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Or God is incompetent.
When did I say science was bad?
Please show me a quote of me saying that
He didn't say that. He said that science gives better results and is far more reliable than faith, particularly prayers. For all your claims of miracles none of your prayers have been proven to accomplish what these doctors did.
Maybe I prayed for the doctors to succeed and they did so ha my prayers worked
So now you want to take credit for it?
You can just pray and God will cure it if you deserve to be cured or you can accept it's all part of His great plan for you. In fact it is rather arrogant to even try to get cured as He decided you should suffer.
Even taking a Paracetamol is surely contravening His grand design for you to get a headache isn't it?
You do realize god helps those who help themselves right
On a fast track to Heaven far away from frailties and issues of this life
Then let's abort them all.
On a serious note won’t anyone explain to me what happened in 1st century Jerusalem
Ah. "You don't agree with my religious views so you deserve to die". The same insane mindset that's given us everything from the crusades right through to ISIS. I know people have been taking the piss out of you (you've made it easy to be fair) but surely you can see that's blowing things way out of proportion? Although you did call women who'd had abortions (including rape victims) barbaric murderers a few pages back for not hanging on and waiting just in case your magic fetus transplant service ever gets going, so maybe not.
On a serious note did anything happen in 1st century Jerusalem worth explaining? You'd need first to prove something happened. YOU make the positive claim the burden of proof is on your side.
I've taken a bit of a backseat to this thread, but it appears those roles have been switched for the last, I don't know, 20 to 30 pages. I'm kind of shocked that's what you truly think has been going on in this thread.
Ok so how did Christianity get started clearly we know it exists today so when and how did it get started?
This should be a simple question I don’t know why no one has come up with an answer
Come to think of it why don't you just kill yourself then so you can also get on that 'fast track to Heaven'? After all ‘God helps those who helps themselves’ so why sit around on this dump of a planet for 80 years when you cease the day and get yourself there in seconds by putting your head on a train track?
Fair enough you had me hook, line, sinker and copy of Angling Times. I was genuinely beginning to believe you were a religionutter but you’ve been having us on all along.
That’s top bantz mate - well done!
most likely, some superstitious cultists got excited. Mormonism, Scientology, Raelism, they pretty much all started like this.
But ignoring the facts at hand is that even atheist point out the disciples were not cultists
What facts at hand? You gave us no fact whatsoever so far. Only presuppositions and claims. The disciples (whoever they were) were cultists, or at least sectarians.
What proof do you have that they were cultists
That would depend of the definition, but taking the one from Wiki: "The term cult usually refers to a social group defined by its religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal. " the shoe certainly fits.It can also fit as a sect: "a group of people with somewhat different religious beliefs (typically regarded as heretical) from those of a larger group to which they belong."
Whether you consider earlier Xians cultists or sectarians, in both cases they were marginal groups of religious people.
Do you usually cherry pick when you argue people or am I special
These definitions fit early Christianity. It was a marginal Jewish sect like many others at the time. Now you can give me a definition of cult where early Christianity doesn't fit the bill and I have no problem with that. YOU make the claim that something happened in first century Jerusalem YOU show evidence of that something happened.
Similarly claims that the Loch Ness monster exists are unsupported, I think some people at least were sincere saying they saw it, but deluded. Unless evidence is given that there is more than hearsay I will dismiss the claim that there is a Loch Ness monster as unsupported. And I don't think Saint Colomban was a reliable eye witness... or that he saw anything.
Sigh this is the issue I have with the modern atheist they can claim anything they want provide no proof or evidence but say Christians need to provide more proof makes Thomas look like a believer before he saw the risen lord to be honest. Look as Darth laid his cards on the table I will to frankly I don’t care what others believe and that is the truth. Of course the question is why come here well I will defend my faith. Though since you all praise Darth let me as well he is the only person here who has mad me rethink things not a lot of things mind you essentially old earth vs young earth but still he made me think the rest of you shout out your beliefs like facts and ignore other things we know for example the empty tomb the conversion of Paul and James the fact that we have a creed dated to 35 that says Christ was died hurried and rose on the third day etc. honestly the lack of evidence comes from the atheist side not the believers side but I digress
On this thread and on so many other occasions, the burden of proof concept has been done to death, explained a millon times with examples that a three year old can grasp (the Loch Ness monster is as good as any) but still, this issue comes up over and over and over again. It's so boring!!
Time to go and feed that invisible Pink dragon in my garage, you know the one, the one that has no proof re it's non-existence.
The point is we DON'T know for a fact there was an empty tomb or the circumstances of Paul's conversion. In fact we know nothing about the historical Jesus and his own existence is debatable. You make all these assumptions, confusing facts with claims even if we've pointed it out to you time and again, so I'm wondering if you're not merely intellectually dishonest but a bit bonkers too.
There is only one thing I know about God....