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You can do anything while waving a cross it seems, and appear to be an alright person in the doing. Just gotta watch out if are one of the faithful who feel up kids, as pedophilia under the church has finally got enough eyes on it that priests have ruined it for everyone else. One must find a new hobby to pursue with their unnatural sexual repression.
You've got some good points, but for me religion is also about power and how to use it like keep people ignorant and believing in something better that they will only obtain by keeping the faith. Heck religion destroyed complete civilizations in the New Worlds where faith lead the way of greed an power.
The Roman empire did not change their religion for a new one aka Christianity because of any faith reasons, it was a pure political choice based once again on the power principle.
Religion is for me means of controlling people in though and deeds.
That's definitely a part of it, @SaintMark. I've always viewed the bible as man's greatest psychological tool of control. A bunch of people were able to write a text that made the others of society get in line for fear of being sent to the mythical hell, a place the writers devised as being as traumatic as possible to control the populace's behavior and to increase their motivation to escape it. Not that this ever works as well as one would hope, but it's very easy to look at the bible and see what was intended by parts of it. You don't manufacture fake rules and tenets for people to follow and hold the power of a malevolent God over their heads if they don't live according to them unless you want to control what they do to a high degree.
People seem to hold the bible accountable for creating morality (a bit of a joke, as far as I'm concerned) but you'll find far more beastly things in the tome than anything else. It's never a good thing to be "fearing" of your god, or scared of what he'll do when you misbehave. And even if you love this God, he still screws you over (look at poor Job or those of Noah's time who decided not to believe in him). Not the kind of creator I'd throw my lot in with, that's for sure.
And still they are a dominant factor in large parts of the world including the US where Guns & Christianity are still very important in politics & running the nation.
The problem is the absence of distance between the tale and the theist: they think it's literally true!
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How about this link?
Yes thanks.
@0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Yes true and now I can see the picture on the previous post. It's a miracle!
Glad to know I've converted at least a few of you. My work here is done.
Sure, there's a lot of poor people, cancer sufferers and kids born with defects out there in this crazy world but those are simply people who are victims of themselves and their circumstances, and not bad blueprints of God's creation plan. If they only took initiative in their lives and trusted him more they wouldn't have been so bad off.
Boy there are so many things wrong with what he says and plain stupid and I have no time at the moment to dwell on them. Suffice to say right now that he should never, ever have been the party leader.
'As a Christian, of course I think there are common values to all humankind. We see them in the commandments, and in one sense we don’t need to be told them because we know instinctively what is wrong and what is right – it’s one of the key proofs that God exists.'
Christ.
How is it possible that someone with such a preposterous grasp of logic can be elected to public office?
I'm even embarrassed for him for that imbecilic statement.
Go off and get a job presenting Songs of Praise mate because your 15 mins is long overdue.
That would depend. I'd say at least some of the teaching of Jesus has borderline socialist implications. He seemed to be a radical egalitarian, in fact. Even early Christian and monastic communities had collectivist economies.
@TheWizardOfIce Painful isn't it? Imagine him PM. And the worst thing is, we now have a petty church lady instead.
How unfortunate for the party.
It's funny that by saying that we know what's right and wrong without being told, that chap was basically confirming that religious teaching isn't needed for someone to be an upstanding citizen. He certainly unconsciously also implied that the bible isn't the only means through which one can be good; what is good is inherently known and felt. Can we agree to drop the fairly tales now?
Since Christmas is on the way, here's my first present for all my fellow atheists: some laughter and mild feelings of possible superiority. A hilarious advertisement in the states for a product called "The Wonder Bible." I won't say any more and let you experience the full effect blind:
Exactly.
Putting such people in any position of authority means giving them a mandate to fold their hands, have five minutes of transcendental whatever, and base their next decisions, which could influence the lives of hundreds or even millions, on a confluence of vague, irrational thoughts or shadows thereof, lacking reason and pragmatic substance. But hey, who are we to judge? Americans still want their next president to say, "God bless America!" which to any sane person reads as, "Middle-Ages, here we come again!"
How longer do we have to wait before 'faith' is regarded as the mental illness it clearly is and you are declared unfit for public office?
The sad thing is that human population percentages are heavily bent towards favoring religious belief, and in places like America faith is actually an advantage in being elected. Those with logic and rationality are a minority at this point, and faith shall only be viewed as a negative when the high percentage of those who subscribe to religious belief are swapped with those who favor science and rational thought. Unfortunately I don't think any of us will live to see that change, no matter how hard we're trying to make it so.