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    4 examples of Marvel going woke this year...

    1) They delete a Doctor Strange cameo from Wandavision because Kevin Feige thought it set a bad example for a white man to be giving a “ strong independent woman “ like Wanda advice ( Can’t wait to see her push him around in his next “ solo “ movie.

    2) Pretty much all of Falcon and Winter Soldier.Most glaring is the “ Black Lives Matter “ scene where two cops see Sam and Bucky having an argument and immediately think Sam is a threat.Also they convey the female leader of the flag smashers as sympathetic despite the fact that SHE IS A TERRORIST WHO GOES AROUND KILLING PEOPLE.

    3) Loki.Loki is bisexual now ( because the showrunner is apparently) and the show has been taken over by Lady Loki.

    5) Black Widow - Where to start? From gender swapping one of the greatest villains in Marvel history, to once again no consequences and sympathy for the woman who came up mind controlling children to conveying any male character as either stupid or evil,to “ hilarious “ jokes about women not having their periods.

    Yeah some of you here are in denial and won’t agree with me but the MCU really finished with Endgame and is just the M She U now.Kevin Feige is a sell out.Oh well it was good while it lasted and at least Chris Evans and RDJ got out before it all went downhill.
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    4 examples of Marvel going woke this year...

    1) They delete a Doctor Strange cameo from Wandavision because Kevin Feige thought it set a bad example for a white man to be giving a “ strong independent woman “ like Wanda advice ( Can’t wait to see her push him around in his next “ solo “ movie.

    2) Pretty much all of Falcon and Winter Soldier.Most glaring is the “ Black Lives Matter “ scene where two cops see Sam and Bucky having an argument and immediately think Sam is a threat.Also they convey the female leader of the flag smashers as sympathetic despite the fact that SHE IS A TERRORIST WHO GOES AROUND KILLING PEOPLE.

    3) Loki.Loki is bisexual now ( because the showrunner is apparently) and the show has been taken over by Lady Loki.

    5) Black Widow - Where to start? From gender swapping one of the greatest villains in Marvel history, to once again no consequences and sympathy for the woman who came up mind controlling children to conveying any male character as either stupid or evil,to “ hilarious “ jokes about women not having their periods.

    Yeah some of you here are in denial and won’t agree with me but the MCU really finished with Endgame and is just the M She U now.Kevin Feige is a sell out.Oh well it was good while it lasted and at least Chris Evans and RDJ got out before it all went downhill.
    You list four examples but number them 1, 2, 3 & 5.
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    4 examples of Marvel going woke this year...

    1) They delete a Doctor Strange cameo from Wandavision because Kevin Feige thought it set a bad example for a white man to be giving a “ strong independent woman “ like Wanda advice ( Can’t wait to see her push him around in his next “ solo “ movie.

    2) Pretty much all of Falcon and Winter Soldier.Most glaring is the “ Black Lives Matter “ scene where two cops see Sam and Bucky having an argument and immediately think Sam is a threat.Also they convey the female leader of the flag smashers as sympathetic despite the fact that SHE IS A TERRORIST WHO GOES AROUND KILLING PEOPLE.

    3) Loki.Loki is bisexual now ( because the showrunner is apparently) and the show has been taken over by Lady Loki.

    5) Black Widow - Where to start? From gender swapping one of the greatest villains in Marvel history, to once again no consequences and sympathy for the woman who came up mind controlling children to conveying any male character as either stupid or evil,to “ hilarious “ jokes about women not having their periods.

    Yeah some of you here are in denial and won’t agree with me but the MCU really finished with Endgame and is just the M She U now.Kevin Feige is a sell out.Oh well it was good while it lasted and at least Chris Evans and RDJ got out before it all went downhill.

    I think I lost brain cells reading that
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Aston Lotus watches too much YouTube conspiracy theories.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    4 examples of Marvel going woke this year...

    1) They delete a Doctor Strange cameo from Wandavision because Kevin Feige thought it set a bad example for a white man to be giving a “ strong independent woman “ like Wanda advice ( Can’t wait to see her push him around in his next “ solo “ movie.

    2) Pretty much all of Falcon and Winter Soldier.Most glaring is the “ Black Lives Matter “ scene where two cops see Sam and Bucky having an argument and immediately think Sam is a threat.Also they convey the female leader of the flag smashers as sympathetic despite the fact that SHE IS A TERRORIST WHO GOES AROUND KILLING PEOPLE.

    3) Loki.Loki is bisexual now ( because the showrunner is apparently) and the show has been taken over by Lady Loki.

    5) Black Widow - Where to start? From gender swapping one of the greatest villains in Marvel history, to once again no consequences and sympathy for the woman who came up mind controlling children to conveying any male character as either stupid or evil,to “ hilarious “ jokes about women not having their periods.

    Yeah some of you here are in denial and won’t agree with me but the MCU really finished with Endgame and is just the M She U now.Kevin Feige is a sell out.Oh well it was good while it lasted and at least Chris Evans and RDJ got out before it all went downhill.

    Not sure I'm seeing things that way. I am also not in denial. I am watching the same shows and movies and nothing of what you complain about bothers me, to be honest.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    4 examples of Marvel going woke this year...

    1) They delete a Doctor Strange cameo from Wandavision because Kevin Feige thought it set a bad example for a white man to be giving a “ strong independent woman “ like Wanda advice ( Can’t wait to see her push him around in his next “ solo “ movie.

    2) Pretty much all of Falcon and Winter Soldier.Most glaring is the “ Black Lives Matter “ scene where two cops see Sam and Bucky having an argument and immediately think Sam is a threat.Also they convey the female leader of the flag smashers as sympathetic despite the fact that SHE IS A TERRORIST WHO GOES AROUND KILLING PEOPLE.

    3) Loki.Loki is bisexual now ( because the showrunner is apparently) and the show has been taken over by Lady Loki.

    5) Black Widow - Where to start? From gender swapping one of the greatest villains in Marvel history, to once again no consequences and sympathy for the woman who came up mind controlling children to conveying any male character as either stupid or evil,to “ hilarious “ jokes about women not having their periods.

    Yeah some of you here are in denial and won’t agree with me but the MCU really finished with Endgame and is just the M She U now.Kevin Feige is a sell out.Oh well it was good while it lasted and at least Chris Evans and RDJ got out before it all went downhill.

    Fox & Friends called, they want their tattered soapbox back.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Scarlett Johansson Files Lawsuit Against Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Release
    https://hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/scarlett-johansson-disney-lawsuit-1234990249
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    ‘Hawkeye’ Disney Plus Series Sets November Premiere Date
    https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/hawkeye-disney-plus-series-premiere-date-1235030417
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Scarlett Johansson Files Lawsuit Against Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Release
    https://hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/scarlett-johansson-disney-lawsuit-1234990249

    Blimey! If all of that is correct it sounds like she may have a point.
  • mtm wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Scarlett Johansson Files Lawsuit Against Disney Over ‘Black Widow’ Release
    https://hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/scarlett-johansson-disney-lawsuit-1234990249

    Blimey! If all of that is correct it sounds like she may have a point.

    It sounds like she has a very valid case, and I hope she wins.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    There's a lot of actors/filmmakers unhappy with how big studios threw movies onto streaming services. Denis Villeneuve and Patty Jenkins come to mind.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    SHANG-CHI "Iron Man" Trailer

    This looks pretty good.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Disney Fires Back at Scarlett Johansson, Calls ‘Black Widow’ Lawsuit ‘Sad and Distressing’
    https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-scarlett-johansson-black-widow-lawsuit-response-pandemic-1235030837

    Scarlett Johansson’s ‘Black Widow’ Lawsuit Is Game-Changing, But May Be Legally Weak
    https://hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/scarlett-johanssons-black-widow-lawsuit-1234990644

    ‘Black Widow’ Legal Battle: Inside the Fallout After Scarlett Johansson Sues Disney
    https://variety.com/2021/film/news/black-widow-scarlett-johansson-disney-fallout-1235031315
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    Enjoyed Black Widow!!! Love the MoonRaker cameo! :-bd
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I watched the 'What If' Captain Carter episode: beautifully made with gorgeous CG animation, but the story is just a very slight variation on the Captain America film- pretty underwhelming stuff.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I watched the 'What If' Captain Carter episode: beautifully made with gorgeous CG animation, but the story is just a very slight variation on the Captain America film- pretty underwhelming stuff.
    For a show about infinite possibilities, there doesn’t seem to be many possibilities.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I canceled Disney + lost interest in there content Marvel, Star Wars etc.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I watched the 'What If' Captain Carter episode: beautifully made with gorgeous CG animation, but the story is just a very slight variation on the Captain America film- pretty underwhelming stuff.
    For a show about infinite possibilities, there doesn’t seem to be many possibilities.

    Yeah just watching the same events happen to a different character isn’t the revelation they seem to think it is. I think they think her being a woman is more incredible than it actually is.
    It’s an odd one to open on. Hopefully they go a bit more wild with the concepts.
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    I canceled Disney + lost interest in there content Marvel, Star Wars etc.

    Same here.I have lost interest in anything Marvel.But have hope for Star Wars because of Jon Favreau and Dave Filonis involvement.Will renew when The Book Of Boba Fett comes out.

    As far as Scarjo is concerned, I have no sympathy for her.She makes more money in one project where she dresses up and plays pretend for a few months than most people who work hard in highly demanding jobs every day will ever see in multiple lifetimes.And it seems to have backfired on her as she’s now been dropped by Disney.

    Maybe your movie would have made more at the box office if you could have shut up about the feminist agenda and not put off half your audience Scarjo.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I canceled Disney + lost interest in there content Marvel, Star Wars etc.

    Same here.I have lost interest in anything Marvel.But have hope for Star Wars because of Jon Favreau and Dave Filonis involvement.Will renew when The Book Of Boba Fett comes out.

    As far as Scarjo is concerned, I have no sympathy for her.She makes more money in one project where she dresses up and plays pretend for a few months than most people who work hard in highly demanding jobs every day will ever see in multiple lifetimes.And it seems to have backfired on her as she’s now been dropped by Disney.

    Maybe your movie would have made more at the box office if you could have shut up about the feminist agenda and not put off half your audience Scarjo.

    Thank you for your Scarlett Johansson rant. She’s everything wrong with Hollywood. She didn’t even do her job as Black Widow. She had no expressions, verbally or physically. It’s not really even the writer’s fault. Everyone did their job in the MCU, but her.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mtm wrote: »
    I watched the 'What If' Captain Carter episode: beautifully made with gorgeous CG animation, but the story is just a very slight variation on the Captain America film- pretty underwhelming stuff.

    This is only the first episode, I think they're just starting off with something small where we see only see the differences in character dynamics. As the show progresses, the differences will probably be wider to the point of altering narratives, and it will result in the Watcher deciding to finally break his rule of non-interference, because things went way too astray.
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I canceled Disney + lost interest in there content Marvel, Star Wars etc.

    Same here.I have lost interest in anything Marvel.But have hope for Star Wars because of Jon Favreau and Dave Filonis involvement.Will renew when The Book Of Boba Fett comes out.

    As far as Scarjo is concerned, I have no sympathy for her.She makes more money in one project where she dresses up and plays pretend for a few months than most people who work hard in highly demanding jobs every day will ever see in multiple lifetimes.And it seems to have backfired on her as she’s now been dropped by Disney.

    Maybe your movie would have made more at the box office if you could have shut up about the feminist agenda and not put off half your audience Scarjo.

    She's in her right to sue them, regardless of how her feminists views trigger your fragile feelings.

    WB compensated the actors and filmmakers involved in films that was put on HBO Max.

    Disney didn't bother doing that, because they've been notorious cheap asses for many years. Whether she needs the money or not is completely irrelevant, because the principle of the matter is that Disney didn't include the filmmakers into the conversation about putting their films on a streaming service.

    Honestly, Disney wouldn't even lose much by just compensating. It's just a drop in the ocean. Hopefully they'll backtrack on that, just like they did with rehiring James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    I watched the 'What If' Captain Carter episode: beautifully made with gorgeous CG animation, but the story is just a very slight variation on the Captain America film- pretty underwhelming stuff.

    This is only the first episode, I think they're just starting off with something small where we see only see the differences in character dynamics. As the show progresses, the differences will probably be wider to the point of altering narratives

    Yes I think you’re right, it has to go somewhere more interesting than that, it’s just a shame this story was so underwhelming.
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I canceled Disney + lost interest in there content Marvel, Star Wars etc.

    Same here.I have lost interest in anything Marvel.But have hope for Star Wars because of Jon Favreau and Dave Filonis involvement.Will renew when The Book Of Boba Fett comes out.

    As far as Scarjo is concerned, I have no sympathy for her.She makes more money in one project where she dresses up and plays pretend for a few months than most people who work hard in highly demanding jobs every day will ever see in multiple lifetimes.And it seems to have backfired on her as she’s now been dropped by Disney.

    Maybe your movie would have made more at the box office if you could have shut up about the feminist agenda and not put off half your audience Scarjo.

    She's in her right to sue them, regardless of how her feminists views trigger your fragile feelings.

    WB compensated the actors and filmmakers involved in films that was put on HBO Max.
    .

    Indeed. It’s not like contracts suddenly become invalid just because both sides are rich enough already or something. If she is correct (and I haven’t seen her contract so I don’t know for sure!) then she’s entitled to get paid properly.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I watched the 'What If' Captain Carter episode: beautifully made with gorgeous CG animation, but the story is just a very slight variation on the Captain America film- pretty underwhelming stuff.

    This is only the first episode, I think they're just starting off with something small where we see only see the differences in character dynamics. As the show progresses, the differences will probably be wider to the point of altering narratives

    Yes I think you’re right, it has to go somewhere more interesting than that, it’s just a shame this story was so underwhelming.
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I canceled Disney + lost interest in there content Marvel, Star Wars etc.

    Same here.I have lost interest in anything Marvel.But have hope for Star Wars because of Jon Favreau and Dave Filonis involvement.Will renew when The Book Of Boba Fett comes out.

    As far as Scarjo is concerned, I have no sympathy for her.She makes more money in one project where she dresses up and plays pretend for a few months than most people who work hard in highly demanding jobs every day will ever see in multiple lifetimes.And it seems to have backfired on her as she’s now been dropped by Disney.

    Maybe your movie would have made more at the box office if you could have shut up about the feminist agenda and not put off half your audience Scarjo.

    She's in her right to sue them, regardless of how her feminists views trigger your fragile feelings.

    WB compensated the actors and filmmakers involved in films that was put on HBO Max.
    .

    Indeed. It’s not like contracts suddenly become invalid just because both sides are rich enough already or something. If she is correct (and I haven’t seen her contract so I don’t know for sure!) then she’s entitled to get paid properly.

    She's in her right to sue if Disney Plus wasn't apart of the conversation when release strategies were being discussed. It makes it look as though, she, and the other Black Widow actors were okay and in support of Disney Plus, when in reality it is far more likely that Disney saw an opportunity to capitalise on big franchise films with big name actors to push subscriptions to their streaming service at the expense of the films success and the survival or cinemas.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Disney is a villainous company. They deserve anything coming their way.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    ‘Shang-Chi’ Star Simu Liu Responds to Disney CEO Calling Marvel Film’s Theatrical Release an ‘Interesting Experiment’
    https://variety.com/2021/film/news/simu-liu-shang-chi-disney-release-plan-1235041765/

    In the latest instalment of Disney just don't care.
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    ‘Shang-Chi’ Star Simu Liu Responds to Disney CEO Calling Marvel Film’s Theatrical Release an ‘Interesting Experiment’
    https://variety.com/2021/film/news/simu-liu-shang-chi-disney-release-plan-1235041765/

    In the latest instalment of Disney just don't care.

    Insulting his employers.Yeah that’s going to end well for him.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Disney is a villainous company. They deserve anything coming their way.

    Not sure how serious you are, @Thunderfinger ;-) , but I'm inclined to agree. "Villainous" may be a strong word, and I've enjoyed most of their output in recent times, but I don't think Disney is overall as "clean" as they want to be. They're pushing their politics hard in their films but not necessarily behind the screens. I am quite angry with Bob Iger over how he treated Tarantino. And the James Gunn debacle is just absolutely stupid. Oh well, nobody's perfect. It's just that Disney wants to come off as perfect so very very much. ;-)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2021 Posts: 16,378
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    ‘Shang-Chi’ Star Simu Liu Responds to Disney CEO Calling Marvel Film’s Theatrical Release an ‘Interesting Experiment’
    https://variety.com/2021/film/news/simu-liu-shang-chi-disney-release-plan-1235041765/

    In the latest instalment of Disney just don't care.

    Insulting his employers.Yeah that’s going to end well for him.

    There’s no insult there; and I doubt his employers are going to get too upset about him trying to fire people up to see their movie.
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    I hated the first episode of what if, but I have to say episode 2 won me over. Delivered on the promise of the show, and serves as a great send off to Chadwick Boseman’s T’Challa. Although I heard he may have recorded more episodes, but I am unsure about the accuracy of that.
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