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'the Pope's investigators have now launched their own probe, seeking evidence from the US.'
They're taking it pretty seriously and I'm sure will get to the bottom of it just like FIFA's internal investigation committee has rooted out all corruption.
This next statement is staggering and something all the appeasers and apologists over the last few pages (looking primarily at you I'm afraid @NicNac - even though I am sure your wife's school is perfectly nice and harmless) should go away and have a quiet think about:
'The Vatican said recalling the priest was consistent with diplomatic practice of sovereign states.'
The sheer arrogance and privilege of religion laid bare. They actually consider themselves a 'sovereign state'! No accountability to any voters and a vast empire built on conning the gullible and hoarding Nazi gold yet we are all supppsed to respect them and regard them as equals with the rest of the civilised world.
It's also about time Italy started taking some flak for harbouring this criminal organisation within its borders.
wouldn't be the first time religion and hypocrisy were bedfellows. :-D
or more like a Cardinal Richelieu. :-D
This thread clings to you like a disease, it seems. ;)
Yes, I really need to stop commenting on it now. I might chip in if I have anything worthwhile to add I suppose. We'll see.
Well, the key is to avoid taking comments personally, which I think has been the problem so far. We've lost about all the religious members at one point or another, and now it's just a pod of atheists who aren't deterred. We of course do have the advantage here, as we stand on more debatable grounds with more ammunition to use thanks to the long history of religious evidence to support our views.
Education, across-the-globe communication, the lure of youthful opposition to parental doctrine, ... have all allowed widespread atheism and religious indifference to bleed into our Western societies over the span of merely one or two generations. Seldom will the average atheist clash with dogmatic teachings in schools and elsewhere. Atheists simply stop going to church, stop reading the bible, stop discussing morality on a religious canvas. And life goes on. And things are well.
The funny thing is that it doesn't really feel like some "victory" or "ultimate price"; instead it feels like common sense, like a natural evolution, the result of the mind growing brighter, smarter and wiser. Most atheists nowadays do not think of their intellectual freedom as something they must forcefully impose on the lives of the religious; they are at best bothered by the fact that the religious haven't done so themselves yet and that certain religious strongholds are still capable of surviving in a Western democracy despite tons of facts, scientific and otherwise, contradicting the very foundations of their so-called Faith.
When a core group of religious loudmouths furthermore attacks atheism, it's relatively easy for the atheist to defend himself, having actual evidence on his side, except when the religious zealot starts producing his own brand of evidence from the realm of the supernatural, the bible and other places the atheist knows isn't real or meaningful.
When a discussion goes like this...
- There are no smurfs.
- Of course there are. You can see them in the cartoon.
- You know those cartoons were created by people who thought up those smurfs, right?
- No, they were inspired to make those cartoons by the real smurfs.
- Have YOU seen an actual "real smurf" then?
- No, but I don't have to. I believe what the cartoon tells me. Besides, you can't prove they don't exist.
... that's when atheists get frustrated. It's like talking to little children. Best thing to do is to turn your back and walk away. You're not going to discuss rocket science with a retarded kid either. And overtime, the zealot is likely to have some offspring who will liberate itself from the dogmatic clutches of its parents and become one of us.
The only way for the religious to maintain a strong position in our modern world, is by corrupting our educational system. Sadly, that's precisely what's going on right now in certain parts of the world, like certain Muslim countries and the USA.
Expected to follow their beliefs or they get special privileges in law over me.
3/3 for the Scotsmen! :D
You don't need religion to be a good person. You don't need religion for morale guidance. You don't need religion to form opinion.
You just need to be a good person.
Atheism doesn't tell you what to think about gay people, or what you should eat and drink. Or what position you should have sex in. Or which parts of your body are inappropriate to show in public.
There are good and bad atheists. There are good and bad religious people. The difference is that bad atheists arrived at their bad decisions on their own, not on the whims or compulsion or instruction from a non existent deity. No atheists believe that their actions will be rewarded in another life.
That's an incredibly rewarding freedom, gift and responsibility.
There are still laws out there.
It's called the Age of Enlightenment for a reason
True, because otherwise they kill you. When religion governs every aspect of society, it is politics.
The other thing is that the media give them a free run so of a person of faith is discussusing an earth quake or storm, they never get questioned concerning why God created the diasaster in the first place.
Oh and on a side note isn't Songs of Praise a useless program?
In all seriousness, I've only been reading comments in this thread rather than commenting myself but your post made me say something because I completely agree. When people tell me their religion is why there's good in the world I can't help but twitch a little bit.
I don't consider myself an atheist but I'm not highly religious either. Many would probably call me agnostic but when it comes to religion I don't like to label myself anything. Neil DeGrasse Tyson said it best...
They still give a tad too much importance to religion IMO. Well the C of E anyway. And to Ann Widdecombe, aka the UK's dumbest Christian.