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Which 007 flick has the worst final 3rd : DAD,DAF,TND,SP ? *Edited to be a 4 way choice*
A simple 4 way choice,and a simple question .
OK Bond peeps,which film and why ?
OK Bond peeps,which film and why ?
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I'd rate TND as 2nd worse. Terribly cliched and trite ending. Bond twirling the machine gun around, the horrid kiss of life under water etc. etc. A poor man's TSWLM.
I grown to like the last half of DAD. Sure it's ridiculous, but the film had already lost its bearings well before that. So I enjoy it for its cartoonesque & quite clearly parodic nature.
Would probably choose Die Another Day, but I'd still take DAD over DAF, which was a snoozefest.
Across the board Brosnan had the weakest final acts.
EDIT: I do hate Rambo Bond, but after reflection I'd say TWINE had a much less interesting final act than TND.
Another strong contender. I'm always weary at the prospect of the rest of the film by the time Jinx and Bond hop on board Graves's plane.
Had a similar experience on my last go at the film.
I'll toss out one that might be controversial: FRWL.
It's nowhere near the worst, but after the Grant fight the film doesn't seem sure what to do. Placing the helicopter/boat sequences back-to-back has always seemed a symptom of the film being a bit lost.
SP - My mind has gone blank.... oh, that's right, Blofelds crater hideout, and the fall of the MI6 building. Yeah... it's probably not a good thing that I couldn't immediately remember what it was.
TND - I don't have a problem with the stealth ship battle, the opposite actually.
Worst would be DAD.
SP is boring, as stupid, if not more stupid than the above films, as unrealistic (in all of its faux-grittiness); boring and unnecessary; impossible for me to watch.
I call it a tie, but if forced, I'd watch SP over the other two, only because I can tolerate Craig in the stupidity, a little more than I can Brosnan.
Though I do admit that I really like Arnold's scoring during the final few minutes of TND.
Wretched.
If you dislike SP so much why are you watching it "on many an occasion"?
You don't have to watch them on a loop just because they're Bond films. No wonder you hate SP so much if you're forcing yourself to watch it night and day.
If I don't like a film I don't watch it. Easy. I know the Brosnan films are abysmal - rewatching them will only reinforce what I already feel. In my mind they're not really Bond films - just weird aberrations, closer to Austin Powers (but not as good).
It's a "good" selection we have here and hard to choose which is worst. Because I haven't seen them for years TND and DAD have faded from memory slightly.
I'd probably say DAD for the absurd CGI plane sequence. Can barely remember what happens in TND apart from Carver getting mashed by that machine.
But they're all worthy winners. Telling that all come from the MGW- Babs era.
There's really no excuse for how many misses they've had.
As cliched as that moment may be I do actually quite like it. Possibly because of Arnold's music.
I think Speed 2 did the same kiss underwater thing during the climax in 1997 also.
TWINE a decent ending to this adventure movie
DAD a loud and over present ending of a movie that flew of the rails several times in achieving its goal, you cannot fall asleep during this ending simply because of the noise level. ;)
Anyway, DAD has the worst third act of the lot. It's just too absurd. Second worst would be SP, since it's extremely dull.
TND is well-executed if a bit by-the-numbers, DAD is the sum of all that came before on acid but SP is pretentious and boring.
And SP and Mendes and Co were also as bankrupt of ideas as these three Brosnan films were. That tacked on ending in London is terrible. It was embarrassing to watch the first time, and now, I FF after Bond makes a miraculous recovery from his torture to take out an army of men, hundreds of feet away, and fly off in a helicopter (hey, this may have been as dumb of a concept as there can be-- but it was one of the only times there was actual excitement in the film, and a genuine desperation (to get out alive), no matter how absurd they set it up. Plus it makes me laugh out loud with how stupidly delicious this small scene is, and how dull the rest of the film is); and I re-watch the final scenes with Q, and then with Bond driving away with maddy 'cause, as I've sai, I'm a sucker to hear the Bond theme blast over-top of the growling Aston Martin (so kill me).
I think the first hour of TND is terrific. Right up till Joe Don Baker turns up.
DAD is, fencing scene aside, frankly a cavalcade of embarrassment, each turdlike scene heaping more and more nonsense till we end up with bewildering cartoon like mayhem.
Spectre is like the end of a glass of coke when it's gone flat and the ice cubes have melted.
I loathe the photos because they not only represent terrible writing, they are also indicative of the film's painful need to connect the Craig films.
Who said anything about watching it on a loop? I've viewed the film many times because it's the most recent effort, and because I was trying to determine if I could make some sense out of what the writers and director were trying to get at. I have, and I've voiced my positive and negative comments on the 'Bond movie thread' when I've had a viewing. There is much to like, most notably aspects of the production design and visuals. Perhaps you should have a read, given you seem to be fixated on my views of the film (based on remarks you have made on numerous threads).
I don't hate SP. I've told you before that is not an emotion I'm partial to. When I comment on something I make observations and arguments as to why that is the case. It's always from my personal point of view and expresses my personal opinion (which everything here is by the way), but it's not a question of blanket 'hate'. Perhaps you have a habit of looking at things differently & more emotionally. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I take issue with you mischaracterizing my views.
SP is 20 out of 24 on my list. At one point it was as high as 17.
Good to know. That's your prerogative.
I actually really like the TWINE finale. I think the submarine setting is cool and the shots of Bond swimming alongside it are great and very tense. I know a lot of people hate the final fight but I think it's fine given the context (Bond is exhausted, Renard is a terrorist not a highly trained hand to hand fighter) and has a lot of real emotion and passion behind it. It feels like both men are on their last legs but determined to win. Some overracting there but that doesn't do much to spoil a great finale to a brilliant, criminally underrated Bond film imo.
Yeah I think DAF is actually very enjoyable up to the Blofeld reveal. After that it's just boring, we've seen it all before. And Bond and Blofeld's interactions make the whole thing feel very low stakes. Bond literally floats up and gets captured straight away and then they talk more like old friendly sporting rivals rather than arch enemies (one of whom has kileld the others wife). No sense of danger or tension whatsoever. Add in the piss poor special effects from the satellite attacks, the faffing about with the tapes, Blofeld's anti climatic death and Tiffany machine gunning herself off the oil rig and that's a strong candidate for the weakest imo.
I'd say TMWTGG is up there because the Solex stuff is laughably bad (one lame security guard? So piss poor and cheap) but you at least have the great Bond/Scaramanga duel.
001) DAD(a poor man's CGI rip off of the superior Hercules finale in TLD 0015 years earlier)
002) TND(Die Hard meets TSWLM)
003) SP(I did like Bond and Madeleine's escape in the desert, the Blofeld and white cat reveal and the reverse of the FYEO PTS Bond vs. Blofeld in the helicopter in London sequence).