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Dr. No versus the field: Skyfall

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  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 755
    This was really hard...

    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR (my favorite TC)
    Main Villain: CR (almost a tie, but DN campyness gives LeChiffre the edge)
    Main Bond Girl: CR (none better than Eva)
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humour: CR (though love deadpan DN)
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: CR
    Bond Performance: Yikes I’m actually going with CR...

    14-3 to CR

  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
    Posts: 1,596
    Dr. No vs. Casino Royale

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: DN (close)
    Main Bond Girl: CR (also close)
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN (close)

    9-8 in favor of Dr. No. Both films easily in my top 6 or so in the series.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 655
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 11
    CR: 6
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,045
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: CR
    Settings: DN
    Action: CR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 10
    CR: 7
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR (Le Chiffre)
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humour: CR
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: CR
    Bond Performance: CR

    DN - 2
    CR - 15
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Henchman: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN (late 50s/early 60s classicism tops anything modern, even if it's not top notch)
    Settings: DN
    Action: CR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN (by a very wide margin!)

    DN - 13
    CR - 4
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    Any final entries before we hit the last three Craigs?
  • ChrisMC36SSRChrisMC36SSR
    Posts: 133
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: CR
    Settings: DN
    Action: CR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 10
    CR - 7
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    GBF wrote: »
    There is hardly any better Bond performance than Sean in DN.

    Indeed. I don't do the rankings, but I'm genuinely surprised to see so many members giving CR a win in this category.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,722
    Title Track: CR (I love the energy and theme of YKMN)

    Title Credits: CR (the card theme works very well. Coming off the end of a great PTS and combined with the title track it looks great.)

    Main Villain: DN (very close, but Julius' menace wins it over Le chiffre's desperation)

    Main Bond Girl: CR (vesper is perhaps my favourite Bond girl. Green makes a hell of an impression and effect on the story and Bond himself.)

    Henchman: DN (Professor Dent's slimey deception wins it)

    Overall Plot: CR

    Dialogue: DN (could be a tie. Love both film's dialogue.)

    Score: CR (Arnold's finest work)

    Settings: DN (how I love fleming's Jamaica presented to us while he's still alive)

    Action: CR (the parkour chase, Miami airport sequence, stairwell fight and finale are highlights of the series)

    Humour: DN (close but like the sly, dead pan humour in DN.)

    Cinematography: CR (both are great look at.)

    Benign Bizarre: DN

    Suspense: CR

    Minor Characters: CR

    Glamour: DN

    Bond Performance: DN (two of my favourite bond performances ever - but I actually think Connery has to win this every time for his intro scene alone. It's the ultimate 007 moment.)

    Dr. No - 8
    Casino Royale - 9

    Casino Royale is #2, DN #6 so this feels right. I love both these films and have nothing high praise for both of them.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    edited December 2018 Posts: 3,370
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humour: CR
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: CR
    Bond Performance: CR

    DN - 3
    CR - 14
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    MooseWithFleas wrote: »
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: CR
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: CR
    Settings: CR
    Action: CR
    Humour: CR
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: CR
    Bond Performance: CR

    DN - 14
    CR - 3

    Don't you mean that the other way round ?
  • GBFGBF
    Posts: 3,197
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: DN (but it is close)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Henchmen: DN (Is there one in CR?)
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: CR
    Settings: DN
    Action: CR
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: CR
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 10
    CR - 7
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,890
    Are we moving on with QoS?
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 655
    Yikes! QoS will lose every category here, except maybe the score.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,370
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Don't you mean that the other way round ?

    Yes thanks - fixed!
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    It might be Christmas Eve, but it's always time for an update on the great head-to-head game. I had intended to provide one much earlier, but at the start of this month, I moved, which threw things into disarray for a while. This time around, Dr. No fought valiantly but fell short for the first time in a while, losing by a margin of 227-123. The games were a bit closer, with DN falling to Casino Royale 13-8. Still, it looks to bounce back big against Craig's sophomore effort, Quantum of Solace. My scores first...

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN (I have a weird affection for Quantum's title track and credits, but they can't compete here.)
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchmen: DN (Elvis will have his revenge...eventually.)
    Overall Plot: DN (too bad for everybody's favorite oil-stealing scheme that's actually a water-stealing scheme)
    Dialogue: DN (The unfinished script suffers mightily here.)
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS (As dumb as the title cards are, the movie has some great spots.)
    Action: QoS (There is certainly a lot of it.)
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN (The Tosca scene is great, but it can't overcome the pretentious nonsense and the accursed shaky cam. I still can't really follow the opening car chase.)
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN (I considered going QoS on this one; it could use a helping hand.)
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    And DN did indeed bounce back big, winning 14-3. Let's see if QoS can do any better with you, and I hope you all have a merry Christmas and a happy new year!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: QOS
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS )
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN wins 12-5
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    edited December 2018 Posts: 1,890
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: QoS
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: QoS
    Bond Performance: QoS

    QoS - 10
    DN - 7

    Not surprised.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humour: QoS
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: QoS
    Bond Performance: DN

    QoS: 11
    DN: 6

    In my recent Bondathon, I ranked DN ahead of QoS, so this is indeed interesting.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 755

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: QoS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN: 15
    QoS: 2

  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Thousandth post. Yay me lol. I rank these two very close so it should be interesting.

    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: QOS
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: QOS (I love Jamaica but there's more variety in QOS)
    Action: QoS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: QOS

    QOS - 10
    DN - 7
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 655
    I don’t understand where folks are finding glamour in QOS. It’s the least glamorous of them all. To say it’s more glamorous than DN is ridiculous. There’s isn’t even a casino scene. It’s just a Jason Bourne clone of a movie. Then to also say that QOS has better dialogue and plot... well, I just can’t fathom any of this. Oh and don’t get me started on the title track - the White/Keys tripe is better than the legendary Bond theme? Umm, no.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    It’s why we play these games @ringfire211 . It would be pretty damn boring to come to this site to see we all voted the same, think the same, have the same films in alignment, and so on. I enjoy seeing the differences; I like to read the differing opinions. I’ve said it before, some of the different perspectives have certainly made me see certain Bond films in a more favourable light.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,722
    Title Track: DN (Not a fan of AWTD)

    Title Credits: DN (I have a nostalgia for DN's dancing dots. QOS's are a bit like a cut scene from a video game)

    Main Villain: DN (Julius is top flight villain.)

    Main Bond Girl: QOS (camille has more agency and wins for her intro scene with Bond which I love and her assault on the villains in the finale.)

    Henchmen: DN (elvis is near the bottom of the henchman rankings.)

    Overall Plot: DN (Really enjoy the way it unfolds from mysterious disappearance to underground lair. Bond does some nice detective work in this one too.)

    Dialogue: DN (DN could win this for the Bond meeting Dr No scene alone)

    Score: QOS (some of Arnold's finest work)

    Settings: DN (gimme Fleming's Jamaica while he was still alive. I feel we really get to experience Jamaica. those shots of Quarrel walking to pussfellas along the dock with the paint can or the three blind mice wandering the streets. They add to the colour and give the film time to breathe and let us soak up the tropical atmosphere. Not to mention the beauty and danger of Crab Key,)

    Action: QOS (great action in QOS - the opening car chase, the foot chase and rope hanging fight, the motorcycle/boat chase and finale. I also enjoyed the plane dogfight a lot on the last viewing)

    Humour: DN (love the dry humour of DN)

    Cinematography: QOS (I don't mind the shaky cam and can follow what's going on. But more than that I think it's an occasionally artfully shot film that has a distinct colour palette that works more successfully than SP. I love how DN is shot and presented too - it's one of my favourites)

    Benign Bizarre: DN (metal hands, spiders in noir-lit rooms, dragons, three blind mice, mink lined prisons)

    Suspense: QOS (both are very good. Could go either way so I'll give this to QOS)

    Minor Characters: DN (I really like Mathis, Leiter and Beam but Quarrel, Felix, Pussfella, sister rose and Lilly in DN win it along with M and Moneypenny - and my namesake of course...)

    Glamour: DN (I like the Tosca scene but nothing can compete with 1962 glamour and that casino scene)

    Bond Performance: DN (the gold standard of Bond performances)

    DN - 12
    QOS - 5

    I do enjoy QOS a lot however I rank DN above QOS. Although this seems a little disproportionate when broken into categories like this.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,370
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: QOS
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    QOS - 3
    DN - 14
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 655
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: QOS
    Settings: DN
    Action: QOS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 15
    QOS - 2
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,662
    Title Track: QOS - because although QOS < Bond theme, QOS > Bond theme with Three Blind Mice
    Title Credits: QOS - unfairly underrated, because the much derided song plays over the top of it
    Main Villain: DN - close call - I do love Greene, slimy little weasel that he is
    Main Bond Girl: QOS - I like Honey, but Camille is fine and can kick ass
    Henchmen: DN - Dent and Mr Jones versus Elvis? Nuff said.
    Overall Plot: DN - although i do like the controlling of water - it's just like in real life
    Dialogue: DN - there's some great dialogue to be found in QOS, but DN has many classic lines
    Score: QOS - one of Arnold's best, along with TND and CR
    Settings: DN - love QOS, and prefer when Bond does more globe trotting, but Jamaica is used very well here
    Action: DN - nice amount of action here, and I could understand what's happening
    Humour: DN - not a lot of humour here, but more than in QOS
    Cinematography: DN - close call here
    Benign Bizarre: DN - tarantula room/dragon tank/the Doctor's hands versus ?
    Suspense: DN - we need more of this in B25
    Minor Characters: DN - Dent/Jones/Quarrel/Felix/Taro - one of the best films for minor characters
    Glamour: DN - Le Cercle; Dr No's dining room
    Bond Performance: DN - you can't beat classic Connery

    DN: 13
    QOS: 4

    I think DN would make it into my Top 10, and although I love QOS, it sits in the bottom 10. Both films have major re-watch value.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: QOS
    Main Villain: QOS
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: QOS
    Dialogue: QOS
    Score: QOS
    Settings: DN
    Action: QOS
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: QOS
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: QOS
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 8
    QOS - 9

    That was a close one.
  • TR007TR007
    Posts: 1,165
    Title Track: DN
    Title Credits: DN
    Main Villain: DN
    Main Bond Girl: DN
    Henchmen: DN
    Overall Plot: DN
    Dialogue: DN
    Score: DN
    Settings: DN
    Action: DN
    Humour: DN
    Cinematography: DN
    Benign Bizarre: DN
    Suspense: DN
    Minor Characters: DN
    Glamour: DN
    Bond Performance: DN

    DN - 17
    QOS - 0

    Straight flush for DN. Although QOS is one of the all time worst Bond movies, it was a surprise to see it score a 0 on my list.
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