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Something that the Bible expressly warns against doing, of course.
They cannot all be right. But they can all be wrong.
Something Christians did themselves with the OT. And I don't think there's even a consensus among Christians about what's canonical and what's not.
Or rather what the NT did with the OT. I take it you are referring to the Apocrytha here?
I didn't know they had fan fiction back then, or really fiction either for that matter.
No disrespect but that's a bit of a cop out, surely. You've read the OT. When does it say in Genesis that sinners go to Hell and that they'll need Jesus to free humanity from the Original Sin? When is it even implied?
I just meant I'm not sure what that means. Perhaps you could clarify the Star Wars point? The coming of Christ was predicted in the book of Isaiah and in other places in the OT. That's well known enough.
Exactly, @Ludovico. The bible has all the marks of a text written by the unenlightened trying to understand the world around them, with an ignorance of space, geology, biology and all the rest. And the now outdated social norms expressed are just as obvious, including the convenience of Eve being the one that really gets the whipping for the Eden incident and laying the foundation for women being subservient to men afterward. It was so clearly a book written by men for men, etc.
I also love the fan fiction comparison, very true! Even if we take the NT as it is, the Jesus story has endless shared tropes or clichés that can be found in god myths and parables pre-dating the bible. I'll have to find that video I mentioned once where a historian went through Jesus' story to score how many times the narrative correlated to the storytelling tradition of countless other mythic savoir/hero types (virgin birth, ties to a god like being giving them purpose, possessive of powers/abilities for amazing feats, a grand and selfless sacrifice before a heroic death, etc).
Line of the day!! Lovely stuff!
As a believer you really ought to try it. It has a belief system just as valid as the bible.
It's disgusting how people who claim they are Jedis are treated as just cranks and don't get the same rights as other religions simply because they believe in a fiction that is only 41 years old rather than 2000. How can society decide one person's beliefs in a book that has no demonstrable evidence backing up any of its claims are any more or less valid than another person's beliefs in some films that have no demonstrable evidence backing up any of it's claims?
Can anyone prove it didn't happen?
You can't handle the truth.
Well others seem to understand. What makes you think Jesus is the Messiah prophecized? How does he fit in, if at all, with the OT? Like I said, notions of afterlife and eternal damnation are pretty much foreign to Judaism. How are the Original Sin and Fall of Man ever calling for a Messiah?
We're still waiting on some 'evidence' you promised about 2 months back aren't we?
It's there for all to see. Take your blinkers off.
We're a bit thick here. Can you point us in the general direction at all?
That officer who gets choked by Darth Vader in ANH. He is skeptical about Vader's claims, Vader proves with evidence that the Force is very real.
Sadly it seems to have been lost in that forum glitch of 30 January.
Ah yes. That was a good scene.
So you finally admit you've got no actual evidence then?
Oh come on! Surely you can mention something more than a very vague statement. "Evidence is everywhere if you want to see them." Well, the Loch Ness monster is easily visible for those who believe in it, but that doesn't get anyone any closer to proving its existence.
And I ask again where and how does Jesus fit in the Old Testament?
And some debunking from a Jewish rabbi that should give you an idea of what I mean by the midichlorians analogy:
I mentioned this a few pages back and I'd still like one of the religious members here to weigh in. Do the Christian members on here (not sure we have any muslims anymore) see the rest as false Gods, or do you all think it's different takes on the same one?
I couldn't even tell you how many gods are out there, I really couldn't, representing so many cultures. But the Christians seem to think that they've got the one guy out of all of them that is the real deal, and all the others must be fake or made up. All those gods are sure fire lies, all of them but their guy of course. I'm not a math whiz, but care to crunch the numbers on the probability of that? As @Ludovico curtly said, not all of them can be right, but all of them can be wrong. And I think it's very much the latter. Like all the other gods, God (and how odd to name him after the classic of deity he is, no?) is a very human creation that gives people fake answers to real questions of life, death and the purpose of it all. It's not easy to admit there's no greater meaning other than the purpose and legacy we make in our short time here on our own, so of course we have to be created by a god who has a very unique purpose for each of us. Death is frightening and hard to think about, so it's far easy to rest your mind and think that you're going to a cloud paradise to see all the people you've lost. Comforting thoughts for some, unhelpful lies or delusions for me.
But for how much the bible features godly actions and miracles, it's about as ordinary and human a text as you could find. All the existential worries and lies we tell each other to get through life are the very foundations of that book. An obvious attempt by our ancient species to understand the cosmos and the stars, life and death, and what it's all for with the little knowledge open to the people of the time. But we're in the 21st century now, scientists have exploded the bible's timeline, destroyed the concept of a 6,000 year old earth thanks to locations like the Grand Canyon where we can see millions of years of development in the rock erosion, the mistakes and misperceptions of those writing the bible have long been deemed the theories of an unenlightened people who couldn't understand the scope of life on earth and so much more. It's an outdated and ancient text of outdated and ancient beliefs and ideas and it's time to move on to better, more developed and factually proven ones for the good of the species.
But the fact 1) and 2) do not apply in our society makes the point moot?
And I would suggest that fundamental Christians, like anyone in society can oppose anything they like (I oppose a lot of things as is my right, but I don't always get my way). But, if they don't get their way it tells me that they have less sway over law and society than you may think.
So, isn't that a good thing?