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If you’re saying that the criteria you use is that if you @Dragonpol think something is not moral then you don’t believe in it then I think we might finally have an answer, laughable though that is to any thinking mind.
I think I've given my reasons clearly enough. Take from my answers what you will and move on to the next sticking point. At least I have answered the question. You may not like the answer, but there it is.
You’d better hope Draggers is not on the jury though if you end up falsely charged with murder folks. Because your cast iron alibi is irrelevant if he finds what you were doing at the time immoral.
Surely you can see the inherent ludicrousness of that position?
You seem to misunderstand. I was referring to God and religion, as that was what I was asked about. I wasn't asked for my thoughts on jury trials and I resent you constantly putting words in my mouth.
What it is you believe in - religion, tooth fairy, Santa, England winning the World Cup - is largely irrelevant. It’s your reasons for coming to your decision that we are asking about.
You were asked how you assess the veracity of someone’s claims/beliefs.
I suppose it is factors outside of one's control, at least initially, that determines what you believe and why. That is the best answer I have and no doubt the only true answer there is.
I suppose it must be at least one of the main criteria when it comes to choosing to follow or believe in a religion. There is always a leap of faith involved as well, obviously, as none of us have seen God.
But the actions are not valid to any sane human being. That is what counts in religion.
Well, failing Man Utd getting relegated, that’s the best laugh I’m going to have for the next decade.
Look at the state of your punctuation sir! Are you Risible in disguise?
You can commit murder or rape and be perfectly sane. And actually cannibalism can be done for rational reasons. Being evil and being insane are two different things. And assessing there's a God has nothing to do with morality. Whether God is moral or not is a different question entirely.
You can have a loose definition of morality, certainly.
You are always misrepresenting myself and others of faith. That is your only stock in trade.
I already have my response to that by saying if God created snakes he could presumably give them a voice as well. Can you accept that? I know you don't believe in God of course, but why is this such a big issue with you?
If God created snakes, why is it so? He made a donkey rebuke someone too. As a non-believer, it is ridiculous to you, but nothing is impossible to the creator of snakes, surely? I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one though. I can't ever see a meeting of minds on it, short of you taking a brain haemorrhage.
But I agree once you’ve crossed the line and decided to buy into all this drivel then at least you understand that normal rules of logic and science are no longer applicable so everything is up for grabs? Why not a snake that can play Rachmaninoff’s piano concerto number 3 or that can play snooker? Anything must be possible in your world, which at the very least, must mean you lead a more interesting lifethan those of us boringly bound by the laws of the universe.
On the contrary, my life can't be very interesting at all if I can find time to waste by posting replies in this thread and thereby perpetuating. I must try harder to resist the temptation to ever post here again.
What do you mean?
It's not about having a loose or a narrow definition of morality. The question of God's existence is irrelevant to his morality or lack of. And one can assess the morality of a God regardless of his existence or nonexistence, by judging the characteristics his worshipers claim he has.
In other words: 1)you are not justified to believe in any Christian dogmas because you find them moral, 2)you cannot assess veracity of something according to its moral value, 3)God's existence would not make him moral.
I'd add to this that the Christian God is an immoral and even an amoral one, and so are salvation, hell and other godly stuff.
It’s strangely convenient that living in Northern Ireland after he evaluated everything he ended up a Christian rather than a Muslim. Just like 99.9% of everyone in Northern Ireland and 99.9% the other way in Saudi.
I would very much doubt that 99.9% of people are Christians, even in Northern Ireland. There are plenty of athiests and members of other religions here too.
I should have said 99.9% of the people who are content to take what they have been spoon fed from birth as fact and have no interest in thinking for themselves.
Thank you for taking me to task there Draggers and giving me the opportunity to clarify that.
Yet botzam’s brain, spontaneous growth and macro evolution is perfectly plausible right?
Btw it should be obvious that in a million years my posts now will have evolved to have perfect grammar
So funny...
This from their website exposes Draggers’ Christian ‘morality’ argument as something of a sham:
‘Since 1998 the NS Documentation Centre has been housed in ‘EL-DE Haus’, the EL-DE building. Significantly this building was the headquarters of the Cologne Gestapo between December 1935 and March 1945. The name EL-DE is based on the phonetic pronunciation of the letters L and D and comes from the building’s developer, Leopold Dahmen, a Catholic businessman who rented the building to the Gestapo even while it was still under construction.’
I’m sure God looked favourably upon him for making a quick buck off the suffering of his fellow man. After all if they were Jewish they were non believers anyway so he was probably doing God’s work.
Anyway off now to drink some beer and with a bit of luck find a dirty blonde or two. What a morally defunct life we heathens lead when compared to the example set by our Christian brethren.