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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Ludovico wrote: »

    But when you're down to threats of hell you have no argument.

    The poor guy hasn't had one for some time and seems to be spiraling into an ever more entertaining vortex of incoherence.
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    Ludovico wrote: »

    But when you're down to threats of hell you have no argument.

    The poor guy hasn't had one for some time and seems to be spiraling into an ever more entertaining vortex of incoherence.

    If I was God I'd lose faith in people believing in me. What a failure they are.
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    Of course I could also point out I could blow my brains out live on this thread and all it would get would be a round of applause from the atheist bully society
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Of course I could also point out I could blow my brains out live on this thread and all it would get would be a round of applause from the atheist bully society

    We are not bullying you: we are replying to your "arguments". So far you've given us no reason to believe there's a God and given the picture of a deity unworthy of respect let alone worship.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Of course I could also point out I could blow my brains out live on this thread and all it would get would be a round of applause from the atheist bully society
    I’m not sure you’re that good a shot son.
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Of course I could also point out I could blow my brains out live on this thread and all it would get would be a round of applause from the atheist bully society
    I’m not sure you’re that good a shot son.
    Given the quality of his arguments, I'm not sure it would be lethal.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I hear that cartoonist is now in deep cover.
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    @Dragonpol are you being serious or are you again making fun of Islam?

    Still waiting to hear the intrinsic distinction between reasonable Christian beliefs and those crazy out there ridiculous Islamic ones...
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    @Dragonpol are you being serious or are you again making fun of Islam?

    Still waiting to hear the intrinsic distinction between reasonable Christian beliefs and those crazy out there ridiculous Islamic ones...

    Cue Draggers scuttling hastily for cover....
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    @Dragonpol are you being serious or are you again making fun of Islam?

    Still waiting to hear the intrinsic distinction between reasonable Christian beliefs and those crazy out there ridiculous Islamic ones...

    Cue Draggers scuttling hastily for cover....

    Or coming to knife you or run you over,.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    @Dragonpol are you being serious or are you again making fun of Islam?

    Still waiting to hear the intrinsic distinction between reasonable Christian beliefs and those crazy out there ridiculous Islamic ones...

    I'm not making fun at all, but being deadly serious. It's a brave cartoonist who mocks Islam after the Danish Muhammad cartoons of some years ago. Perhaps you've forgotten about that? It would seem so.

    Christians don't tend to behead people for free speech.

    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    @Dragonpol are you being serious or are you again making fun of Islam?

    Still waiting to hear the intrinsic distinction between reasonable Christian beliefs and those crazy out there ridiculous Islamic ones...

    Cue Draggers scuttling hastily for cover....

    Or coming to knife you or run you over,.

    Well I am a Dragonpol.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    @Dragonpol are you being serious or are you again making fun of Islam?

    Still waiting to hear the intrinsic distinction between reasonable Christian beliefs and those crazy out there ridiculous Islamic ones...

    Cue Draggers scuttling hastily for cover....

    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    @Dragonpol are you being serious or are you again making fun of Islam?

    Still waiting to hear the intrinsic distinction between reasonable Christian beliefs and those crazy out there ridiculous Islamic ones...

    I'm not making fun at all, but being deadly serious. It's a brave cartoonist who mocks Islam after the Danish Muhammad cartoons of some years ago. Perhaps you've forgotten about that? It would seem so.

    Christians don't tend to behead people for free speech.

    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.

    I very much remember the Danish cartoon controversy and find the cartoonists admirable. Even more so those who were murdered at Charlie Hebdo. I agree that Islam is now a nastier religion but that doesn't make my question less relevant and your refusal to address it quite staggering: you laugh at Islam but not as Christianity. Why is the former laughable but the latter reasonable?

    And don't give me that "Islam is more violent" cop out. Islam is now the most violent, most openly nihilistic religion. We seem to be all in agreement here. That doesn't give Christianity a free pass for the wrongs it did and does but more importantly it's irrelevant to their respective claims to truth. My question has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with your criteria of validating a claim. Or rejecting it.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.
    You state I am running away from the 'Truth'. Could I simply ask you to tell me what that 'Truth' is so that I may embrace it rather than run away?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited May 2018 Posts: 18,281
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.
    You state I am running away from the 'Truth'. Could I simply ask you to tell me what that 'Truth' is so that I may embrace it rather than run away?

    It's contained in a book called the Bible. Seek it out for more details. Or, if you're short on time, Google it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.

    Absolutely NOT: how do you assess a claim as true or false? That's not semantics that's critical thinking.

    Come on no more dodging: why are 72 virgins waiting every martyr a stupid claim, but the resurrection of Jesus legit? A is false, B is true. How do you come to this conclusion?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.

    Not really.

    Either talking snakes exist or they don't.

    Babies either get cancer because nature is random, harsh and indiscriminate or there's an infanticidal psycho sat on a cloud causing them to have it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited May 2018 Posts: 18,281
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.

    Not really.

    Either talking snakes exist or they don't.

    Babies either get cancer because nature is random, harsh and indiscriminate or there's an infanticidal psycho sat on a cloud causing them to have it.

    Get some new arguments. The record's broken.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.

    Not really.

    Either talking snakes exist or they don't.

    Babies either get cancer because nature is random, harsh and indiscriminate or there's an infanticidal psycho sat on a cloud causing them to have it.

    Get some new arguments. The record's broken.

    How about answering my question:

    Come on no more dodging: why are 72 virgins waiting every martyr a stupid claim, but the resurrection of Jesus legit? A is false, B is true. How do you come to this conclusion?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.

    Not really.

    Either talking snakes exist or they don't.

    Babies either get cancer because nature is random, harsh and indiscriminate or there's an infanticidal psycho sat on a cloud causing them to have it.

    Get some new arguments. The record's broken.
    That's because you keep dodging the argument by refusing to answer so we are forced to repeat ourselves.

    @Ludovico has asked the same question on this page alone and yet you still refuse to answer. Here it is again:

    Come on no more dodging: why are 72 virgins waiting every martyr a stupid claim, but the resurrection of Jesus legit? A is false, B is true. How do you come to this conclusion?


    This is beginning to turn into the infamous Paxman v Michael Howard interview which I'm sure you have seen and which Howard looked an absolute fool. And *spoiler alert* but in this exchange Paxman you certainly ain't.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited May 2018 Posts: 18,281
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.

    Not really.

    Either talking snakes exist or they don't.

    Babies either get cancer because nature is random, harsh and indiscriminate or there's an infanticidal psycho sat on a cloud causing them to have it.

    Get some new arguments. The record's broken.

    How about answering my question:

    Come on no more dodging: why are 72 virgins waiting every martyr a stupid claim, but the resurrection of Jesus legit? A is false, B is true. How do you come to this conclusion?

    Because I'm terminally stupid and no doubt mentally ill, according to the Wizard. That's no doubt true as well. Sadly where I live one can't be sectioned at all and therefore not for holding views many now see as irrational. Happy now?
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.

    Not really.

    Either talking snakes exist or they don't.

    Babies either get cancer because nature is random, harsh and indiscriminate or there's an infanticidal psycho sat on a cloud causing them to have it.

    Get some new arguments. The record's broken.

    How about answering my question:

    Come on no more dodging: why are 72 virgins waiting every martyr a stupid claim, but the resurrection of Jesus legit? A is false, B is true. How do you come to this conclusion?

    Because I'm terminally stupid and no doubt mentally ill, according to the Wizard. That's no doubt true as well. Sadly where I live one can't be sectioned at all and therefore not for holding views many now see as irrational. Happy now?

    I am not sure if you are trying to play martyr or are only trying to be sarcastic, but you are still dodging the question.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Not everything in life is a joke. Calm down.
    True. Just religion.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ironic, as you're the one running away from the Truth.

    Are we to assume that the reason you've capitalised the word 'Truth' is that you are alluding to the word of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Oh dear.

    I won't waste my time replying to that with anything meaningful as it doesn't warrant it.

    You are talking about truth. How do you assess it?

    Oh dear. We're back to the semantics class again. How tiresome.

    Not really.

    Either talking snakes exist or they don't.

    Babies either get cancer because nature is random, harsh and indiscriminate or there's an infanticidal psycho sat on a cloud causing them to have it.

    Get some new arguments. The record's broken.

    How about answering my question:

    Come on no more dodging: why are 72 virgins waiting every martyr a stupid claim, but the resurrection of Jesus legit? A is false, B is true. How do you come to this conclusion?

    Because I'm terminally stupid and no doubt mentally ill, according to the Wizard. That's no doubt true as well. Sadly where I live one can't be sectioned at all and therefore not for holding views many now see as irrational. Happy now?

    I am not sure if you are trying to play martyr or are only trying to be sarcastic, but you are still dodging the question.

    Christ was the original martyr so I don't have to play at it. I don't claim to have all the answers either. Call it what you want.
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    I'm not asking for something very difficult. In fact it's a very easy, simple question. You think the claim of 72 virgins waiting for not only false, but ridiculous. So much son that you laugh at it. So you must be pretty sure of yourself on it. But for Jesus's resurrection you consider it true and at the core of your life. You must have given this serious thought to establish that one claim is stupid and the other valid. It's not all the answers but it's one answer you must have given its importance. Why one is ridiculous and one true?

    I can give you my answer: l dismiss both claims as they are not supported by evidence. Until someone brings conclusive evidence of either claim I don't think either are true. Same method, same conclusion.
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