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    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right

    No what's barbaric is that people actually want to deny women something that should be a basic human right. They might have ended up in that situation through no fault of their own (would you deny a rape victim the chance to get rid of it?) or even if it is just a case of a couple chancing it and it backfiring, maybe they're just not ready and wouldn't be able to give a kid the life they deserve. Giving into our natural urges is unavoidable and unplanned pregnancies happen. Since science has progressed to the point where we can do something about it, it should be an option for those that want/need it. The baby is nothing at that point. It isn't alive. Hence the cutoff point of however many weeks it is. It's preventing a life from starting, not taking it away.

    If we follow your logic why draw the line there? Isn't protected sex or having a wank killing innocents? It's all potential life isn't it?

    I think I've been kinder to religion than most on this thread but I think this is one of those things where you just need to accept that we're in a much different, more civilised, progressive and advanced world than the one your faith came from. You've got no right to try and shame women out of life choices because of what a book from thousands of years ago says.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited May 2018 Posts: 9,117
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?
    Why indeed. Just because I enjoy, to quote Jay from the Inbetweeners, ‘sun, sea, sand, sex, tits, booze, sun, sea and tits’ and would be somewhat irked to die doesn’t mean there is any reason for my existence. If I had not existed what would have changed? Bugger all except I wouldn’t have eviscerated the Lorius Karius of intellectual discourse on here.

    There is no point in existing if you don’t believe that you are an integral part of God’s plan and will go and live with him in heaven for eternity. Certainly a new low even by your limbo dancer levels of logic.

    By the same token if your life only has meaning because of your devotion to God and the promise of eternal life why don’t you hang yourself tomorrow and go and join the Lord in heaven?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
    The church will desperately try to block a woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body but vigoursously defend paedo priests.

    As long as you just bugger them in the vestry rather than kill them it’s all good is it old son?Good to see the church’s position on how to treat the innocent being clarified by our resident theologian.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited May 2018 Posts: 18,348
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    As you'll be in the illustrious company of the Sinn Féin leadership (who just yesterday were holding the placard "THE NORTH IS NEXT"), how could the pro-Abortion side lose?

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fin-calling-for-referendum-on-united-ireland-following-abortion-vote-36951126.html

    And I've no plans to go elsewhere. This is my home and it will remain so while I live. To be honest, I no longer care too much about such controversial issues. It's really none of my business how other people wish to live their lives. People will do what they do regardless.

    Of course, yet again, you try to paint me as something I am not as it more easily fits your stereotypical take on a Northern Ireland citizen.

  • Posts: 9,860
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?
    Why indeed. Just because I enjoy, to quote Jay from the Inbetweeners, ‘sun, sea, sand, sex, tits, booze, sun, sea and tits’ and would be somewhat irked to die doesn’t mean there is any reason for my existence. If I had not existed what would have changed? Bugger all except I wouldn’t have eviscerated the Lorius Karius of intellectual discourse on here.

    There is no point in existing if you don’t believe that you are an integral part of God’s plan and will go and live with him in heaven for eternity. Certainly a new low even by your limbo dancer levels of logic.

    By the same token if your life only has meaning because of your devotion to God and the promise of eternal life why don’t you hang yourself tomorrow and go and join the Lord in heaven?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
    The church will desperately try to block a woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body but vigoursously defend paedo priests.

    As long as you just bugger them in the vestry rather than kill them it’s all good is it old son?Good to see the church’s position on how to treat the innocent being clarified by our resident theologian.

    You know what murder should be legal too because why not ...

    Women having the right to be judge jury and executioner is perfect

    Again the murder of every life should be allowed because screw future poets doctors politicians peace makers screw their chance for a life women should decide if a person can live or not
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @NicNac, fair enough. If you put it like that, I will state that I'm 100 % certain. :)
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?

    @Risico007
    The Wiz is living his life to the fullest. He knows that when he's dead, it's over. Why waste time worrying about an afterlife that one shall never have?

    He doesn t know that, nor do you.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 12,837
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?
    Why indeed. Just because I enjoy, to quote Jay from the Inbetweeners, ‘sun, sea, sand, sex, tits, booze, sun, sea and tits’ and would be somewhat irked to die doesn’t mean there is any reason for my existence. If I had not existed what would have changed? Bugger all except I wouldn’t have eviscerated the Lorius Karius of intellectual discourse on here.

    There is no point in existing if you don’t believe that you are an integral part of God’s plan and will go and live with him in heaven for eternity. Certainly a new low even by your limbo dancer levels of logic.

    By the same token if your life only has meaning because of your devotion to God and the promise of eternal life why don’t you hang yourself tomorrow and go and join the Lord in heaven?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
    The church will desperately try to block a woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body but vigoursously defend paedo priests.

    As long as you just bugger them in the vestry rather than kill them it’s all good is it old son?Good to see the church’s position on how to treat the innocent being clarified by our resident theologian.

    You know what murder should be legal too because why not ...

    Women having the right to be judge jury and executioner is perfect

    Again the murder of every life should be allowed because screw future poets doctors politicians peace makers screw their chance for a life women should decide if a person can live or not

    It isn't a person yet. Why is that so hard to understand. If we follow your logic then every time any of us have protected sex or wank we're all playing "judge jury and executioner" (and if you somehow manage to abstain from those until you're old and responsible enough to be a dad, you'll have ended up murdering a good few kiddies in your sleep by then).
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited May 2018 Posts: 18,348
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?
    Why indeed. Just because I enjoy, to quote Jay from the Inbetweeners, ‘sun, sea, sand, sex, tits, booze, sun, sea and tits’ and would be somewhat irked to die doesn’t mean there is any reason for my existence. If I had not existed what would have changed? Bugger all except I wouldn’t have eviscerated the Lorius Karius of intellectual discourse on here.

    There is no point in existing if you don’t believe that you are an integral part of God’s plan and will go and live with him in heaven for eternity. Certainly a new low even by your limbo dancer levels of logic.

    By the same token if your life only has meaning because of your devotion to God and the promise of eternal life why don’t you hang yourself tomorrow and go and join the Lord in heaven?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
    The church will desperately try to block a woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body but vigoursously defend paedo priests.

    As long as you just bugger them in the vestry rather than kill them it’s all good is it old son?Good to see the church’s position on how to treat the innocent being clarified by our resident theologian.

    You know what murder should be legal too because why not ...

    Women having the right to be judge jury and executioner is perfect

    Again the murder of every life should be allowed because screw future poets doctors politicians peace makers screw their chance for a life women should decide if a person can live or not

    It isn't a person yet. Why is that so hard to understand. If we follow your logic then every time any of us have protected sex or wank we're all playing "judge jury and executioner" (and if you somehow manage to abstain from those until you're old and responsible enough to be a dad, you'll have ended up murdering a good few kiddies in your sleep by then).

    Regardless of what one thinks about abortion, you're very clearly equating things that are not the same at all. It's a nonsense to say that actually. It's the false equivalence at work again.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 12,837
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?
    Why indeed. Just because I enjoy, to quote Jay from the Inbetweeners, ‘sun, sea, sand, sex, tits, booze, sun, sea and tits’ and would be somewhat irked to die doesn’t mean there is any reason for my existence. If I had not existed what would have changed? Bugger all except I wouldn’t have eviscerated the Lorius Karius of intellectual discourse on here.

    There is no point in existing if you don’t believe that you are an integral part of God’s plan and will go and live with him in heaven for eternity. Certainly a new low even by your limbo dancer levels of logic.

    By the same token if your life only has meaning because of your devotion to God and the promise of eternal life why don’t you hang yourself tomorrow and go and join the Lord in heaven?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
    The church will desperately try to block a woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body but vigoursously defend paedo priests.

    As long as you just bugger them in the vestry rather than kill them it’s all good is it old son?Good to see the church’s position on how to treat the innocent being clarified by our resident theologian.

    You know what murder should be legal too because why not ...

    Women having the right to be judge jury and executioner is perfect

    Again the murder of every life should be allowed because screw future poets doctors politicians peace makers screw their chance for a life women should decide if a person can live or not

    It isn't a person yet. Why is that so hard to understand. If we follow your logic then every time any of us have protected sex or wank we're all playing "judge jury and executioner" (and if you somehow manage to abstain from those until you're old and responsible enough to be a dad, you'll have ended up murdering a good few kiddies in your sleep by then).

    Regardless of what one thinks about abortion, you're very clearly equating things that are not the same at all. It's a nonsense to say that actually.

    It's an exaggeration sure but you get my point. There's potential for life in sperm just as there's potential for life in the feoutus, but it isn't fully formed is it, it isn't conscious. I know there's been a lot of debate about whether the cut off point should be lowered, but I think denying women that right entirely is really messed up.

    Unplanned pregnancies are always going to happen. Even contraception can fail. It's not the woman's fault, and that's especially true if the sex wasn't consenual (something @Risico007 happily ignored when he was labelling the all the women who've been there as barbaric murderers). If they're not ready and don't think they'd be able to give baby the life it deserves then I think they deserve the right to terminate it before it's too late.

    There's adoption sure and that's an equally valid option. But if a woman would rather not go through the physical and mental strain of carrying and delivering a baby she doesn't even want, I can understand that as well.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited May 2018 Posts: 5,080
    I'm sorry @Ris, but painting women who have been consigned to the most awful and desperate situations through no fault of their own as murderers is perhaps one of the most disgusting things I've read on this forum. Sorry to be all melodramatic about it, but good grief.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 12,837
    I'm sorry @Ris, but painting women who have been consigned to the most awful and desperate situations through no fault of their own as murderers is perhaps one of the most disgusting things I've read on this forum. Sorry to be all melodramatic about it, but good grief.

    I agree, and the sad part is it would be less of a crap situation if there weren't such a stigma around it. I think with stuff like this though we will get there eventually. Great news from Ireland the other day.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited May 2018 Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Of course, yet again, you try to paint me as something I am not as it more easily fits your stereotypical take on a Northern Ireland citizen believer in God.
    Fixed.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?
    Why indeed. Just because I enjoy, to quote Jay from the Inbetweeners, ‘sun, sea, sand, sex, tits, booze, sun, sea and tits’ and would be somewhat irked to die doesn’t mean there is any reason for my existence. If I had not existed what would have changed? Bugger all except I wouldn’t have eviscerated the Lorius Karius of intellectual discourse on here.

    There is no point in existing if you don’t believe that you are an integral part of God’s plan and will go and live with him in heaven for eternity. Certainly a new low even by your limbo dancer levels of logic.

    By the same token if your life only has meaning because of your devotion to God and the promise of eternal life why don’t you hang yourself tomorrow and go and join the Lord in heaven?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
    The church will desperately try to block a woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body but vigoursously defend paedo priests.

    As long as you just bugger them in the vestry rather than kill them it’s all good is it old son?Good to see the church’s position on how to treat the innocent being clarified by our resident theologian.

    You know what murder should be legal too because why not ...

    Women having the right to be judge jury and executioner is perfect

    Again the murder of every life should be allowed because screw future poets doctors politicians peace makers screw their chance for a life women should decide if a person can live or not

    It isn't a person yet. Why is that so hard to understand. If we follow your logic then every time any of us have protected sex or wank we're all playing "judge jury and executioner" (and if you somehow manage to abstain from those until you're old and responsible enough to be a dad, you'll have ended up murdering a good few kiddies in your sleep by then).
    Post of the day. Although made me feel a bit guilty. In my time I guess I'm the Pol Pot of mass spermicide.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Again the murder of every life should be allowed because screw future poets doctors politicians peace makers screw their chance for a life women should decide if a person can live or not
    Obviously using your 'logic' (although I'm getting more and more concerned about the trades descriptions act knocking on my door when using that word to describe your increasingly fatuous posts) all aborted foetuses would of course have grown up to be Nobel prize winners. One notes you don't mention all the serial killers, paedos, dole scroungers and genocidal dictators.

    Also where does a tapeworm fit on your scale? Is a woman allowed to be 'judge, jury and executioner' over that? It is one of God's creatures after all so what right does she have to kill it? What about a cancerous tumour? That is just a collection of living cells and is just as sentient as a freshly fertilised egg and presumably God in his eternal wisdom caused it to grow 'for a reason'. Is the woman allowed to have that cut out or not? Or is she better off praying?

    Would John Hurt be allowed to abort the alien before it bursts out of his chest I wonder?No doubt, because he's a man, he would as we all know the real reason the religious lose their shit over this is not because of caring about the sanctity of life (they are all more than happy to slaughter fully grown adults by the bucketload after all) but because women being in charge of their own lives terrifies them for some reason.

    Come to think of it I've committed some of my worst crimes against humanity killing innocent little sperms when the woman has taken charge!
    I'm sorry @Ris, but painting women who have been consigned to the most awful and desperate situations through no fault of their own as murderers is perhaps one of the most disgusting things I've read on this forum. Sorry to be all melodramatic about it, but good grief.
    Quite. Has he gone full on Taliban now?

    Interesting to note that @Risico007 can make offensive comments like that about half of the population but if I call his religion laughable and utter bullshit it's me the law will come after because I am not 'respecting his beliefs.'
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 12,837
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Of course, yet again, you try to paint me as something I am not as it more easily fits your stereotypical take on a Northern Ireland citizen believer in God.
    Fixed.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?
    Why indeed. Just because I enjoy, to quote Jay from the Inbetweeners, ‘sun, sea, sand, sex, tits, booze, sun, sea and tits’ and would be somewhat irked to die doesn’t mean there is any reason for my existence. If I had not existed what would have changed? Bugger all except I wouldn’t have eviscerated the Lorius Karius of intellectual discourse on here.

    There is no point in existing if you don’t believe that you are an integral part of God’s plan and will go and live with him in heaven for eternity. Certainly a new low even by your limbo dancer levels of logic.

    By the same token if your life only has meaning because of your devotion to God and the promise of eternal life why don’t you hang yourself tomorrow and go and join the Lord in heaven?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
    The church will desperately try to block a woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body but vigoursously defend paedo priests.

    As long as you just bugger them in the vestry rather than kill them it’s all good is it old son?Good to see the church’s position on how to treat the innocent being clarified by our resident theologian.

    You know what murder should be legal too because why not ...

    Women having the right to be judge jury and executioner is perfect

    Again the murder of every life should be allowed because screw future poets doctors politicians peace makers screw their chance for a life women should decide if a person can live or not

    It isn't a person yet. Why is that so hard to understand. If we follow your logic then every time any of us have protected sex or wank we're all playing "judge jury and executioner" (and if you somehow manage to abstain from those until you're old and responsible enough to be a dad, you'll have ended up murdering a good few kiddies in your sleep by then).
    Post of the day. Although made me feel a bit guilty. In my time I guess I'm the Pol Pot of mass spermicide.

    If we carry on with this then what about failed attempts? Finishing inside a girl doesn't guarantee she'll get pregnant. So lets say there's a good Christian man who's never had any sexual experience with another person or by himself, and despite that has never had a wet dream. He saves himself until marriage and then on the wedding night him and his wife consumate it to try and start a family. But it doesn't happen that time, the test comes back negative. It might not be an intentional murder but surely we should be trying him for manslaughter?
  • Posts: 15,235
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right

    Then a man kills millions of innocents every time he ejaculates. See that's the problem when you know jack about biology and you want to dictate a woman's right to dispose of her body.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Of course, yet again, you try to paint me as something I am not as it more easily fits your stereotypical take on a Northern Ireland citizen believer in God.
    Fixed.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Fine words indeed Darth. I eagerly await @Risico007’s YouTube response.

    Meanwhile another nail in the coffin of the Church’s influence: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/27/ireland-to-start-abortion-law-reform-after-historic-vote
    The spotlight on Northern Ireland now. Sorry Draggers but religion and it’s medieval practices under the cosh down your way some time soon. Perhaps you could move to Damascus?

    By the way did anyone notice Mo Salah having a good pray before the CL final? How did that work out for him religionists? I suppose you’ll tell me that’s because he was praying to Allah not the one true God.

    I wonder if you could go back in time would you tell your parents to abort you after all with no reason to live no point to life why bother having the experience at all?
    Why indeed. Just because I enjoy, to quote Jay from the Inbetweeners, ‘sun, sea, sand, sex, tits, booze, sun, sea and tits’ and would be somewhat irked to die doesn’t mean there is any reason for my existence. If I had not existed what would have changed? Bugger all except I wouldn’t have eviscerated the Lorius Karius of intellectual discourse on here.

    There is no point in existing if you don’t believe that you are an integral part of God’s plan and will go and live with him in heaven for eternity. Certainly a new low even by your limbo dancer levels of logic.

    By the same token if your life only has meaning because of your devotion to God and the promise of eternal life why don’t you hang yourself tomorrow and go and join the Lord in heaven?
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But the idea of killing innocent should be seen as barbaric rather then celebrated right
    The church will desperately try to block a woman’s right to decide what happens to her own body but vigoursously defend paedo priests.

    As long as you just bugger them in the vestry rather than kill them it’s all good is it old son?Good to see the church’s position on how to treat the innocent being clarified by our resident theologian.

    You know what murder should be legal too because why not ...

    Women having the right to be judge jury and executioner is perfect

    Again the murder of every life should be allowed because screw future poets doctors politicians peace makers screw their chance for a life women should decide if a person can live or not

    It isn't a person yet. Why is that so hard to understand. If we follow your logic then every time any of us have protected sex or wank we're all playing "judge jury and executioner" (and if you somehow manage to abstain from those until you're old and responsible enough to be a dad, you'll have ended up murdering a good few kiddies in your sleep by then).
    Post of the day. Although made me feel a bit guilty. In my time I guess I'm the Pol Pot of mass spermicide.

    If we carry on with this then what about failed attempts? Finishing inside a girl doesn't guarantee she'll get pregnant. So lets say there's a good Christian man who's never had any sexual experience with another person or by himself, and despite that has never had a wet dream. He saves himself until marriage and then on the wedding night him and his wife consumate it to try and start a family. But it doesn't happen that time, the test comes back negative. It might not be an intentional murder but surely we should be trying him for manslaughter?
    Well even if you are as good as Scaramanga and get her up the duff on your first shot only one sperm fertilises the egg. Once one breaks through it's goodnight Vienna for the rest so you've still killed millions of God's living sperm cells if you actually succeed in conceiving.

    The only way to stop yourself being a murderer is by pledging yourself to God and taking a vow of celibacy.
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    I just find it amusing those for abortion wouldn’t have wanted themselves to be aborted science knows if I was for abortion I would of wanted my parents to abort me
  • Posts: 15,235
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I just find it amusing those for abortion wouldn’t have wanted themselves to be aborted science knows if I was for abortion I would of wanted my parents to abort me

    Given my circumstances no. Given other circumstances...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    I just find it amusing those for abortion wouldn’t have wanted themselves to be aborted science knows if I was for abortion I would of wanted my parents to abort me

    ....what have I just read?
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    Let me see if I can find some middle ground here because the issue that you are saying if a woman doesn’t want to go through the changes then she shouldn’t have to... ok
    With millions of couples who can’t concieve a child but want to wouldn’t it be smarter instead of abortion to take the preborn children out of the women who don’t want them and put them into women who do? Again it would basically make everyone happy

    No deaths
    No women having to put their bodies through things they don’t want to

    But I am the crazy religious guy so don’t listen to me continue to live in a black and white world
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Let me see if I can find some middle ground here because the issue that you are saying if a woman doesn’t want to go through the changes then she shouldn’t have to... ok
    With millions of couples who can’t concieve a child but want to wouldn’t it be smarter instead of abortion to take the preborn children out of the women who don’t want them and put them into women who do? Again it would basically make everyone happy

    No deaths
    No women having to put their bodies through things they don’t want to
    I absolutely love this guy!
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But I am the crazy religious guy so don’t listen to me
    Yep and don't worry no one is mate.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    He’s gotta be trolling now. It’s the only explanation.
  • RC7RC7
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Let me see if I can find some middle ground here because the issue that you are saying if a woman doesn’t want to go through the changes then she shouldn’t have to... ok
    With millions of couples who can’t concieve a child but want to wouldn’t it be smarter instead of abortion to take the preborn children out of the women who don’t want them and put them into women who do? Again it would basically make everyone happy

    No deaths
    No women having to put their bodies through things they don’t want to

    But I am the crazy religious guy so don’t listen to me continue to live in a black and white world

    Have I had a stroke?
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Let me see if I can find some middle ground here because the issue that you are saying if a woman doesn’t want to go through the changes then she shouldn’t have to... ok
    With millions of couples who can’t concieve a child but want to wouldn’t it be smarter instead of abortion to take the preborn children out of the women who don’t want them and put them into women who do? Again it would basically make everyone happy

    No deaths
    No women having to put their bodies through things they don’t want to
    I absolutely love this guy!
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But I am the crazy religious guy so don’t listen to me
    Yep and don't worry no one is mate.

    So it’s not barbaric to kill millions innocent and it is barbaric to find ways to make everyone happy

    Shall we make euthanasia legal as well?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,269
    It is in my country.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    It is in my country.

    It is in mine too. Oops.

    I was thinking about it last night and the debate on abortion is peripheral to the one about God: one can be an atheist and be against abortion and one can believe in God and be all for it. Although it is true that many religious organizations such as the Catholic Church not only oppose abortion but lobby against it. And completely disregarded women's need and biology.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Let me see if I can find some middle ground here because the issue that you are saying if a woman doesn’t want to go through the changes then she shouldn’t have to... ok
    With millions of couples who can’t concieve a child but want to wouldn’t it be smarter instead of abortion to take the preborn children out of the women who don’t want them and put them into women who do? Again it would basically make everyone happy

    No deaths
    No women having to put their bodies through things they don’t want to
    I absolutely love this guy!
    Risico007 wrote: »
    But I am the crazy religious guy so don’t listen to me
    Yep and don't worry no one is mate.

    So it’s not barbaric to kill millions innocent and it is barbaric to find ways to make everyone happy
    You don’t have to convince me son. I think your eBay for half formed foetuses system should bag you a Nobel prize if there is any justice in this world.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Shall we make euthanasia legal as well?
    Nah bollocks to that. Better to let sentient beings die in hideous agony and with no dignity like the all loving Lord intended when he kindly gave them motor neurone disease or Alzheimer’s. It’s the blobs of cells with no consciousness that we should be fighting for.

    Such a shame as you were on a roll.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,269
    About abortion and euthanasia: there is no right or wrong. Or rather, there are good arguments against and good arguments for abortion/euthanasia. Neither side will ever have the complete "truth" on their side.

    So, in my opinion, women should have the final say regarding their unborn children.
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 12,837
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Shall we make euthanasia legal as well?

    It should be up to the person imo. If I was suffering from something incurable and had exhausted all treatment options but was only getting worse, then in all honesty sorting my affairs out saying goodbye to my loved ones and heading over to Dignitas with my immediate family sounds preferrable to hanging around and turning into a husk of myself. But why should I have to fork out to see myself off so far from home? Wouldn't it be fairer to do it in the comfort of my own country surrounded by as many of my loved ones as possible without risking them getting nicked for it afterwards?
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    My greatest fear is being diagnosed with Alzheimer's. If that's the case I'm booking my self into Dignitas.

    Although, I can stop by @DarthDimi's place. Any good euthanasia clinics near you old boy? That'd be a great send off. Having a few beers with Dimi then off to "the Clinic" to say goodbye to this mortal world, instead of having to "live" like a zombie.
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    I just feel we should look at other solutions

    Seriously if it was scientifically possible to remove a fetus from a woman who doesn’t want it to one who does I challenge anyone to find the issue with that everyone is happy
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