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I don’t think this is the last we saw of T’Challa, but that dedication to Boseman in the end was touching.
Sounds good, I'll give it go.
Looks interesting though the overused tired humour that is in pretty much in every MCU film takes me out of what is going on.
https://hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/anthony-mackie-star-captain-america-4-disney-marvel-1234999419
What do you expect? It’s their trademark, Joss Whedon still hangs over the MCU. I’ve been sick of it since Iron Man 3.
Butt-kissing really paid off for him.
Speaking of Iron Man 3:
https://www.cbr.com/shang-chi-mcu-sir-ben-kingsley/
Ragnarok has some interesting visuals and good action though I found many scenes especially on Planet Hulk a bit awkward and weird.
I think he was already funny.Ragnorok just turned the Thor franchise into a Naked Gun style parody.They took what should have been one of the darkest and dramatic Thor stories ( The destruction of Asgard! ) and made a silly comedy in which they took nothing seriously.The warriors three were killed off and we never see Thor reacting to some of his best friends being killed because Taika Waititi had keep throwing Thor into slapstick situations and have him be embarrassed by having him get beaten up women.
At the point the MCU should stand for Marvel Comedy Universe.
I wouldn't put it that way. I'd say people slightly redefine those subgenres within the Marvel universe, not unlike how some call MR a "science fiction" film (which it isn't) and DAF a comedy. In these cases too, the differences in flavour as you put it are minor. But even when minor, they may suffice to agree on tonal differences and calling those movies comedies or conspiracy thrillers is just shorthand. But obviously, The Winter Soldier is no The Conversation, JFK or Three Days Of The Condor. I disagree with internet lists that include the film as such.
A dark and serious Thor film sounds absolutely dreadful. They should be fun, not wallowing in misery like Zack Snyder’s trash.
I'll take Zack Snyder's "trash" over half the Avengers flicks any day, because they allow a little misery rather than put on a happy face all the time. Also, "wallowing in misery"? That's a bit of an exaggeration, surely. The colour palettes are dark and some characters rarely smile. I'll give you that much. ;-)
Problem with Snyder’s films is that they take themselves so deathly serious that they become an unintentional joke. When audiences laughed at the Martha scene, that was like the culmination of all the brooding and pouting.
I'll have to disagree. The "Avengers assemble!" scene in Endgame is so much more epic than the whole of the DCEU because it was something that was actually built over the course of 11 years.
A matter of taste, surely. @Fire_and_Ice_Returns and myself share an explicit love for the DC universe. I also think I can speak for us both when I say that we appreciate how Snyder has brought it to life.
I like the MCU, don't get me wrong, but should I be forced to choose, my allegiance lies elsewhere.
That was good fun, wittily written.
I slightly disagree. There are definetly moments in the Avengers films where they allow characters to self-reflect and show a little bit of emotion. One scene that never gets talked about is in Infinity War where Thor talks to Rocket about everyone he’s lost and the impact it’s had on him. There are moments like that through a majority of Endgame. There is certainly a lot of comedic elements in them, but for the most part I don’t think it is always happy just for the sake of a few laughs, and they let some of the emotions marinate.
Personally I find Snyder’s darkness a bit too intense for my liking. When I last watched Man of Steel I was put off my how dour and sorry of a film it was, and while I get what the movie was going for, I would have preferred a bit more fun. There is definetly a balance somewhere, and Marvel doesn’t always hit it for me, just as DC don’t always do it as well, but I find Marvel in the past are better at striking the balance between human and emotion quite well.
I love the DC universe of the comics and animated adaptations, not Zack Snyder's constant "Cry for me because I can't connect to humanity" horsecrap. As @2Wint2Kidd says, there's a balance that neither Marvel nor DC truly "get", but Marvel doesn't go as hard in the opposite direction as DC does. Credit where it's due, the Snyder Cut of JL tried and sometimes succeeded, but it was also a bloated monster with too much slow motion.
The MCU has plenty of character moments that aren't just comedy. Tony's breakdown when the kid triggers his PTSD in Iron Man 3. Thor teaching Jane about the Nine Realms in Thor. Cap and Natasha at Falcon's house in Winter Soldier, and Tony and Hawkeye's interaction at the Raft in Civil War. Just because there's some jokes thrown around doesn't meant these scenes don't exist. Not everyone needs to be Mr. "F**k the world" Cyborg, and they very much shouldn't be.
Learn to laugh, people. It won't kill you, and you can still take things seriously.
Funny thing is that I think JL is Snyder's best*, but there's no reason for that film to be four hours long. That's literally INSANE. I was really hoping for an approximation for what a Snyder cut would have been if it were released in theaters in 2017, because there was no way that a four hour film was gonna hit cinema screens. 150 mins probably, maybe even 165 minutes. WB's "make it two hours" was pretty crippling. Even THE AVENGERS was 143 minutes.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/disney-makes-first-move-in-scarlett-johanssons-black-widow-suit-1235001093/
This.And it’s a mistake to think to say that the Snyder films are “ deathly serious “.They take themselves seriously but there is humour.It’s just more subtle than the slapstick that runs throughout the MCU.
I will say I love Captain America:The Winter Soldier.It’s easily the best of the MCU for me and gets the balance of action and and humour just right.
Possibly not officially, but it would be nice to see. I still like MCU movies, but they can at times get a little more silly than they need to be.
I don't think I've seen people describe Moonraker and Diamonds that way though- it's certainly not hugely common to do so. But type in 'Winter Soldier conspiracy thriller' and you get an awful lot of hits: looks like they even publicised it as such. Which is fine of course: publicity is hyperbole, but folks seemed to buy it. It's a superhero film.
That raises an interesting question. Cannot a superhero film be a conspiracy thriller too? I honestly wonder.
The great Isaac Asimov once proved, most effectively I might add, that science fiction and detective whodunits can be merged. So perhaps we simply need someone to show us a conspiracy thriller that is also a superhero film. 😉
I know, someone’s going to get in trouble...
I’m talking specifically about Winter Soldier, though, which I would say does not manage to be one.
Can there be a superhero film which does merge them successfully? I doubt it, the superhero thing is too powerful. You can have a superhero comedy, as there have been quite a few of: I wouldn’t say Ragnarok is that though.