How long is a reasonable hiatus?

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    A sequel for Spectre at this point would be a bad idea. Quantum of Solace and On Her Majesty's Secret Service came just 2 years after their predecessor. But coming 4 years after Spectre, most viewers would have already forgotten about it. Especially since it was not that memorable of a story to begin with.

    Exactly. The only people I know who were still talking about SPECTRE 6 months after it's release were hardcore fans. The film made a lot of money in cinemas, but since then there's been very little enthusiasm to see what comes next.
  • edited June 2017 Posts: 2,115
    Milovy wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    If they would come out and say the next Bond film is slated for 2019 (or even 2020) and we are looking for a director, writing the script at this moment, etc., and at least give us some info, I would be satisfied.
    Don't they usually announce writers and a director when they start working on a film?

    Until then, it's safe to assume Bond 25 isn't in production.

    They announced Purvis, Wade and Peter Morgan were going to do the then-unnamed Bond 23. Announcement took place in 2009.

    This contains the text of the press release.

    http://commanderbond.net/6302/neal-purvis-robert-wade-and-peter-morgan-to-write-bond-23.html

    Then the MGM bankruptcy happened. After that was over, a short announcement came out saying Mendes was directing and the writers were Purvis, Wade and John Logan. Announced January 2011.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    Skyfall took 4 years because of the MGM bankruptcy, but Bond-25 is on track to take the same length for no reason other than Craig not feeling up to it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Skyfall took 4 years because of the MGM bankruptcy, but Bond-25 is on track to take the same length for no reason other than Craig not feeling up to it.

    To be fair, I think they are all burnt out on Bond at the moment. Micheal is dealing with health issues, so presumably not the force he once was, Barbara like Craig is seeking other creative outlets, and Gregg is still too young. I think they need a shake up, so maybe the time out isn't a bad idea. Better that than soldiering on when they aren't fully committed and produce something mediocre. This way the hunger for Bond will gestate for a while, and by the time they're ready to return, audiences will be drooling for the next adventure.

    A long gap between Bonds is never fun, but at least we know they have to come back with their A game. There's no excuse.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    When the title of the last film was SPECTRE (already an established item in the franchise) with the villain Blofeld (same) and it makes around $880 million at the box office, I'd give the audience some credit to remember.

    Backing up, after several decades when the filmmakers finally got the rights to film CASINO ROYALE, it could have been filmed many ways. Use Brosnan (I fully expected this) and film it as an older Bond like the ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE story. Do it as a one-off, then go straight into stand-alone missions like the previous ones. Or just add satellites that use diamonds to create powerful death rays.

    What the producers did was use the opportunity to change the franchise, modernize it, and keep the best of the established formula. One of the boldest choices they made was to show Bond's first two kills and the start of his career as a double-oh--not for everyone, but to me it improves the story. With that, they chose to build their film formula over time rather than putting absolutely everything on the table all at once straight up. To make sense of staples like the martini, the sacrificial lamb, Bond being captured and tortured by the villain. Why he doesn't keep relationships with women.

    So I listened to comments in 2006 that they "forgot" to include Moneypenny and Q. Or that lines like "do I look like I give a damn" were an insult or lashing out at longtime fans. I never took it that way.

    With QUANTUM OF SOLACE, some folks reacted against the style of the film especially the intense editing. So for four years I listened to cries declaring failure and requiring universal hatred directed toward it. While its box office was about the same as CASINO ROYALE, and audience measures like IMDb ratings were about the same as many fine Bond films. Still, the idea was it was such a bad film it put the whole franchise in jeopardy and the success of the next one definitely in question. Regardless, the filmmakers would NEVER mention the name Quantum EVER again. And after Jesper Christiansen's insulting comments in the press it was definite the Mr. White would NEVER appear in another Bond film, he was to be included out for eternity. Name stricken, I shouldn't even be writing it here.

    Moving on four years, the 2012 film SKYFALL made over $1.1 billion and was very well-reviewed. Future not in question after all.

    Next to 2015's SPECTRE, and references to Quantum pepper the film. Mr. White has his biggest role yet--his daughter is even the main Bond Girl, the first one for Craig since 2006, really. As mentioned, very successful at the box office.

    So another Bond film will come 2018 or later. I expect the producers have their plan, may redirect it based on events. But with ownership of the rights to SPECTRE and Blofeld, they will use those over time. I expect it can be a bridge to another actor in the Bond role, and also part of the transition to more standalone, caper-focused missions like films 1962-2002 leaving a lot of the personal drama behind.

    Or not. But any way I look at it, the future is bright.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    I have no problem waiting, but in turn, I think it is reasonable to expect clear communication. Not just for the fan's sake, but investors too.

    They're profits are dipping a bit. If they need to restructure the business, that's totally fine. But they should at least let people know what the problem is and how they plan on fixing it
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    When the title of the last film was SPECTRE (already an established item in the franchise) with the villain Blofeld (same) and it makes around $880 million at the box office, I'd give the audience some credit to remember.

    I've witnessed audience not recognizing an important character from a previous 'Fast & Furious' film when I went to see the latest outing of that franchise.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    In that case, not remembering didn't figure into the latest movie's success. There are many sides to it.

    With SPECTRE, if it's spoken as dialog that's enough to trigger some originally short-term memories. But as your example shows, audiences more react to the latest film by word of mouth, the advertising campaign, and their personal tastes viewing it. Don't have to be invested in or remember the previous one.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I don't think casuals care. If a Bond film is out, they'll be there, particularly if they're Brits. It's just something you do. We are the only ones that care about all the minutia of the movies, and their production. They come strictly for entertainment, we come to nitpick every second of its runtime.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't think people will necessarily forget about Madeleine; rather, I think they won't care whether she returns or not. Bond girls have been picked up and dropped without consequence for over half a century. It's only been in recent times that we got strong references to a previous Bond girl. The nod to Tracy in TSWLM, FYEO and LTK is almost an Easter egg. I doubt many people make the connection. But I digress.

    My point is, if Craig returns and there's no Blofeld or Madeleine, not too many people will question that.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    As it should be. Audiences should consider what the next film is, over what it isn't.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    EON just announced Bond 25 will be out in May 2051. No word from Craig yet as to wether he will return.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    EON just announced Bond 25 will be out in May 2051. No word from Craig yet as to wether he will return.

    By then Sean will be returning.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    EON just announced Bond 25 will be out in May 2051. No word from Craig yet as to wether he will return.

    By then Sean will be returning.

    Yes, cloning technology may be perfected by then.

  • EON just announced Bond 25 will be out in May 2051. No word from Craig yet as to wether he will return.

    They're moving to a May date??? Don't they realize that by 2051 no blockbusters will be released in May—only the indie flicks usually reserved for February and those films everyone has basically given up on before arrival—due to severe global warming forcing everyone who hasn't already immigrated to the Arctic or Antarctica underground for the summer months? Nice planning, Eon.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Reasonable? None. None hiatus.

    Even so, prediction: Bond 25 released in 2051? He never left.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    EON just announced Bond 25 will be out in May 2051. No word from Craig yet as to wether he will return.

    My heart stopped beating half way through that sentence until I saw 2051. U dog
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    There will be other Bond films before then.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If a Bond film isn't released in 2019 or sooner, something has gone seriously wrong.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    EON just announced Bond 25 will be out in May 2051. No word from Craig yet as to wether he will return.
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  • EON just announced Bond 25 will be out in May 2051. No word from Craig yet as to wether he will return.

    No. 2052. 90th anniversary. Bond and Blofeld (Daniel Craig, Cristoph Waltz) duel to the death in an assisted living facility.
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    I think regardless of how long in between the next two installments with Craig are, they should keep the core cast together. Fiennes, Harris, and Winshaw should all have more time together to solidify the new rebooted Bond regulars. 2 films isn't enough. I don't want another situation like they had with Dalton's crew (especially with Moneypenny) where it didn't feel full enough because it was over so fast. it will also feel better having the 7th Bond actor coming in with a more established supporting cast.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I think regardless of how long in between the next two installments with Craig are, they should keep the core cast together. Fiennes, Harris, and Winshaw should all have more time together to solidify the new rebooted Bond regulars. 2 films isn't enough. I don't want another situation like they had with Dalton's crew (especially with Moneypenny) where it didn't feel full enough because it was over so fast. it will also feel better having the 7th Bond actor coming in with a more established supporting cast.
    I'm quite the opposite and am actually looking forward to another Dalton to Brosnan complete cleanout (keeping 'Q' as the only holdover again).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I think regardless of how long in between the next two installments with Craig are, they should keep the core cast together. Fiennes, Harris, and Winshaw should all have more time together to solidify the new rebooted Bond regulars. 2 films isn't enough. I don't want another situation like they had with Dalton's crew (especially with Moneypenny) where it didn't feel full enough because it was over so fast. it will also feel better having the 7th Bond actor coming in with a more established supporting cast.
    I'm quite the opposite and am actually looking forward to another Dalton to Brosnan complete cleanout (keeping 'Q' as the only holdover again).

    And an Irish lead.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I think regardless of how long in between the next two installments with Craig are, they should keep the core cast together. Fiennes, Harris, and Winshaw should all have more time together to solidify the new rebooted Bond regulars. 2 films isn't enough. I don't want another situation like they had with Dalton's crew (especially with Moneypenny) where it didn't feel full enough because it was over so fast. it will also feel better having the 7th Bond actor coming in with a more established supporting cast.
    I'm quite the opposite and am actually looking forward to another Dalton to Brosnan complete cleanout (keeping 'Q' as the only holdover again).

    And an Irish lead.
    Jamie Dornan?

    Seriously though, it would be quite a coincidence if they did that (repeating the Dalton to Brosnan cleansing) although recent reports suggest it's quite unlikely.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    I think regardless of how long in between the next two installments with Craig are, they should keep the core cast together. Fiennes, Harris, and Winshaw should all have more time together to solidify the new rebooted Bond regulars. 2 films isn't enough. I don't want another situation like they had with Dalton's crew (especially with Moneypenny) where it didn't feel full enough because it was over so fast. it will also feel better having the 7th Bond actor coming in with a more established supporting cast.
    I'm quite the opposite and am actually looking forward to another Dalton to Brosnan complete cleanout (keeping 'Q' as the only holdover again).

    And an Irish lead.
    Jamie Dornan?

    Seriously though, it would be quite a coincidence if they did that (repeating the Dalton to Brosnan cleansing) although recent reports suggest it's quite unlikely.

    Hehe.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Insufferable.
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'm willing to push 3 as reasonable, but not every time. 4 is ridiculous.
    Agreed. 4 years for the 2nd time with a returning actor is beyond shameful, no matter what the extenuating circumstances may be.
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