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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Black Panther is an amazung film that sets itself apart like a star player. It functions and allows audiences to be immersed into this new world of Wakanda, which serves as an actual character with in the film. You get to really know the characters, their customs and way of life and thus can appreciate a lot more what youre actually watching compared to what we ordinarily see in most of these types of movies.

    It's been said numerous times that the women are a standout, especially Okoye and Suri and the praise isnt exaggerated. These women and the rest of the supporting cast are fleshed out well enough so as to not simply be rendered peripheral furnishings. Shuri, T'Challa's teenage sister is the smartest person on the planet in the MCU but its a combination of her genius and playful sibling devotion to her brother that makes her such a scene stealer and memorable character.
    Okoye, the leader of the Dora Milaje, the Black Panther's all female special forces bodyguards is a real sight to behold. Her fierce loyalty to Wakanda and the throne is not to be messed with. She's tge definition of badass. There's a reason why she was in tge money shot of tge Infinity War trailer.

    The action is great, particularly the fights at Warrior falls. Everything about this film from a techical standpoint, music, acting, humor is 10/10 stuff. The cinematography, Ludwig's score, the use and placement of the soundtrack is the best utilisation Marvel has executed in a long time if not ever.

    Jordan as Killmonger is one of the best villains if not the best Marvel villain. You understand the basis of his reasoning for why he does what he does and its quite sad and tragic. The film raises an interesting point and perspective on the matter of the African diaspora and in general, the morality of those in power's ppsotion in helping otgers or doing nothing at all. Fortunately it never gets preachy and is a testament to Coogler's and Joe Robert Cole's expert writing .

    Winston Duke as M'Baku was great. A fantastic frenemy with perfect comedic timing and I can't wait to see more of him in Infinity War and Black Panther sequels.

    Andy Serkis as Klaw returns. We last saw him in Age Of Ultron and this guy is having the time of his life. He's definitely crazy and creepy and funny. He's actually make a breath and memorable Bond villain now thatvibthink about it.

    Young King T'Chaka...knows how to make an entrance and his BP outfit was sweet AF.

    Boseman IS T'Challa/BP. Regal, majestic, stoic, slick, full of swag and is such a great actor. He's like Sean Connery as James Bond, not much to discuss because he's that damn good.

    The outfits...now as a Nigerian who's very much in touch with my culture, they captured the vast and varied styles of clothing when it comes to African attire. It could be tribal warrior gear, casual clothing or something more formal...the costume designer did her homework and brought Africa proudly to the big screen.

    The marriage of tech/science with tradition, spirituality and nature are brought together seamlessly and does justice to what Stan Lee and Jack Kirby first envisioned and what was built upon by subsequent writers and artists in black Panthers 52 year history.

    This film loosely references the events of Civil War and to a lesser extent Age of Ultron but enjoys standing triumphantly on its own.

    It's a 9/10 film for sure and I'll be watching this again later TONIGHT after Valentines day dinner and again on Friday evening andvtwice more over the weekend.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Just came back from Black Panther: amazing film, probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite MCU film (Winter Soldier still my favorite of the whole lot). Incredible action scenes, killer soundtrack, great performances all round from Chadwick Boseman, Martin Freeman, Forrest Whitaker, Michael B Jordan, Lupita Nyong'o, Daniel Kaluuya, Andy Serkis and all the others I forget the name of. I will probably do like @doubleoego and watch it again in the coming days. It was so entertaining! The 2 hour 15 minutes runtime flew by.

    Yes, the time definitely flew by. It could have done with another 20 minutes.
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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @bondjames I hope you'll get to see Black Panther soon, I think you'll really enjoy the film.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm seeing it on Friday @DaltonCraig007. Glad to read that it's living up to the hype. I've avoided everything about it to date and so will essentially be going in blind. Looking forward to it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 @bondjames @MajorDSmythe @DarthDimi @doubleoego @Creasy47 @ClarkDevlin


    Variety is reporting that Black Panther‘s box office estimates have risen to $170 million in North America, which would make it the biggest domestic debut for an MCU origin film. If those numbers do happen, Black Panther would beat the previous record set by Spiderman: Homecoming by over over $50 million (or over $70 million if we count Iron Man instead of the 2nd Spiderman reboot).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I do hope it does.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    @ClarkDevlin deadline.com are saying it could go even beyond that, up to $180 million opening weekend, if not close to the $200 million mark.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Even better!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I am seeing it this weekend.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 @bondjames @MajorDSmythe @DarthDimi @doubleoego @Creasy47 @ClarkDevlin


    Variety is reporting that Black Panther‘s box office estimates have risen to $170 million in North America, which would make it the biggest domestic debut for an MCU origin film. If those numbers do happen, Black Panther would beat the previous record set by Spiderman: Homecoming by over over $50 million (or over $70 million if we count Iron Man instead of the 2nd Spiderman reboot).

    Excellent news. It deserves to make a crapload of money.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @ClarkDevlin deadline.com are saying it could go even beyond that, up to $180 million opening weekend, if not close to the $200 million mark.

    200 million over the 4 days? That would be truly phenomenal. For this to have made 90 to 110 million opening weekend would have been a huge success not so long ago.
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    Wow. That would be a marvel.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited February 2018 Posts: 15,716
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 @bondjames @MajorDSmythe @DarthDimi @doubleoego @Creasy47 @ClarkDevlin

    Black Panther thursday night previews are pacing around $25 million, making it:

    - The 2nd or 3rd best MCU preview yet (whether it beats Civil War which also sits at $25m), behind only Age of Ultron's $27.7 million)
    - The biggest pre-summer preview ever, ahead of The Hunger Games' $19.7 million.
    - Nearly doubles the previous February previews record by Deadpool ($12.7 million)

    And the pre-ticket sales now makes Black Panther the fourth biggest pre-seller of all time, behind only The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi and Rogue One.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I saw Black Panther last night. I enjoyed it. The trailers didn't set my world on fire and neither did the film but it was all good fun nonetheless, even if it was a tad slow.

    The cast do what they can with fairly standard material. The music was good (despite my theatre having possibly the worst sound system around). The CG laid on a little too thick at times. But I had fun with it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Got back a while ago. This is a great origin story with charismatic and richly textured characters who enliven the film. It's very much an ensemble effort, although it of course revolves around Chadwick Boseman's titular character. He slips into the suit as well as he did in Civil War, but we get to learn more about his people and background here, as can be expected. Coogler must be commended for making every supporting player three dimensional and real and giving Wakanda an ethereal and dreamlike quality.

    The CGI is indeed laid on a bit thick, as is par for the course with these films. Nevertheless, I didn't find it overly distracting. I found the 'one on one' battles between T'Challa and challengers to his throne to be the most engaging physical encounters in the film. Certainly far more interesting than the CGI mayhem and somewhat generic large battle finale. The score, as has been mentioned by others, is really good and supports the film.

    In a nutshell, I'd say this film is less James Bond (as had been reported) and more Afro-centric Star Wars. Like the original 1977 classic there is an epic fantasy element to it. Like in SW, we are transported to a land (not so far away this time) with exciting and interesting characters. There is also a similar emotional operatic intensity to the narrative here, and a personal element which resonates.

    So, all in all an enjoyable experience. I'd personally put it on par with last year's Wonder Woman or The First Avenger. Go check it out. It's worth it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Agree about Wonder Woman. I personally preferred The First Avenger over both, by far.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I liked the era's in which Wonder Woman and First Avenger were set, I preferred the former though both good films. Black Panther sounds good I like the lost City/Country concept, I'll wait till Bluray release its rare I go to the cinema now.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited February 2018 Posts: 11,139
    A+ Cinemascore confirmed.

    Black Panther is so far the most critically acclaimed and highest rates comic book movie of all time!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    @doubleoego I hear it’s based on one of Christopher Priest’s early 2000s story arcs for Black Panther. Is that true?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    @doubleoego I hear it’s based on one of Christopher Priest’s early 2000s story arcs for Black Panther. Is that true?

    It draws from almost every run but the Priest, Hudlin and Coates runs are major influences. I'm not a big fan of Coates in fact I detest the guy and hoped the film drew a lot more from Hudlin.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    @doubleoego I hear it’s based on one of Christopher Priest’s early 2000s story arcs for Black Panther. Is that true?

    It draws from almost every run but the Priest, Hudlin and Coates runs are major influences. I'm not a big fan of Coates in fact I detest the guy and hoped the film drew a lot more from Hudlin.
    I see. I hope his influences weren't that much of a draw. Regardless, I'll be seeing the film next week as it's highly anticipated for me.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Hopefully you'll enjoy it. It's a really good film. Not perfect and naturally there are flaws and a few things I have issues with but it's still a fantastic film worthy of the hype and praise it's been getting.
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    very enjoyable and worth a cinema visit.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 3,333
    I wasn't that impressed by Black Panther to be honest. At times I found it quite boring and there was way too much expository dialogue for me, and not a lot of it I found that engaging. The faux Afrikaan accent began to grate on me after a while, too. I enjoyed Andy Serkis when he was in it. Every scene he's in lifts the movie from being a rather turgid affair. Letitia Wright, as the tech-whiz younger sister, was there to offer our superhero a helping hand with the frivolous comedy relief and Get Out of Jail Free techno cards, but I found her annoying and childish at times. Best moments for me were the scenes in South Korea and perhaps the British Museum takedown. Anyone else think the casino scene reminiscent of Skyfall? I'd go so far to say all the best hand-to-hand combat scenes were in the trailer so there were no great surprises when I was actually watching it. Maybe this movie works for those that have daddie-issues, but I just wanted to tell these young adults to grow-up and pull yourself together - when all it really took was a dramatic sunset of the wilderness for them to see the error of their ways. I'm not sure what political messages (if there were any messages) Marvel were trying to make but stealing the fabled El Dorado from the Western Hemisphere, namely South America, and transposing it to Africa felt insincere and disingenuous to African culture, especially when Marvel could have mined from the Kingdom of Aksum, the Carthaginians or the Kongolese Kingdom or perhaps even the Queen of Sheba - but no, instead they took El Dorado from the Spanish legend and dressed it up as African. At times I felt like I was watching a poor imitation of the Lion King but without the good Elton John songs. That's not to say that I don't like Chadwick Boseman because I do. I think he's an excellent actor. I just wish they'd given him something more worthy of his talents than this.

    What this movie does do (much like the new Star Wars does) is make me arrive at the conclusion that I can no longer trust the critics anymore. While I don't think this movie is out-and-out terrible (it's middle tier for me) the potential I first saw in Captain America: Civil War has been lost.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Got back a while ago. This is a great origin story with charismatic and richly textured characters who enliven the film. It's very much an ensemble effort, although it of course revolves around Chadwick Boseman's titular character. He slips into the suit as well as he did in Civil War, but we get to learn more about his people and background here, as can be expected. Coogler must be commended for making every supporting player three dimensional and real and giving Wakanda an ethereal and dreamlike quality.

    The CGI is indeed laid on a bit thick, as is par for the course with these films. Nevertheless, I didn't find it overly distracting. I found the 'one on one' battles between T'Challa and challengers to his throne to be the most engaging physical encounters in the film. Certainly far more interesting than the CGI mayhem and somewhat generic large battle finale. The score, as has been mentioned by others, is really good and supports the film.

    In a nutshell, I'd say this film is less James Bond (as had been reported) and more Afro-centric Star Wars. Like the original 1977 classic there is an epic fantasy element to it. Like in SW, we are transported to a land (not so far away this time) with exciting and interesting characters. There is also a similar emotional operatic intensity to the narrative here, and a personal element which resonates.

    So, all in all an enjoyable experience. I'd personally put it on par with last year's Wonder Woman or The First Avenger. Go check it out. It's worth it.

    Wow, agree like 100% here. Well done, BJ!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited February 2018 Posts: 25,094
    I have noticed more mixed reviews online from fans as apposed to high Critic appraisal for Black Panther, I think the problem with many modern day Blockbusters is over hype, the marketing for films now is crazy it's all about getting people on seats for the all important opening weekend.
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    A lot of times it seems like critics praise certain films in a kind of domino effect, and they become afraid to go against the popular opinion. In my own experience, I have agreed with both critics morseo and audiences moreso on movies, depending on the movie.
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    Both good points made, @Fire_and_Ice_Returns and @FoxRox. After posting my comment, I've taken a quick glance at some of the other less praiseworthy reviews posted on the net. One thing does strike me and that is that the reviewers seem to be bending over backwards to try and not offend and are constantly having to remind the reader (or viewers if it's a videoblog) that it's only *their* opinion. I certainly agree with the "domino effect" that you pointed out @FoxRox.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I agree with your assessment though, @bondsum

    I enjoyed it but I expected something groundbreaking considering the hype and the majority of the reviews. I must add yet again that the quality of the VFX wasn't up to standard.
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