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I don't follow a religion, but I don't look down on those who do, as all being delusional morons who need to be saved from themselves, either.
IMO That is a very arrogant standpoint to take
I do ignore things that have no relevance to me. I don't make comments on trainspotting or people who misguidedly believe the earth is flat.
But I'm afraid whilst people kill in the name of religion, whilst child abuse is covered up by religion, whilst government policy panders to religion then it does affect all of us and sticking your head in the sand and saying ignore this cancer is an attitude that will come back to haunt you just as ignoring a shadow on your lung would.
Atheists don't categorically say there is no God because there is no way we can prove that. Indeed it would be fantastic if there is one (although not the capricious and vindictive genocidal maniac of the bible) and when we die we do all go and live in heaven with our loved ones.
It's just that the evidence for the existence of God is so deeply flawed that any intelligent person has to reject the current hypotheses as peddled by religion as utter cobblers.
All we ever 'preach' is that people use the same logic and reason they apply to every other sphere of their life to think for themselves.
Good point, but the fact that people have used the mechanism of the Church for their own twisted purposes does not invalidate the truth or otherwise of the underlying doctrine.
Apparently there is always a struggle going on between "good" and "evil" and most of us have been backing the wrong horse whichever way you slice it.
For the sake of discussion, the Old Testament God you mentioned may be quite happy to allow these things to occur, in the same way I sometimes watch ants and half drowned wasps struggle for survival by the side of the swimming pool, but he would still be God.
Indeed. But then why would anyone want to worship such an entity?
Ian Brady used to torture helpless animals that he had power of life and death over. That's the mentality we're dealing with if you believe in a God who creates children only to give them cancer. Very worthy of love and devotion.
If that guy does exist the best people should give him is the cowed respect the playground bully commands.
If you misuse a term then explaining what it means and correcting a misconception is indeed educating, whether I do it or someone else does. And I can be ignorant in various matters (PDF conversion, black holes, nuclear physics, how to make a Black Forest cake) where I can be educated. And that is the same if people here claim that Noah's Ark existed, that take the Gospel as... gospel, etc. I can explain (or others here) how these claims are unfounded at best (and often erroneous). Which is educating people.
And I don't follow you when you say the OT God would still be God... Whether he exists or not, the way he is depicted in the Bible is of a rather unpleasant character.
One word, "Fear" (As in "God-fearing")
Oh, God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe said, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God said, "No" Abe say, "What?"
God say, "Abe, you can do what you want, but
The next time you see me comin', you better run"
Well, Abe said, "Where d'you want this killin' done?"
God said, "Out on Highway 61"
Bob Dylan
Like Kim Jong-Un or The Donald?
Indeed, I guess that's why the emphasis is placed on the New Testament version of God?
(My pet theory, in his "missing years" Jesus experienced Buddhism and adapted many of those ideas to fit his native context...)
I honestly have no idea whether that is a serious post or not.
lol
True dat, the bottom line remains much the same; - if your not on board your in trouble
Alternatively I'll be coming back around as a half drowned wasp...
Mine is that he traveled up north, became a pirate, then finding male company at sea he came back and started a gay cult. Makes sense.
I'm serious in the sense that, as an "amatuer historian", I find it an attractive idea, but not serious in the sense that I believe that's actually how it happened. I haven't seen or heard of any concrete evidence to support it, but I've read some articles where people point out similarities between some Buddhist teachings and those of Jesus, which often appear to be at odds with Old Testament teachings.
Religion in a nutshell
You've lost me a bit there, a good historian should be objective about trying to determine what actually happened. Sometimes ideas suggest themselves, but if they aren't supported by evidence, then they should be flagged as being only theories.
A bad historian is one who is trying to fit history to some predetermined political or sociological or religious agenda, which they want to promote, and asserts their interpretation as being a truth beyond dispute.
Taken at face value, religions are recording the word of God.
Taking a sociological view, they are an attempt to strengthen the framework of a society, by providing an over arching power that the general populace will respect, or at least fear, enough to follow the rules.
I think you're getting him mixed up with Captain Flint from the TV series "Black Sails"
No seriously my point is: not all claim is worthy. A good historian or scientist does not lead the evidence but goes where the evidence leads. If there is evidence of course. And thus not all claims are equally valid. One unsupported by evidence can rejected as such.
'Praise the lord and pass the rattlesnakes': the pastor killed by the viper he preached with"
Can you enter the Darwin Awards if you don't believe in Darwin?
Oh blissful irony. :D
That snake can't speak but it sure can bite. I don't feel sorry for the guy.
And no doubt his moronic followers just put it down as God's will and carried on praying and banging their tambourines?
Where's Colin Firth when you need him?
Also you note it was a pet he'd had for years so probably was reasonably comfortable with him so it took a lot to bite him. If he God's power really was protecting him how about sticking his hand in a nest and pulling a random one out?
I feel that someone could make a point about muslim immigration here.
Just not you.
He's been let down by Jesus.
ok see my original post on this thread for proof Jesus existed but for a refresher course ignoring the new testament in it's entirety and focusing Solely on the works of Josephus and Tacitus we can still learn the following things about Jesus
He was a miracle worker and a teacher
He had 12 disciples
He was beaten and Crucified
He died and rose again on the third day
Many of his followers saw him after he rose from the dead
that is still the main thrux of Christianity from contemporary sources outside the bible your Move Lud.
You all do realize a numerous amount of Doctors and Hospital workers especially in the US are Christian right? in fact a large number of hospitals here were even started by churches case in point my Wife works as a nurse at Saint Raphael's (which was bought out by Yale) but re read the name do you think the hospital just liked the name no it was formed by a religious group.
I hate to sound like Colombo but one more thing Lud you say there is a gap? How long is that Gap exactly? also if your right considering how much of a nusance Christians were to the Roman Empire Why didn't they just parade the body of Jesus if his disciples were mistaken it kills Christianity RIGHT THERE. no fuss no issues.. of course the Romans didn't do that which once again shows there was no body in the tomb.. Look forward to seeing you weasel your way out of that.
And you have false beliefs on Christians. Look any Christian worth their weight in salt would Easily point out how attractive Atheism is. IF you want me to point out why let me give a clear example Christ says if you lust after a woman in your heart you have already commited adultery and considering my one weakness is Women (you can keep you alcohol and drugs give me a Blond in a short skirt or a sexy stripper and I am a happy man) Atheism is EXTREMLY Attractive the idea of my urges being not sin but Evolutionary ticks that have kept man kind going and the idea of Porn being a healthy out for my love of women rather then the churchs view of how degrading it is and again how it is a form of Adultry oh yeah Atheism is beautiful (and I am pouring out my soul and conscious here so any attack on my weakness will not even be meet with anything other then a flag attack my faith fine calle me a lesser husband because I want multiple women not so much)
oh and Wizard and Lud you two had questions about Noah's ark
here is a documentary from the mid 90's starring Dean Stockwell
this should answer a ton of questions you all might have. like I said the worst kept secret of Archaeology.
In my next post I will answer whatever questions you all come up with and give further scientific evidence for NDE...
Also Wizard glad you just took a cursorary look at the board of trustees for IANDS and ignored
the following people
Dr Janice Holden
Dr. Bruce Greyson
Dr Nancy Clark
And
Dr. Diane Corcoran
I'm sure that was just an over sight on your part rather then an attempt to mis represent the group..
Also one more thing you said something about how instead of just Doctors you wanted Nobel Prize winners who are Christian here is a link that should answer your questions
https://www.quora.com/How-many-Nobel-laureates-of-physics-believe-in-God
Speaking strictly in terms of Christians
"According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes). Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards."
but I'm sure you'll move the goal posts again and say all those Nobel Prize winners don't count because pick a reason
And the lesson is, "Do not put the Lord your God to the test."
I'd tend to follow that even as a Christian, if only because it's safer than handling snakes. But then didn't Jesus say something giving the Great Commission about recognising his followers by their invulnerability to poisons and snake bites? However stupid was that pastor, in his stupidity he did follow the Scriptures.
@Risico007 your original post was full of groundless claims. I'd tend to think there was a Jesus who was a cult leader and the basis of the Biblical Jesus character but his existence is not exactly proven and the stories related to him even less. When they are not in contradiction with history. In any case I'm calling you on these sources outside Christianity who said Jesus resurrected, performed miracles, etc. When did Josephus and/or Tacitus said that? What are these contemporary sources you mention? You'd be one heck of a historian to show something others have not found yet. The oldest copies of the Gospels date back at the earliest to late first century (a fragment of the Gospel of Mark according to a quick Google search). Not exactly fresh news. Given the propagandist nature of the scriptures, one should take anything they say with a huge pinch of salt, even if we had a complete manuscript written a week after the alleged events.
Why would the Romans even feel the need to parade the body of Jesus? If he did exist and die on the cross he would have been one of many Jewish cult leaders or wannabe Messiahs opposing their rule or suspected to oppose them that had been put to death. They might not even have known his name or much details about him. Indeed we still don't have much if any details: all we have are claims from believers.
There are Christian doctors and nurses... as well as Muslim ones and Jewish ones and Buddhist ones and what have you. The inventor of medicine believed in the God Appolo. It's not their faith that makes them doctors and nurses it's their knowledge and skills in their discipline.
And you have absolutely no idea about atheism. I didn't become an atheist because I found the option attractive or wished to sin but because there is no reason to believe in God. Even if this God was Aphrodite and having sex with many partners was not only allowed but compulsory. Atheism is not in itself a moral stance. Now my humanism made me reject religious notions of sin, particularly lust as I find it a normal, healthy and necessary human impulse. But if there was a God that would reveal himself to me and tell me lust is sinful and worthy of punishment simply for feeling it I'd tell him he's a disgusting puritan and want nothing to do with him.
Your still ignoring the main issues
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY&t=313s&v=rml5Cif01g4
First a 9 part series on the reliability of the New Testament
Second you do realize if Roman paraded Christ’s body through the streets there would be no Christianity which was causing the Roman’s issues in the first place sorry but the fundamental issue of the tomb is there