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Have you got a positive opinion on anything? ;)
EDIT: Nevermind, Pierce Brosnan, and, uh *checks notes* Casino Royale.
Meanwhile Tom Cruise is abusing Scientologist trainees, but it’s okay because he’s Tom Cruise!
Nothing without a penis.
Some of my favourite movie characters...
Ellen Ripley.
Sarah Connor.
Wonder Woman.
Scarlet Witch.
Wai Lin.
Princess Leia.
ILsa Faust.
Jean Grey.
Tracy Di Vincenzo.
Beatrix Kiddo.
Trinity.
Lisbeth Salander.
The IMAX versions are being blocked from a disc release, so for those of us that don't want to buy an eighteenth streaming service subscription and like traditional physical media, that content is indeed being withheld from a wider release. They're only doing it to get more subscriptions, when they'd be making far more money offering the content through both channels.
I know I don't exactly fit into this world's view of entertainment now, but I remember a time when you could just buy something you wanted to experience any way you wanted to experience it, and actually hold it in your hands, since it was something you actually owned. These days what we own and what we pay for is a lot more liquid, and streaming is a big part of that problem.
It will outgross NTTD in three days lol.
I suspect they know their business better than we do, and they're not withholding anything: they're available, right now. I've watched one.
On the other hand, if you can show me where I can watch Skyfall, or indeed No Time To Die, in their IMAX release formats...
On VHS in pan and scan format? Yeah great! :))
I think you're both right here. I agree with @mtm, just because they're not making a particular piece of content available on disc, but they are on a different medium, doesn't mean they're "blocking" it from you, but to your point @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, they're clearly making a conscious decision to *not* release this content on disc, so that people who want to watch the IMAX content sign up for a subscription. I'd argue they've been doing things like this since the dawn of physical media though, through regular releases, and slightly more expensive "special edition" releases with extras. "They're blocking the director's commentary from us! I have to spend an additional $10 to get the Special Edition of the DVD if I want that; I should be able to get all the content on my regular release DVD!" Sounds like the same argument to me.
But to your point @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I agree with you, we're living in an entertainment landscape muddied by Digital Rights Management issues and dozens of subscription services that lock you in to a monthly fee to provide you with content that you can't exactly enjoy *any* way you want.
This.They deliberately withheld the best version of the film from the 4K disc release so the biggest fans would be forced to subscribe to Disney+ a few short years later.
I knew this was the case when I first watched Endgame on 4K disc originally.The biggest give away that picture information was missing was during the cast roll call on the end credits.When it gets to Chadwick Boseman,you literally cannot see his head as it’s cut out of frame!
These companies can hide their metrics and don't have to share them, so who knows what their business truly is. It can be whatever they want it to be, since we can't see it. And if Disney are pulling these kinds of stunts to force more subscriptions, I wouldn't say their numbers can be that great. Why else would they limit the content to the service alone, otherwise?
I just think you're missing my point, not being someone who is in the physical media camp. Because, for someone like me who isn't going to buy another streaming service, there is a block happening for me to access the content in the way that I prefer. You could say the same thing if a movie released a special edition on disc that you really wanted to be able to download on your phone for watching on a plane ride or something, but because it wasn't available in that format, you're out of luck. Just because something is available in one format doesn't mean it's not being restricted in other ones. It's like a moving coming out in a limited release that you want to see: it's out there, but you aren't seeing it because your circumstances created a barrier between you and the content you desire to see.
I don't get your point about SF and NTTD in IMAX. Because those versions not being available at all and the MCU IMAX versions only being available behind a paywall are exactly the same, for someone like me: it means I'm not watching either of them. The MCU IMAX versions might as well not exist for me, because I'm not going to pay a subscription price every month just to have access to those versions of the movie that I'll watch only once in a while when I could pay one price and never pay again for the disc release with the same content. If Disney cared about making more money, the accessibility would be widened. The only reason left is them boosting their subscription numbers in artificial ways, which makes me think they don't have near as many people hopping on the Disney+ train as they'd hope. Which makes sense to me, considering every damn studio seems to have their own service these days and it's getting cartoonishly ridiculous that people are such suckers for it, which makes people like me avoid it like the plague. Of course, knowing Disney they'd want everyone age six months to on their death bed subscribed, so their numbers will probably never be good enough.
Believe it or not, there was a time when there were these things called discs. They had actual movies on them that you could physically put into a player and watch, and they even used to come with other discs that had even more content on them, like these things called special features. It's crazy, I know, but you could actually watch these movies ANY time, and you never had to stop them mid-viewing or quit watching them because the movie never buffered or because your internet dipped out for a day. It just...worked. And once you paid for your movie, you got it forever, and didn't have to pay even more money to get access to it on a service that could take that content away any time they pleased, since you never truly owned any of it. What halcyon days those were...
You can laugh about VHS, but between those and streaming at least those versions always work no matter the conditions short of you stamping on the tape and pulling it apart. How the current trends have gotten this modernized against physical media genuinely depresses me. But it's something I've seen coming for a long time.
@AstonLotus, hey, man, if you want to see the actor's heads in Endgame, you gotta pay up to the House of Mouse. I don't care if you already pay for three other services, Disney+ is where it's at, so close down those other ones and hop on the train. I don't care what your internet is like either, or if you can justify paying a monthly fee just to watch a few movies once or twice a year, get your wallet out and let Mickey have a look at your credit cards. ;-)
Face it, man, we're dinosaurs. The appreciation for media that you can hold has been replaced with stuff that's just out there somewhere that we're told we own, but not really at the same time. And I guess people like that inherent risk and uncertainty surrounding digital media, and the sterile feeling you get from it. I for one, do not. I'd rather have to buy ten bookcases for my movie collections than have my entire movie library available on a service that could shut down or on a computer that could die. The convenience and reliability of physical media is unmatched, no matter what the people supporting the new status quo say.
;)
You don't really think that, do you? Disney+ is everywhere. Like it loathe it, a huge amount of people have it.
I'm getting the feeling I'm older than you so I suspect I have way more physical media than you probably do, shelves of the stuff. But I'm not being silly about it. I could say that a certain game is being 'withheld' from me because it's only available on X-Box, that a film is being 'withheld' from me because it's only in the cinemas right now etc. but that would all be silly. It's just where these things are available: they choose to release them wherever they want because they own them. You don't have some sort of right to possess them in the form you demand: saying it's being withheld from you is a really entitled way to go about things.
Just relax a bit and watch them where they're available if you want, don't if you don't want. They're only slightly taller versions of superhero movies you've obviously seen loads of times before FFS.
It's pretty simple: one is available to watch, the other isn't. That you choose not to pay to watch one of them doesn't mean it isn't available, it's your choice. I would quite like to have the IMAX version of the Bond films, but I can't. I'll live.
Your attitude is not impressive.
D+ is a TV service, not a service where it pretends that you own the material. I don't get upset that I don't own the episode of Stath Lets Flats I just watched on Channel 4 on a shiny disc, because it was on the TV.
Disc: You buy it for $20 or whatever when it comes out, and have watched it every year for the past 5 years and will watch it again for the next 5 years and so on.
Cost: $20
Viewings: 5
Future Viewings: As much as you want
Streaming: You begin the streaming service for $5/month for the past 5 years, and plan to watch it again for the next 5 years and so on.
Cost: $5 x 12(months) x 5(years) = $300
Viewings: 5
Future Viewings: However long the streaming service decides to keep the film in it's library.
It's obviously not a 1-1 comparison, and your $5/month gets you access to a ton of content, not just OHMSS every Christmas, but for some people I think they're paying all this money, and they have no idea how long they'll have access to this content. I get when people are concerned about streaming services vs. physical media for this reason. But of course, when you're watching the film, in that moment it doesn't matter where it's coming from (as long as you have a solid internet connection).
I just can't help but be cynical about where things are going, entertainment wise. People can hop on the band wagon of having a handful of streaming services they throw money at, but it's a ridiculous and regressive business model that needs to be watched. It's already become so normalized, and it's because people have eaten it up and accepted it. We're already seeing services making their content exclusive to streaming and never having physical releases, and that's just the tip of the ice berg for people like me who like to actually own the content they enjoy, with the security of knowing that once you have it, it's yours.
Honestly, I’m with you. If only because of my fear of needing a stable internet connection to rely on streaming. Gives me the willies.
I’ll admit, though, I do subscribe to a great many streaming services. We get good use out of them all though, I’d say.
I think my experience with internet providers, particularly given my area, has made me far more cynical about online only everything, from games that require a connection to play or streaming platforms. If you pay top dollar for something, you deserve to have the service you pay for. If I'm paying for a subscription fee for Disney+ and my internet is dodgy, that's not an economical or responsible way to spend my money, considering I'm being cheated out of it. And that's not on Disney, that's just the nature of circumstance. And my circumstances, regardless of my own personal preference for it, drive me closer and closer to physical media by the day. It's times like these where you really take tangible media for granted, but it's always there when you need it...unlock everything else.
Glad someone sees my side, at least. I hope that when I get sent to the psyche ward in a few year's time, we can share a room together. We can mumble at the good old times of DVDs when the TVs stream a choppy and unstable picture back at us.
Actually I don't, I live in a pretty urban area, and honestly my internet connection is pretty reliable. But it still stresses me out. I was once watching one of the new Star Trek films with my dad, and right at the climax of the film, my internet connection stuttered and I lost all the HD resolution for some of the really cool sequences of the film. I was so frustrated; at least with a disc, you know it's going to be 1080p the whole time!
It's tough though because I see both sides of it. Like I said, I do subscribe to nearly all the services that are available here (Netflix, Crave+HBO, Disney+, Amazon Prime Video...), it's getting to the point where they're big enough that their original content is all getting really good (The Irishman, Succession [though to be fair HBO has always made good content], The Mandalorian, respectively... and I'm sure Amazon has some good stuff too???), but it does sort of feel like a commoditization of this media. And these services can take away any of the content they offer with little notice.
It also had a decent chase sequence for TV budget levels.
I’ll bring the beer! We can laugh at how Live And Let Die was censored at some point for streaming due to its “ problematic “ depiction of Sheriffs and their treatement of African American drug dealers while we laugh that we still have the uncensored version on Blu ray!
They think the uncensored film is bad? :))
It's not the same deal, though. It's a TV service, not a film ownership one.
If you're in the UK you pay a TV licence: it doesn't guarantee you access to all of the films you want to own, just to what they broadcast to you. Same with any TV station really: you pay their advertisers and you get to watch their TV schedule. You might like Inspector Morse, and you pay ITV's advertisers to show it, but that's not the same as owning the show forever. That was never the promise, and if you thought it was then you're mistaken.
@MakeshiftPython, I believe he was just making a future prediction, given the trajectory of the world. At least I hope. Of course, they've already censored the novel, so the movie getting the same treatment probably isn't far off the horizon. There's people who'd hate LALD just for daring to have black people as villains.