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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    This was the real reason @TheWizardOfIce lost his faith:

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    patb wrote: »

    €500 a pop and there's 500,000 suckers in Italy alone waiting to be milked of their money! That's €250 million just in one (albeit highly Christian) country to be had. How does one train as an exorcist? This is money for old rope.

    This link from the article piqued my interest briefly:
    https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/research/2017/07/03/christianity-and-mental-health-theology-activities-potential

    'Oh', thinks the naive Wizard, 'Finally someone addressing whether being religious should be classed as a mental illness in itself.'

    But nah it's just asking what can Christians do to help those with mental illness. I don't think I need to plough through the whole report to arrive at the inevitable conclusion of 'thoughts and prayers'.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    How racist.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    How racist.
    Not at all. I'm happy to relieve insane Spaniards, Irish and South Americans of €500 too not just Italians.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Dan-Walker-sets-the-record-straight-on-Creationism-and-his-faith

    This clown fronting Match Of The Day tonight. Why do I mention it? Well the guy claims he 'won't work on Sundays' yet the programme schedule says the programme duration is 22.30 until 00.00, but as always it started one or two minutes late.

    So Mr Religious Principles not averse to working on a Sunday (Easter Sunday to boot!) when it comes to going for a little ride on the Beeb gravy train while Lineker's away it seems.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Sunday doesn t start simultaneously all over the globe, either. So frustrating!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Dan-Walker-sets-the-record-straight-on-Creationism-and-his-faith

    This clown fronting Match Of The Day tonight. Why do I mention it? Well the guy claims he 'won't work on Sundays' yet the programme schedule says the programme duration is 22.30 until 00.00, but as always it started one or two minutes late.

    So Mr Religious Principles not averse to working on a Sunday (Easter Sunday to boot!) when it comes to going for a little ride on the Beeb gravy train while Lineker's away it seems.
    Yep still on air gone midnight Easter Sunday.

    This is what I don't get about the religious - if you really believe in all this rubbish then wouldn't you say to the Beeb 'Sorry but there's no way I'm going to risk my eternal soul by breaking one of the 10 commandments and working on the sabbath (on Easter Sunday of all days) even if it is just for one minute. Call Gabby or Inverdale.'

    Say what you like about ISIS but at least they are prepared to follow their beliefs to the hilt.
  • edited March 2018 Posts: 15,125
    https://www.premier.org.uk/News/UK/Dan-Walker-sets-the-record-straight-on-Creationism-and-his-faith

    This clown fronting Match Of The Day tonight. Why do I mention it? Well the guy claims he 'won't work on Sundays' yet the programme schedule says the programme duration is 22.30 until 00.00, but as always it started one or two minutes late.

    So Mr Religious Principles not averse to working on a Sunday (Easter Sunday to boot!) when it comes to going for a little ride on the Beeb gravy train while Lineker's away it seems.

    The BBC is downright obsequious regarding anything to do with the Monarchy or God. Their lack of criticism is shameful.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    A couple of questions regarding the afterlife I have always pondered...

    If only humans go to heaven, how far back? Homo erectus? Cro magnon?

    Which 'you' goes to heaven? Midlife crisis you? Senile with dementia you?

    Do amputees go to heaven still amputated or do they get their limbs back once they're through the gates?

    Do aborted babies go to heaven and if not when is the cut off point when they're considered actual living humans?
  • Posts: 15,125
    A couple of questions regarding the afterlife I have always pondered...

    If only humans go to heaven, how far back? Homo erectus? Cro magnon?

    Which 'you' goes to heaven? Midlife crisis you? Senile with dementia you?

    Do amputees go to heaven still amputated or do they get their limbs back once they're through the gates?

    Do aborted babies go to heaven and if not when is the cut off point when they're considered actual living humans?

    That's the issue with souls: their existence is contradicted with everything we know about human biology.

    Regarding aborted babies if they go to heaven wouldn't that mean we should abort them all for the greater good?
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    A couple of questions regarding the afterlife I have always pondered...

    If only humans go to heaven, how far back? Homo erectus? Cro magnon?

    Which 'you' goes to heaven? Midlife crisis you? Senile with dementia you?

    Do amputees go to heaven still amputated or do they get their limbs back once they're through the gates?

    Do aborted babies go to heaven and if not when is the cut off point when they're considered actual living humans?

    That's the issue with souls: their existence is contradicted with everything we know about human biology.

    Regarding aborted babies if they go to heaven wouldn't that mean we should abort them all for the greater good?

    When you write questions like this out the absurdities of belief in Deities really do shine through. Utter madness!
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    RE aborted babies:
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    RE aborted babies:

    Yes I was thinking about that one.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    RE aborted babies:

    Yes I was thinking about that one.

    Ouch indeed!
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    http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/content/overview-sh

    Current quantum theory suggest the soul is quite real.... but I am sure that science teacher guy on here knew that right?
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/content/overview-sh

    Current quantum theory suggest the soul is quite real.... but I am sure that science teacher guy on here knew that right?

    That man has a pointy white beard he must be right! That's not pseudoscience at all!
  • edited April 2018 Posts: 9,848
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/content/overview-sh

    Current quantum theory suggest the soul is quite real.... but I am sure that science teacher guy on here knew that right?

    That man has a pointy white beard he must be right! That's not pseudoscience at all!

    Yes quantum theory is now pseudoscience better let all this people in the Bern institute in Switzerland they are not doing science stuff shall you tell them or I?
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/content/overview-sh

    Current quantum theory suggest the soul is quite real.... but I am sure that science teacher guy on here knew that right?

    That man has a pointy white beard he must be right! That's not pseudoscience at all!

    Yes quantum theory is now pseudoscience better let all this people in the Bern institute in Switzerland they are not doing science stuff shall you tell them or I?

    How do you get from Quantum theory to soul? Claiming one proves the other IS pseudoscience. It is like saying vaccination proves homeopathy to be true.

    But maybe you'd care to explain to us first what is Quantum theory THEN how it is relevant to soul searching. I hope you're better at physics than you have been at history! Being a layman myself regarding Quantum physics I'll ask @DarthDimi for a crash course.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Ask the teacher?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    There are plenty of laymen in this thread who cling to the last hope of science.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited April 2018 Posts: 9,117
    Do aborted babies go to heaven and if not when is the cut off point when they're considered actual living humans?
    I can answer that one for you: they burn in hell for all eternity because not having had the chance to be baptised they are tainted by original sin.

    What a loving and forgiving God he is when you are already a sinner without even having had the chance to poke your head outside your mother's vagina and take one single lungful of air.
    RE aborted babies:
    I think I'm in love.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/content/overview-sh

    Current quantum theory suggest the soul is quite real.... but I am sure that science teacher guy on here knew that right?
    I don't see where that guy mentions a soul? He's talking about consciousness and how is that the same?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Yes quantum theory is now pseudoscience better let all this people in the Bern institute in Switzerland they are not doing science stuff shall you tell them or I?
    http://theberne.com ???

    Not sure what these people have to do with anything (and they're based in England) although given they are specialists in psychotherapy one suspects a Freudian slip on your part.

    Far be it from me to suggest that a guy who claims to know physics better than someone here who teaches it for living would mix up the Berne Institute in Kegworth with CERN near Geneva?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I love this thread. Good stuff to take to class.

    As for quantum theory and the soul... Oh dear, oh dear.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Reading these hateful comments towards Islam is extremely troubling and upsetting. To me it's the most rightful and sensible of all mainstream religions.

    I'm not ashamed to say that I myself have started to undergo the conversion process as I have recently gotten engaged to a Muslim woman.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Reading these hateful comments towards Islam is extremely troubling and upsetting. To me it's the most rightful and sensible of all mainstream religions.

    I'm not ashamed to say that I myself have started to undergo the conversion process as I have recently gotten engaged to a Muslim woman.

    Come on! Hateful is a word that best describes islam itself.

    If you re going to impose sharia here because you have the hots for a broad whose family are insane, maybe give the mod job to someone else. Otherwise close the whole thread. Islam isn t exempt from criticism here.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    No one is "imposing" sharia law on anyone, and don't you dare call my fiance a "broad". I'm merely defending what I think is a perfectly sensible way of life. Religion as a whole can and shiuld be questioned, but to criticize something you know nothing about is conpletely ignorant and ludicrous.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Ignorant and ludicrous better describes the followers of said religion, especially if they, like me, have read the scriptures. I bet you haven t yet.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Reading these hateful comments towards Islam is extremely troubling and upsetting. To me it's the most rightful and sensible of all mainstream religions.

    I'm not ashamed to say that I myself have started to undergo the conversion process as I have recently gotten engaged to a Muslim woman.

    Come on! Hateful is a word that best describes islam itself.

    If you re going to impose sharia here because you have the hots for a broad whose family are insane, maybe give the mod job to someone else. Otherwise close the whole thread. Islam isn t exempt from criticism here.
    Quite.

    If you want to us to say 'Allah Akbhar and good luck with the conversion' just so it doesn't offend your missus' sensibilities I fear you've come to the wrong place.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Ignorant and ludicrous better describes the followers of said religion, especially if they, like me, have read the scriptures. I bet you haven t yet.
    I've been studying it in depth for over 3 years and have been inspired by every single word.
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