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  • Posts: 9,860
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Compared to your bs I am on topic lol
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2018 Posts: 18,345
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.

    Exactly like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And like Islam's 72 Virgins that you mocked so much until I called you on it. In essence, how do you assess that a claim is true, or at least plausible, and another one bonkers?

    That's really all you've got on me after over 100 pages of this thread? One off-the-cuff throwaway line about Islam that I later retracted?

    It's frankly pretty pathetic to keep banging on about it. That seems to be one of your main debating techniques though. The three Rs - repetition, repetition, repetition. I find it tiresome and expected somewhat more of you as an academic. What a pity.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited June 2018 Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.
    I don’t understand why you aren’t more understanding of other people’s beliefs?

    Given the stick you’ve received on this thread for believing in such things as talking snakes one might think you’d empathise with followers of invisible dragons or the FSM?

    I don’t know, it’s almost as if you think believing in those things is not as ridiculous as believing in God and think God believers should be regarded as somehow being above other believers in utter bollocks?

    Yes, it is. It's exactly that.
    Well where does it say your beliefs should take precedence over others? That would be a religious dictatorship - which I’m sure you’d love as long as it ended up being your religion - but thankfully we live in a free country where everyone can believe whatever bullshit they like.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.

    Exactly like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And like Islam's 72 Virgins that you mocked so much until I called you on it. In essence, how do you assess that a claim is true, or at least plausible, and another one bonkers?

    That's really all you've got on me after over 100 pages of this thread? One off-the-cuff throwaway line about Islam that I later retracted?

    It's frankly pretty pathetic to keep banging on about it. That seems to be one of your main debating techniques though. The three Rs - repetition, repetition, repetition. I find it tiresome and expected somewhat more of you as an academic. What a pity.

    Works for Paxman at exposing idiocy or hypocrisy.

    Just address his point and then he wouldn’t need to keep repeating it.

    Can we all guess what @Dragonpol’s next post is going to be?

    1, 2, 3 - all together now: ‘I haven’t got anything more to offer so I will refrain from posting in this thread again’

    Do I win the caravan?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,345
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.
    I don’t understand why you aren’t more understanding of other people’s beliefs?

    Given the stick you’ve received on this thread for believing in such things as talking snakes one might think you’d empathise with followers of invisible dragons or the FSM?

    I don’t know, it’s almost as if you think believing in those things is not as ridiculous as believing in God and think God believers should be regarded as somehow being above other believers in utter bollocks?

    Yes, it is. It's exactly that.
    Well where does it say your beliefs should take precedence over others? That would be a religious dictatorship - which I’m sure you’d love as long as it ended up being your religion - but thankfully we live in a free country where everyone can believe whatever bullshit they like.

    You'd like to remove all religious freedoms of course. You have that in common with fascism and communism. Strange bedfellows perhaps, but that much they agree on at least.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.
    I don’t understand why you aren’t more understanding of other people’s beliefs?

    Given the stick you’ve received on this thread for believing in such things as talking snakes one might think you’d empathise with followers of invisible dragons or the FSM?

    I don’t know, it’s almost as if you think believing in those things is not as ridiculous as believing in God and think God believers should be regarded as somehow being above other believers in utter bollocks?

    Yes, it is. It's exactly that.
    Well where does it say your beliefs should take precedence over others? That would be a religious dictatorship - which I’m sure you’d love as long as it ended up being your religion - but thankfully we live in a free country where everyone can believe whatever bullshit they like.

    You'd like to remove all religious freedoms of course. You have that in common with fascism and communism. Strange bedfellows perhaps, but that much they agree on at least.
    And you’d like a one religion state like Saudi Arabia.

    Personally I’d rather live in Germany in the 30s or Russia in the 60s than under sharia law administered by you and @Risico007.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,345
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.
    I don’t understand why you aren’t more understanding of other people’s beliefs?

    Given the stick you’ve received on this thread for believing in such things as talking snakes one might think you’d empathise with followers of invisible dragons or the FSM?

    I don’t know, it’s almost as if you think believing in those things is not as ridiculous as believing in God and think God believers should be regarded as somehow being above other believers in utter bollocks?

    Yes, it is. It's exactly that.
    Well where does it say your beliefs should take precedence over others? That would be a religious dictatorship - which I’m sure you’d love as long as it ended up being your religion - but thankfully we live in a free country where everyone can believe whatever bullshit they like.

    You'd like to remove all religious freedoms of course. You have that in common with fascism and communism. Strange bedfellows perhaps, but that much they agree on at least.
    And you’d like a one religion state like Saudi Arabia.

    Personally I’d rather live in Germany in the 30s or Russia in the 60s than under sharia law administered by you and @Risico007.

    Where did I say that? I'm not opposed to the separation of Church and State at all and I'm certainly no supporter of Sharia law! More lazy stereotypes from the Wiz! Yawn.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited June 2018 Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.
    I don’t understand why you aren’t more understanding of other people’s beliefs?

    Given the stick you’ve received on this thread for believing in such things as talking snakes one might think you’d empathise with followers of invisible dragons or the FSM?

    I don’t know, it’s almost as if you think believing in those things is not as ridiculous as believing in God and think God believers should be regarded as somehow being above other believers in utter bollocks?

    Yes, it is. It's exactly that.
    Well where does it say your beliefs should take precedence over others? That would be a religious dictatorship - which I’m sure you’d love as long as it ended up being your religion - but thankfully we live in a free country where everyone can believe whatever bullshit they like.

    You'd like to remove all religious freedoms of course. You have that in common with fascism and communism. Strange bedfellows perhaps, but that much they agree on at least.
    And you’d like a one religion state like Saudi Arabia.

    Personally I’d rather live in Germany in the 30s or Russia in the 60s than under sharia law administered by you and @Risico007.

    Where did I say that? I'm not opposed to the separation of Church and State at all and I'm certainly no supporter of Sharia law! More lazy stereotypes from the Wiz! Yawn.
    Clearly you’ve been on the scrumpy tonight and are struggling to keep up with points raised barely a page ago but I’ll make it easy for you and provide the relevant quotes:
    I don’t know, it’s almost as if you think believing in those things is not as ridiculous as believing in God and think God believers should be regarded as somehow being above other believers in utter bollocks?
    To which you responded:
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Yes, it is. It's exactly that.
    So who decides your religion should take precedence over everyone else’s? You I presume? And once your Christian utopia is in government what happens to all the nonbelievers? We all know what happens when people have absolute power.

  • Posts: 15,232
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.

    Exactly like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And like Islam's 72 Virgins that you mocked so much until I called you on it. In essence, how do you assess that a claim is true, or at least plausible, and another one bonkers?

    That's really all you've got on me after over 100 pages of this thread? One off-the-cuff throwaway line about Islam that I later retracted?

    It's frankly pretty pathetic to keep banging on about it. That seems to be one of your main debating techniques though. The three Rs - repetition, repetition, repetition. I find it tiresome and expected somewhat more of you as an academic. What a pity.

    It is merely one question you refused to answer, until you decided to retract as you say so you would not answer it and admit bias in favor of Christian credos. I do find the 72 Virgins belief ridiculous, but I don't believe in a parthenogenesis, in a talking snake, in transubstantiation (or consubstantiation, or whatever), in the resurrection, etc.

    But if you find assessing truth and plausibility pathetic... Well, I think it's actually essential.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2018 Posts: 18,345
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.

    Exactly like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And like Islam's 72 Virgins that you mocked so much until I called you on it. In essence, how do you assess that a claim is true, or at least plausible, and another one bonkers?

    That's really all you've got on me after over 100 pages of this thread? One off-the-cuff throwaway line about Islam that I later retracted?

    It's frankly pretty pathetic to keep banging on about it. That seems to be one of your main debating techniques though. The three Rs - repetition, repetition, repetition. I find it tiresome and expected somewhat more of you as an academic. What a pity.

    It is merely one question you refused to answer, until you decided to retract as you say so you would not answer it and admit bias in favor of Christian credos. I do find the 72 Virgins belief ridiculous, but I don't believe in a parthenogenesis, in a talking snake, in transubstantiation (or consubstantiation, or whatever), in the resurrection, etc.

    But if you find assessing truth and plausibility pathetic... Well, I think it's actually essential.

    I don't believe in transubstantiation either, not being Catholic. That's one thing we do agree on.

    Members of a faith must have some inherent bias towards it, unless they are to convert to another faith or stop believing altogether. Why don't we stop pretending that everything has to be black and white with no nuance at all?

    Everything in life has a certain bias if you look at it that way. It's not the plaything of religion solely.
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    Ah wiz kid so your a nazi communist fantastic well perhaps your issue with me calling you a serial killer is that it’s too light compared to your actual bedfellows
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I don't believe in transubstantiation eithet
    Yeah I mean talking snakes is fair enough but transubstantistion is just getting silly. I’m relieved to see you have a line in the sand.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Ah wiz kid so your a nazi communist fantastic well perhaps your issue with me calling you a serial killer is that it’s too light compared to your actual bedfellows
    Where did I say that? I merely stated I’d prefer to live under the Nazis or the Communists than you and @Dragonpol being charge, thus highlighting how undesirable living in a Christian nirvana presided over by you would be.

    I know it’s difficult when the grown ups are talking but try and keep up.
  • Posts: 9,860
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I don't believe in transubstantiation eithet
    Yeah I mean talking snakes is fair enough but transubstantistion is just getting silly. I’m relieved to see you have a line in the sand.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Ah wiz kid so your a nazi communist fantastic well perhaps your issue with me calling you a serial killer is that it’s too light compared to your actual bedfellows
    Where did I say that? I merely stated I’d prefer to live under the Nazis or the Communists than you and @Dragonpol being charge, thus highlighting how undesirable living in a Christian nirvana presided over by you would be.

    I know it’s difficult when the grown ups are talking but try and keep up.

    Says a poster who whines as a child but wants religious people to die yeah your an adult alright and I am the pope
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,832
    Okay, a lot of this is very funny, but let's dial down the personal barbs just a bit... this is on the edge of an imminent thread closure.
    Oh wait- I'm not a mod here...
    Please continue the hilarity! ;)
  • Posts: 9,860
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Okay, a lot of this is very funny, but let's dial down the personal barbs just a bit... this is on the edge of an imminent thread closure.
    Oh wait- I'm not a mod here...
    Please continue the hilarity! ;)

    Yes let’s here more from Wiz kid on how Po pots was simply misunderstood
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Well, I checked in here because the title of this thread sounded oddly openminded and welcoming ... but I see my gut feelings were right. Utterly predictable how discussions here go. I don't know why it was ever opened, except there must be a need to strongly disregard and disrespect (loudly with as much venom and pseudo pithy rejoinders as possible) other people's opinion regarding their personal faith.

    Really, it is a little entertaining to glance through, but why don't you just change the title of the thread to something far more accurate, like: "Religions? All kinds shredded ~ Join in for free-for-all bashing, namecalling, and lack of tolerance." OR "Whack-A-Religion" (you know like the carnival "whack-a-mole" game. Yes, that's more accurate. :)
  • Posts: 15,232
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Spamming the thread now, Riz?

    Am I to take it then that the invisible dragon in the garage wasn't spam?

    The invisible dragon is actually a valid point and a fair question.

    Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, it's actually just people with an axe to grind pretending to be a "religion" to make some point or other that's been lost along the way. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

    There was even a (blessedly very short-lived) thread on said invisible dragon in the garage. It was actually a knee-jerk response to my earlier Ghost thread, which this thread has (regrettably) overtaken long ago.

    Exactly like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And like Islam's 72 Virgins that you mocked so much until I called you on it. In essence, how do you assess that a claim is true, or at least plausible, and another one bonkers?

    That's really all you've got on me after over 100 pages of this thread? One off-the-cuff throwaway line about Islam that I later retracted?

    It's frankly pretty pathetic to keep banging on about it. That seems to be one of your main debating techniques though. The three Rs - repetition, repetition, repetition. I find it tiresome and expected somewhat more of you as an academic. What a pity.

    It is merely one question you refused to answer, until you decided to retract as you say so you would not answer it and admit bias in favor of Christian credos. I do find the 72 Virgins belief ridiculous, but I don't believe in a parthenogenesis, in a talking snake, in transubstantiation (or consubstantiation, or whatever), in the resurrection, etc.

    But if you find assessing truth and plausibility pathetic... Well, I think it's actually essential.

    I don't believe in transubstantiation either, not being Catholic. That's one thing we do agree on.

    Members of a faith must have some inherent bias towards it, unless they are to convert to another faith or stop believing altogether. Why don't we stop pretending that everything has to be black and white with no nuance at all?

    Everything in life has a certain bias if you look at it that way. It's not the plaything of religion solely.

    So transubstantiation could be true, the pope could be the successor of Saint Peter divinely mandated by God but you don't believe in it because it's not in the tenants of your particular brand of faith? At least you're honest but it's not very solid. Why have an inherent bias, especially on something that important? Personally I'd rather rationally establish if beliefs are justified.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Risico007 wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Okay, a lot of this is very funny, but let's dial down the personal barbs just a bit... this is on the edge of an imminent thread closure.
    Oh wait- I'm not a mod here...
    Please continue the hilarity! ;)

    Yes let’s here more from Wiz kid on how Po pots was simply misunderstood

    Paul Potts, or Pol Pot?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited June 2018 Posts: 9,117
    RC7 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Okay, a lot of this is very funny, but let's dial down the personal barbs just a bit... this is on the edge of an imminent thread closure.
    Oh wait- I'm not a mod here...
    Please continue the hilarity! ;)

    Yes let’s here more from Wiz kid on how Po pots was simply misunderstood

    Paul Potts, or Pol Pot?
    Paul Potts =))

    The irony of a bloke who is not even on nodding terms with the concepts of grammar or syntax making quips about people being misunderstood is too much.
    Well, I checked in here because the title of this thread sounded oddly openminded and welcoming ... but I see my gut feelings were right. Utterly predictable how discussions here go. I don't know why it was ever opened, except there must be a need to strongly disregard and disrespect (loudly with as much venom and pseudo pithy rejoinders as possible) other people's opinion regarding their personal faith.

    Really, it is a little entertaining to glance through, but why don't you just change the title of the thread to something far more accurate, like: "Religions? All kinds shredded ~ Join in for free-for-all bashing, namecalling, and lack of tolerance." OR "Whack-A-Religion" (you know like the carnival "whack-a-mole" game. Yes, that's more accurate. :)
    You’re certainly entitled to your opinion dear @4EverBonded but I’m afraid the genie is out of the bottle regarding respecting religion and it ain’t going back in again.

    This thread isn’t just, as you state, a slagging off of religion (although that aspect of it is certainly a lot of fun), we have tried to ask serious questions - Even if one could prove his existence why is God worthy of respect? Why are other people’s irrational beliefs ridiculous but yours aren’t? Why does he permit baby cancer? Where is the evidence for talking snakes? - but it’s not our fault that the religious run away from the debate by concentrating their efforts on obfuscation, biased YouTube videos from dubious sources or simply refusing to engage.

    We on the non believing side are here for a debate but sadly there is no one on the other side capable of addressing any of our questions head on.
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    Some decent points amongst the personal stuff.

    I'm genuinely fascinated re the response to the invisible dragon. If you go though the bible, step by step, it is jam packed with THE most remarkable stuff. Too many to list here but we are all aware of content. To many , not only are these stories factually true but they deserve respect, even from non believers. They actually happened: full stop.

    Others make their own claims to stories which are just as remarkable and they are "slapped down" in terms that they are taking the micky and (this is interesting) that the idea has not been established long enough. More lack of reflection from those of faith:

    by defintion, there was a time who Christianity was brand new.

    "Jesus was born yesterday"

    "Jesus turned water into wine last week"

    "Jesus did some other clever stuff last fortnight"

    Also, by defintion, these claims/stories were taking seriously and not written off due to their newness. If they had have been, Christianity would have died within a year or so. Killed off by those who would not tolerate claims that had not been established.

    This level of scrutiny is not rocket science. It's just basic adult thought processes. But those of faith, yet again, find it impossible to be consistant. Coming up with one rule for their own set of facts and a different rule for other peoples facts.

    PS The dragon told me he had has been there for 3 months which I was not impressed with but then I found out that a dragon month is actually one billion years so he is actually very well established.





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    @4EverBonded as @TheWizardOfIce said, we asked legitimate questions about beliefs and made some valid points that were unfortunately not addressed by the believers. We also cleared things up for some participants who were leaning on deism and at least one who was having issues with his faith.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited June 2018 Posts: 9,117
    patb wrote: »
    Also, by defintion, these claims/stories were taking seriously and not written off due to their newness.
    I think the fact Christianity was taken seriously and is still here therefore it must be true forms the backbone of @Risico007’s ‘argument’. Until we can prove there’s another reason why people believed in it then he will accept it as true. That’s setting the burden of proof exceptionally low but that’s up to him I suppose.

    I think the fact that Christianity has refused to go away and has lingered on for 2000 years like a recurring skin condition also gives rise to @Dragonpol’s desire for it to be given precedence over other beliefs. Again a worse than feeble argument which you immediately blow out the water below:
    patb wrote: »
    The dragon told me he had has been there for 3 months which I was not impressed with but then I found out that a dragon month is actually one billion years so he is actually very well established.



    patb wrote: »
    This level of scrutiny is not rocket science. It's just basic adult thought processes. But those of faith, yet again, find it impossible to be consistant. Coming up with one rule for their own set of facts and a different rule for other peoples facts.
    This is where they are making fools of themselves. Once you cross the line into ‘faith’ you give up all rights to criticise others who postulate alternative but equally far fetched theories hence they try so desperately to shut down any mention of invisible dragons and the FSM because it lays bare the ludicrousness of their own position.

    The options open to them are try to suggest the invisible dragon are not the same as proper religions and shouldn’t even be in the debate - a logical non starter which exposes them as hypocrites - or if they cave in and give the invisible dragon and FSM equal billing to their God it lays their faith open to ridicule.

    They really have nowhere to go.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited June 2018 Posts: 5,080
    Damn I’ve trod through 300 new comments since I last read this thread, but the most striking thing to take away from this behemoth of a thread is that @Risible thinks that women who abort are murderers and refers to a female colleague as a “dirty blond”. Methinks the misogynism of the Bible is starting to rub off...
  • Posts: 4,617
    Gender equality nowhere to be seen in the 10 commandments.

    In fact, can anyone point me towards any established religion that has gender equality at its foundations? Funny that.

    "The cure for poverty has a name: it's called 'the empowerment of women'. Now, name me a religion that stands, or has ever stood, for that."
    Hitch

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    patb wrote: »
    Gender equality nowhere to be seen in the 10 commandments.

    In fact, can anyone point me towards any established religion that has gender equality at its foundations? Funny that.

    "The cure for poverty has a name: it's called 'the empowerment of women'. Now, name me a religion that stands, or has ever stood, for that."
    Hitch
    Sorry mate I can’t allow you to disparage religion’s good name like that - in Saudi they are allowed to get a driving licence now!

    Admittedly they still have to go round wrapped in a curtain and will be stoned to death for adultery but you can’t have everything I suppose.
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    patb wrote: »
    Gender equality nowhere to be seen in the 10 commandments.

    In fact, can anyone point me towards any established religion that has gender equality at its foundations? Funny that.

    "The cure for poverty has a name: it's called 'the empowerment of women'. Now, name me a religion that stands, or has ever stood, for that."
    Hitch
    Sorry mate I can’t allow you to disparage religion’s good name like that - in Saudi they are allowed to get a driving licence now!

    Admittedly they still have to go round wrapped in a curtain and will be stoned to death for adultery but you can’t have everything I suppose.

    And the Catholic Church thinks highly of Virgin Mary because she got it without doing it. And three women first saw Christ risen or so Ris believes. But then again he wants to commit adultery with that dirty blonde and a couple of female coworkers. But he wouldn't do that on God's watch. His wife is so blessed to have him. (Sorry I can't get over it: religious devotion is moral bankruptcy).
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Ludovico wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Gender equality nowhere to be seen in the 10 commandments.

    In fact, can anyone point me towards any established religion that has gender equality at its foundations? Funny that.

    "The cure for poverty has a name: it's called 'the empowerment of women'. Now, name me a religion that stands, or has ever stood, for that."
    Hitch
    Sorry mate I can’t allow you to disparage religion’s good name like that - in Saudi they are allowed to get a driving licence now!

    Admittedly they still have to go round wrapped in a curtain and will be stoned to death for adultery but you can’t have everything I suppose.

    And the Catholic Church thinks highly of Virgin Mary because she got it without doing it. And three women first saw Christ risen or so Ris believes. But then again he wants to commit adultery with that dirty blonde and a couple of female coworkers. But he wouldn't do that on God's watch. His wife is so blessed to have him. (Sorry I can't get over it: religious devotion is moral bankruptcy).
    Easy to scoff isn’t it but he’s got moral guidance mate, what have you got? Bet you’re out shagging dirty blondes every night. You disgust me frankly. It’s a good job there are people out there like Rizzers to act as a beacon of decency for society.
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    Especially with this thred, I always pause a few seconds before clicking on Post comment" just in case I have gone over the top.

    That "dirty blond" comment, it's hard to ignore. But cut's to the heart of the morality via religion argument.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Gender equality nowhere to be seen in the 10 commandments.

    In fact, can anyone point me towards any established religion that has gender equality at its foundations? Funny that.

    "The cure for poverty has a name: it's called 'the empowerment of women'. Now, name me a religion that stands, or has ever stood, for that."
    Hitch
    Sorry mate I can’t allow you to disparage religion’s good name like that - in Saudi they are allowed to get a driving licence now!

    Admittedly they still have to go round wrapped in a curtain and will be stoned to death for adultery but you can’t have everything I suppose.

    And the Catholic Church thinks highly of Virgin Mary because she got it without doing it. And three women first saw Christ risen or so Ris believes. But then again he wants to commit adultery with that dirty blonde and a couple of female coworkers. But he wouldn't do that on God's watch. His wife is so blessed to have him. (Sorry I can't get over it: religious devotion is moral bankruptcy).
    Easy to scoff isn’t it but he’s got moral guidance mate, what have you got? Bet you’re out shagging dirty blondes every night. You disgust me frankly. It’s a good job there are people out there like Rizzers to act as a beacon of decency for society.

    I would, but my wife wouldn't let me! And also I do not think in my situation extramarital sex would be justifiable. That's how it works for a godless heathen: you need to figure things out by yourself to establish if they are moral and what is the right thing to do. For the believer there's always "God says so". And if you fall into temptation, admit you are a worthless sinner amd ask for forgiveness. You might as well sin all the time.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Well, I checked in here because the title of this thread sounded oddly openminded and welcoming ... but I see my gut feelings were right. Utterly predictable how discussions here go. I don't know why it was ever opened, except there must be a need to strongly disregard and disrespect (loudly with as much venom and pseudo pithy rejoinders as possible) other people's opinion regarding their personal faith.
    My personal faith is both very flexible and bullet-proof. Thus, I cannot be offended, but I can be entertained. Honestly, Wiz & Lud are cracking me up here. As long as they don't take aim at Buddha. Ahh, what the Hell, make fun of him too; it's all good. ;)
    Really, it is a little entertaining to glance through, but why don't you just change the title of the thread to something far more accurate, like: "Religions? All kinds shredded ~ Join in for free-for-all bashing, namecalling, and lack of tolerance." OR "Whack-A-Religion" (you know like the carnival "whack-a-mole" game. Yes, that's more accurate. :)
    "Whack-A-Religion"- yeah, perfect.
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    Oh I'd take a shot at Buddha. He has a few disgusting things up his sleeve and concepts such as reincarnation are just as unjustified as any core Christian beliefs.
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