President Donald Trump and James Bond Villainy?

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  • Posts: 12,473
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    @bondjames you are probably right. The agendas are only going to get pushed harder now as well.
    Precisely.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I did say at the outset that I wanted the thread to be solely about the potential influence of President Trump on Bond villainy and that it was not intended for political discussion or attacks on his presidency as there were other threads available the community to discuss these aspects of Trump.

    We seem to be drifting into that kind of discussion here as well unfortunately. Yet another example of outside debates leaching into an unrelated topic. Sad that this has to happen.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Apologies if I contributed to that.
    I'm not seeing the filmmakers taking on a politically hated figure as a model for a Bond villain. Even as a quick aside, as done in a positive light with Thatcher, going negative and political is something to avoid. And with the current tone of the films I think that's even more true.
    What would the villlain's plot be? Questionable real estate dealings? Unfair construction projects? The unexplained popularity of his (or her) reality television show?
  • The closest we've come to a politically oriented plot-line for Bond was in QoS. I don't see that happening again.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    No, I don't blame anyone in particular for this change in the discussion of this topic. It seems to be par for the course where a thread has an obvious political dimension to it. One becomes prepared for this sort of outcome, hence my plea in the OP and in the post above.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    The impact of Trump on villainy? Well we're likely not going to see a female villain next time out.

    In the era of Trump, Hollywood will probably overcompensate with more female and minority heroes and heroines because he's supposed to be anti women and anti-minority according to them.

    Doesn't really sound like a bad thing, it's not like we get too many already.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The impact of Trump on villainy? Well we're likely not going to see a female villain next time out.

    In the era of Trump, Hollywood will probably overcompensate with more female and minority heroes and heroines because he's supposed to be anti women and anti-minority according to them.

    Doesn't really sound like a bad thing, it's not like we get too many already.
    No, not a bad thing at all.

    As long as Bond stays white, male and a womanizer, I'm perfectly fine with it.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    The impact of Trump on villainy? Well we're likely not going to see a female villain next time out.

    In the era of Trump, Hollywood will probably overcompensate with more female and minority heroes and heroines because he's supposed to be anti women and anti-minority according to them.

    Doesn't really sound like a bad thing, it's not like we get too many already.
    No, not a bad thing at all.

    As long as Bond stays white, male and a womanizer, I'm perfectly fine with it.

    Oh I'm totally against changing the race or sex of an existing character, but they obviously don't need to do that, it's just pandering.
  • Felix Leiter is already black, as long as Geoffrey Wright is playing him. Not a bad thing.

    We don't often GET female villains in the movie Bond universe, and the major female villains -- the Irma Bunts and Rosa Klebbs -- aren't very attractive to begin with. Fleming didn't create Fiona Volpe or Xenia Onatoppe, and that sort of femme fatale is only present in maybe 1/4 of the Eon films...so the absence of a female villain in the next Bond storyline can't really be placed at Trump's door either.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I was more referring to Hollywood in general. EON plays by its own rules.

    As I said at the outset, I don't foresee much impact from Trump on Bond films. His government is really quite beneficial to Britain's security interests, and may in fact be more of a positive factor in a post-Brexit environment where US linkages may be more welcomed and encouraged.

    I think the EU will play into B25. I could see a traditional Gilbert style scenario where Russia (or Germany) is being fingered as the 'big bad' and the real culprit is a rogue operating out of Europe (or the US, China or Middle East even).
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Touched on earlier somewhat, but what past villains highlight "Trump villainy" potential?

    Wildly successful businessman like Goldfinger, Drax, Stromberg, many others.
    Manipulates (or successfully spars with) the media like Carver.
    Shameless self-promoter and braggart like Gustav Graves (present company excepted @Gustav_Graves).
    Operator of The Family Business, minus the mutinous actions of Electra King.
    As noted, Bond villain with a physical deformity goes to the hair.
    Cheats at a game of sport, golf mentioned. Maybe beauty pageants.
    Seeks title/position and the privilege that comes with it like Blofeld.

    So what new elements to bring to it?
    Has more than his share of disgruntled, usually fired, former employees or discarded acquaintances. Meaning also that most people won't cross him and pay the price.
    Surprisingly/controversially elected to high office and passionately opposed by press and public.
    Tech-savvy, at least to get his message out in sometimes crude ways.
    Lacks fear of hot-button topics like race, immigration, gender issues, health care. So, offensive at times.
    Eats a lot of junk food.
    Makes mysteriously frequent trips to Florida.
    Not on board with the current environmental program of action.

    I'd go with environmental.
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  • edited August 2017 Posts: 3,566
    I was originally thinking that Trump's form of Bond-villainy was something along Goldfinger lines -- but with current developments, I'm suspecting we should look for a remake of "Die Another Day." Featuring The Real DJT and L'il Kim as sociopathic twins separated at birth...both of them grown up fat and beyond reason, with bad haircuts and nuclear weapons. Toss in some gene switching so that one has a blonde bad haircut and the other a black BH...and I'm ready to cue Madonna with her latest non-hit, "Genocide Another Day."
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I was originally thinking that Trump's form of Bond-villainy was something along Goldfinger lines -- but with current developments, I'm suspecting we should look for a remake of "Die Another Day." Featuring The Real DJT and L'il Kim as sociopathic twins separated at birth...both of them grown up fat and beyond reason, with bad haircuts and nuclear weapons. Toss in some gene switching so that one has a blonde bad haircut and the other a black BH...and I'm ready to cue Madonna with her latest non-hit, "Genocide Another Day."

    So kind of like The Manchurian Candidate, only this time with twins?!
  • And bad haircuts. I expect Bond will have to seduce Ivanka, but now we're getting heavily into the plot...
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    And bad haircuts. I expect Bond will have to seduce Ivanka, but now we're getting heavily into the plot...

    So Trump is the new Elvis? Sounds good to me. Be careful on the steps, Donald.
  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    And bad haircuts. I expect Bond will have to seduce Ivanka, but now we're getting heavily into the plot...

    So Trump is the new Elvis? Sounds good to me. Be careful on the steps, Donald.

    "The Donald has left the building." (We wish...)
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    Spooky somehow...
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    And bad haircuts. I expect Bond will have to seduce Ivanka, but now we're getting heavily into the plot...

    So Trump is the new Elvis? Sounds good to me. Be careful on the steps, Donald.

    "The Donald has left the building." (We wish...)

    Give him time now, or even a term (maybe).
  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    And bad haircuts. I expect Bond will have to seduce Ivanka, but now we're getting heavily into the plot...

    So Trump is the new Elvis? Sounds good to me. Be careful on the steps, Donald.

    "The Donald has left the building." (We wish...)

    Give him time now, or even a term (maybe).

    I'll be happy to see him get some time. Twenty to life would be about right...
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 3,566
    Time to re-boot the storyline. After all, there are some very fine villains on all sides. Let's try a melding of Dr. Kanaga (head of an entire country, out primarily to enrich himself and a small circle of --racist?--friends) with Elliot Carver (using the lying media to start a war for his own purposes.) Any thoughts as to how Paris Carver fits in to this new storyline? Donald does have a few ex-wives....
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Mrcoggins wrote: »

    Wow, surprisingly powerful words there from Arnold. Goes to show that just because one is known for playing in a fantasy land of characters and cameras doesn't mean one has to be those characters through every walk of their life. Mr. Reality TV could learn a thing or two about entering true reality.
  • I wouldn't mind a villain taking influence from Trump but he shouldn't be the main bad guy imo. Bond villains shouldn't just be a threat because they're evil and have money/power, they should be really cunning and intelligent too. What could work is a Trump esque character acting as an unwilling/unaware pawn in a scheme set up by Spectre or someone else in the shadows. A villain who has business in America that'd be better seen to with someone like Trump in power.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Mrcoggins wrote: »

    Well said Arnie.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited August 2017 Posts: 18,281
    It's simply a brick igloo. Nothing sinister. Either that or a modern-day version of 'The Cask of Amontillado'.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    If only...
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Is Trump bricked in or bricking it I wonder? ;)
  • Now that Steve Bannon has been kicked out of the Trump Admin. and promises thermonuclear war against his ex-boss, I am reminded of the panic in Drax's voice while he sees Jaws switching sides: "JAWS! You obey ME!! JAWS!!!!
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