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I've been baptised myself but my son is not. Neither is my wife as she comes from a secular atheist family. She's been asked by some acquaintances if our son is a godly child. She said no, then the acquaintances changed topic.
Your tactic of sinning it up and apologizing at the end is exactly what I plan on doing with my life if it comes to that, and I've got it all planned out. I'm not a drinker but I'll for sure fill my life with constant utterances of "Goddammits" and "Jesus Christs," have a woman from every port if I get about to traveling and will not marry any of them, I'll make good friends with even more gays that I've got already and will additionally fight for sexual recreation and the dreaded sodomy that troubles the faithful so in the only way I deem fit: through oral presentation worldwide (extra emphasis on oral). On my deathbed I will really be testing God's lenience and forgiveness, as I'll use my last breaths before last rites to jerk it and experience some final pleasure before I'm sent on my way to the palace in the clouds with a cleared record free of all the debauchery committed. Should be an interesting life, if I play my cards right and God remains quite as foolish as he is now when I'm due for expiration.
On the plus side this is a heterosexual scandal and even better: no sex crime has been committed and the relationship was consensual. On the other hand: what hypocrisy from the Church and a cop out from the father and his bosses.
"The former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron has said he regrets telling people he did not believe gay sex was a sin when he was forced to clarify his position during the election campaign.
The MP said he had felt “isolated” and under pressure from his party to say gay sex was not sinful, suggesting he ended up misleading the public about his views."
I said not mandatory.
Don't get the choice. You must simply Obey !
No thinking for yourself. Just follow the other sheep.
Remember though, unless you are literally forced into any religion, you have the choice to be or not be in any religion. And to be honest, a good number of people with religious affiliations won’t be 100% traditional - at least in places such as the US. I think in many cases organized religions can be evil, corrupt institutions, but many times it’s a completely optional thing to enter one or leave. I won’t make any excuses for the groups that basically kidnap and have people held hostage within the religions. That’s just sick.
I can understand a 100% negative view of religion if one doesn’t have any association or has had only bad associations in the past. There are a lot of bad things that have come from organized religion, but also many times people do think for themselves and do choose to follow them rather than always being abducted and forced to do it.
Imagine a free , independent, adult thinker with no religious backgroud or pre-conceptions, going into a large library. They spend some time browsing the thousands of books but, eventually, one of the books they borrow is called "the Bible". They take it home, read it and after thinking about it for themselves, decide it's true.
Organised religion knows that it can't survive simply by putting their book in the library. It relies on all sorts of complex tactics (and not so complex) to keep their fairy stories alive.
Excellent point.
You don't have people knocking on your door or standing on street corners desperately trying to convince you to believe in the Big Bang theory do you?
And why do all religions get you to cough up money? What's that got to do with believing in God and going to heaven?
And once we have invested in anything, it makes it harder to come out . At least with a comany, you can sell the shares but try asking any religion for your money back, People dont want to admit that their cash investment, time investment and emotional investment has been a waste so they stay with it and dont ask themselves the hard questions.
Tiny Tim: a coward and a hypocrite to the end.
Surely you mean completely irrelevant.
Didn't even have the bottle to stand up for his offensive beliefs.
And back pedaled when he had nothing left to lose politically. Oh and he did so as a self righteous, whiney little b*tch.
But is happy to tell lies ? I thought telling
Lies was one of the big ten rules for Christians ? So in fact an even bigger sin :-D
For the greater good: so he can get liberal votes to then betray their trust by going against his own voters stand for.
Except for Tim Farron he had no excuse of having to compromise. His voters and his party had a specific opinion on this question and he failed to meet their principle. He'd rather please his hypothetical God than defend the happiness, freedom and dignity of real human beings.
I don't see how this can make the thread civil, adding people of the opposite sites is bound to blow up eventually.
It's like saying "MI6 forums - For James Bond fans - and people that wish 007 never existed!" it would be a cesspool :D
The Bond example doesn't really work, because we're already discussing a known fictional character, while only one side here is aware of the fictional nature of the religious articles that these faiths are based off of. ;)
These conversations can still be civil, but if one must be honest sometimes that honesty pricks a little. "Gotta be cruel to be kind," as the saying goes.
I'd add to that that making it a thread for people of different faiths it could easily derail. I'd also add that this whole forum is made for and by James Bond fans, but should someone who hates Bond register and post why Bond sucks, I'd listen to his arguments if he has any and is not trolling.