's so strange.

    Fast Furious 9 had a massive drop the second weekend too (67% drop in fact, and that's without any competition, unlike Black Widow): these are not normal times and you can't really compare it to films released pre-pandemic just yet. It's also been released on streaming at the same time: something tells me that might just affect box office too :D
    It also hasn't even been released in China yet (although I reckon it'll be so pirated by now it probably won't make huge numbers there).

    But I guess idiots on YouTube will keep chanting 'woke' without turning their brains on, because they never do. I suppose FF9 had a steep second week drop because there's a black guy in it? Yawn.
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Get woke go broke!

    https://youtu.be/DDNfvvx56-Q
    I dont see Black Widow as Woke... though I will say Marvel has done plenty of Woke things lately so maybe Black widow is a casualty of it.
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Get woke go broke!

    https://youtu.be/DDNfvvx56-Q
    I dont see Black Widow as Woke... though I will say Marvel has done plenty of Woke things lately so maybe Black widow is a casualty of it.

    I’d say gender swapping one of the best villains from Marvel comics is about as woke as you can get.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2021 Posts: 5,970
    I'd say the drop is more to do with Disney+ and the fact that people are still hesitant to go back to cinemas.

    Anyone extremely itching to see Black Widow on-screen, or just itching to get back into cinemas, would've gone as soon as possible. I did as soon as, baring in mind I only went for Florence Pugh, and was quite entertained bar some pacing issues that I think affected the narrative.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    I'd say the drop is more to do with Disney+ and the fact that people are still hesitant to go back to cinemas.

    Anyone extremely itching to see Black Widow on-screen, or just itching to get back into cinemas, would've gone as soon as possible.

    That would seem more logical. I really doubt that hundreds of thousands of people who watch Marvel films have any idea who the villain is in this one, or know the character from any comics; and the idea that they're boycotting the film because of that is preposterous. I certainly have no idea who the baddie is.
    But as we've seen repeatedly, accusations of 'woke' don't have to make any sense.
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    mtm wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Get woke go broke!

    https://youtu.be/DDNfvvx56-Q

    Are you saying it's woke because it's got a woman in it? How do you even exist in the world when 50% of the population are women? You must be constantly angry, it's so strange.

    Fast Furious 9 had a massive drop the second weekend too (67% drop in fact, and that's without any competition, unlike Black Widow): these are not normal times and you can't really compare it to films released pre-pandemic just yet. It's also been released on streaming at the same time: something tells me that might just affect box office too :D
    It also hasn't even been released in China yet (although I reckon it'll be so pirated by now it probably won't make huge numbers there).

    But I guess idiots on YouTube will keep chanting 'woke' without turning their brains on, because they never do. I suppose FF9 had a steep second week drop because there's a black guy in it? Yawn.
    Well put! Woke is such a meaningless word that I just assume everyone who uses it is stupid and just like to complain about things.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    edited July 2021 Posts: 7,854
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Get woke go broke!

    https://youtu.be/DDNfvvx56-Q
    I dont see Black Widow as Woke... though I will say Marvel has done plenty of Woke things lately so maybe Black widow is a casualty of it.

    I’d say gender swapping one of the best villains from Marvel comics is about as woke as you can get.

    Gender swapping the villain wasn't my problem, because they could've done that without changing the fundamentals of the character. It's everything else they changed that bothered me.

    But, go ahead, keep using your nonsense word.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,201
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Get woke go broke!

    https://youtu.be/DDNfvvx56-Q
    I dont see Black Widow as Woke... though I will say Marvel has done plenty of Woke things lately so maybe Black widow is a casualty of it.

    I’d say gender swapping one of the best villains from Marvel comics is about as woke as you can get.

    That’s reaching.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2021 Posts: 16,573
    Oh wow, that's great for her. She's amazing, probably soon to be a big international star.
    She's kind of taking the Waller-Bridge route :)
  • edited July 2021 Posts: 1,394
    Making a sequel to Black Panther without Chadwick Bozeman is like making an Iron Man movie without Robert Downey JR.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,573
    I guess that might happen at some point though.
    A bit of me wanders if they couldn't have gone the Bond route and just had a new Tony at some point, but I'm sure there must be lots of other characters in the comic books who became Iron Man?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I hate it when Disney (+) "fixes" older movies in order to make them more suitable to "current viewers" who, allegedly, can't even handle a glimpse of Daryl Hannah's naked bottom. But gender-swapping in the superhero world is something I'm perfectly okay with. I've enjoyed Captain Marvel tremendously, both in comics and in the movies, even though she was originally a "he". I honestly don't mind, as long as they set up the character well and don't just midway change its gender without any reasonable explanation. That I would have issues with.

    I also disagree with accusations of wokeness this time. Disney certainly seems to be keeping a sociopolitical agenda, as seen in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, for example, but not in such a way that it kills the fun for me. Also, plenty of Marvel characters, like the X-Men back in the day, started out representing counter-culture, and they as well as their adventures have continued to mirror what was going on in the real world. Also, I think stories about heroes and villains shouldn't blind themselves from current tensions and sociopolitical trends. I don't need them to preach to me every second of every movie, but there's a difference between reflecting on the newspaper headlines of the moment, and following "woke doctrine". Yeah, when it comes to BW, I'm siding with those who call out the BS in these baseless accusations of wokeness.
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