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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Well, I will be taking my students to Dublin this year. Like hell we're going to pay for a visum. We're neighbors, for Christ's sake. Many Brits thought Brexit would bring them restored glory but it's empty shelves instead. I still love the British people, though.

    Interestingly, Ireland is still in the EU, so don't worry about that. Rayanair will fly you there for a couple of euro's.

    My DVD still hasn't arrived yet. I think that's the thing that bothers me the most: how long it takes. Almost a month now. If I'd ordered it in China i'd already be here...

    Ireland is beautiful, it's cheap for us to get there, no silly border checks and I always hope to bump into Pierce. 😉

    I used to buy all my DVDs/BLURAYs/books in the UK. Sadly, I have to go elsewhere now. I tried a few times but the extra costs went through the roof. I also wanted to take my wife to London for our Honeymoon since she's never been there. But obviously I'm not paying for our visa. I regret this. Visits to the UK happened often and with a smile. Now I just don't feel particularly welcome there anymore.
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    I bumped into Pierce in Oakland, CA.
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    Funny, that. The last order I got from Amazon.co.uk arrived sooner than expected (ordered saturday, delivered on monday). Don't know if it's the delivery method you chose, but personally, I've never had any problem getting anything from that branch of Amazon (well, once or twice, but I've been a customer for some twenty years or so now).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I bought a Hitchcock bluray box from Amazon and had to pay an additional 70 euros import costs. I recently bought three books and had to pay an extra 37 euros to the customs. This is where I draw the line. Brexit is not going to profit from me anymore.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I bought a Hitchcock bluray box from Amazon and had to pay an additional 70 euros import costs. I recently bought three books and had to pay an extra 37 euros to the customs. This is where I draw the line. Brexit is not going to profit from me anymore.
    With all due respect for your anger and with all disdain for Brexit, the latter does not at all profit from you having to pay import levies, which end up in the importing country's (or EU) coffers. It's just the cause.

    What you have to pay up to a value (purchase price plus transport costs, generally speaking) below 150 euros is the importation VAT, which is the same as your local VAT (i.e. 19 % in the case of Germany), but no additional customs levies in the strict sense. This would mean to me that your Hitchcock box cost about 368 euros or so, if the Belgian VAT level is at least similar.

    But still thank you, trying to analyse this I first realized that the minimum limit for importation VAT (of EUR 22.00) no longer exists, so I'll be very reluctant to buy from amazon.co.uk anymore.
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    All right, call me anally retentive if you wish (although my transit is fine these days), but...

    At work, they are doing right now an animation (game, bets and quizzes) about the Six Nations Rugby Tournament right now. But they did one tiny mistake. To present each country, they had flags. All was fine for France (of course), Italy, Ireland, Wales and Scotland, but to represent England, they used this :

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    Instead of this :

    langfr-225px-Flag_of_England.svg.png

    Now i know that, from a non british viewpoint, England and the United Kingdom are often confused with one another, but still, would it have been that difficult to find the right flag ?
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    Censorship is BULLSHIT.

    https://www.today.com/parents/banned-books-list-t245898

    Stuff like this, things being edited out of movies, etc. is a complete insult to artistic freedom and should never be allowed to happen under any circumstances.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Censorship is BULLSHIT.

    https://www.today.com/parents/banned-books-list-t245898

    Stuff like this, things being edited out of movies, etc. is a complete insult to artistic freedom and should never be allowed to happen under any circumstances.

    MAUS is still mandatory reading in my school!

    Censorship really is pathetic. Just take a deep dive into the history of the video nasties in the UK, a terrifyingly barbaric hysteria running rampant in the '80s and '90s, spearheaded by daft sods like Mary Whitehouse, a textbook case of a failed nun who hates sex and blood and decides everyone else should too. She talked ambitious politicians into supporting her witchhunt; consequently, video stores were raided, livestock was confiscated and even destroyed, owners were fined or even imprisoned! All of that happened because of horror and exploitation classics like Maniac, The Driller Killer, SS Experiment Camp, Cannibal Holocaust... Over here in Belgium, meanwhile, I could easily walk into a video store and buy these films perfectly legitimately, as a 14-year old no less (and looking not a day above 12). But in the UK, hopelessly conservative politicians issued bans following the crippled rhetoric from old hag Whitehouse, false and fabricated statistics and religious turmoil (which, for some mysterious reason, people still pay attention to). When real-life violence was blamed on Child's Play 3, hands-down the lamest of the series, UK censors went loony. At one point, even Schindler's List was confiscated by overzealous policemen, thinking the film was just another 'video nasty', which tells you something about the intellect and practices of these idiots. Pam Grier's classic Foxy Brown was blacklisted and even Rambo: First Blood and Michael Winner's Death Wish films were targeted by moaning Whitehouse.

    Fredric Wertham tried it in the '50s, Mary Whitehouse, CBE(!), repeated it in the '80s. Both are dead now, and I'm enjoying my comic books and violent movies, neither turning gay -- which Wertham disgustingly described as an illness boys would get from reading superhero comics -- nor turning violent, although if Whitehouse were still alive, I might consider making an exception. No one tells me what I can read or watch, nor at what age. If she was afraid of penises, breasts or limbs, so be it. My abilities to tell fiction from reality are, however, still perfectly functional.

    It saddens me, @FoxRox, that these forms of censorship persist. We had one crazy mother a few years ago, who demanded to read the school's book selection for her daughter first, so she could cross out all the sentences she perceived as disturbing and render them unreadable. Some coming-of-age material for teens evidently contains a lot of sexual material, such as detailed descriptions of the act of masturbation. Mommy returned one book with almost half of all sentences scratched out, because to the unintelligent woman's surprise, words or sentences alone are often meaningless; thoughts pervade entire paragraphs, sometimes even entire chapters. In the end, not a lot of "book" was left for her daughter to peruse. The mother stated religious motivations. Apparently, Jesus thinks sex is filthy. My colleague instantly knew she was dealing with "one of those" and decided to arrest further attempts at trying to reason with this deplorable person. Luckily, the daughter was smarter. She smuggled a new copy into her bedroom, read the whole thing, had a blast with it, and thanked her teacher. "Mommy has some issues." Of course, she has. Otherwise, you wouldn't prefer censorship over having an actual, relevant discussion about things. See Maus.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Ah, the one and only Mary Whitehouse. She’d have a fit if she saw the “immoral filth” on British tv these days. :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Ah, the one and only Mary Whitehouse. She’d have a fit if she saw the “immoral filth” on British tv these days. :))

    I'm sure current media would have the poor girl in quite a dither. Glad to see her efforts didn't pay off. But I am still appalled by the lack of apologies sent out to the honest folks trying to make a living renting video tapes.
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    A lot of efforts to censor and block art have come from conservatives, but the left has also gotten in on the action these days. I don’t discriminate here - anyone who tries to censor for any reason / agenda seriously bothers me. One only sanitizes and lies about history / art when they alter things like eliminating racial slurs (Huckleberry Finn) or changing any other element to fit a modern climate. Disney locking up Song of the South is a good example of this. What are they accomplishing? They’re just making more people curious to see for themselves and trying to make themselves look better. They have warnings now on old animated films with problematic details, but you have to think it’s just a matter of time before versions with cut content arrive too.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    A lot of efforts to censor and block art have come from conservatives, but the left has also gotten in on the action these days. I don’t discriminate here - anyone who tries to censor for any reason / agenda seriously bothers me. One only sanitizes and lies about history / art when they alter things like eliminating racial slurs (Huckleberry Finn) or changing any other element to fit a modern climate. Disney locking up Song of the South is a good example of this. What are they accomplishing? They’re just making more people curious to see for themselves and trying to make themselves look better. They have warnings now on old animated films with problematic details, but you have to think it’s just a matter of time before versions with cut content arrive too.

    Oh, I completely agree. Left, right, ... doesn't matter to me. Censorship is its own kind of evil.
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    @DarthDimi Exactly. And thank you for making that really detailed response earlier - good stuff. It’s probably a pipe dream, but it’d be awesome if people as a collective whole someday got mature enough to not do this outrageous practice.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    @DarthDimi Exactly. And thank you for making that really detailed response earlier - good stuff. It’s probably a pipe dream, but it’d be awesome if people as a collective whole someday got mature enough to not do this outrageous practice.

    Thank you, @FoxRox. Maturity. Yes, that's what it boils down to, doesn't it?

    What you find shocking, someone else might not. Even if you believe that some content leads to bad behavior, wait for hard evidence first; and failing to find any, do not fabricate any yourself. Lastly, live and let live; what's out there in terms of books and films has a readership and viewership. No one is saying you need to partake, so don't tell others they can't.

    It's immature, like you said, FoxRox!
  • edited January 2022 Posts: 12,466
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @DarthDimi Exactly. And thank you for making that really detailed response earlier - good stuff. It’s probably a pipe dream, but it’d be awesome if people as a collective whole someday got mature enough to not do this outrageous practice.

    Thank you, @FoxRox. Maturity. Yes, that's what it boils down to, doesn't it?

    What you find shocking, someone else might not. Even if you believe that some content leads to bad behavior, wait for hard evidence first; and failing to find any, do not fabricate any yourself. Lastly, live and let live; what's out there in terms of books and films has a readership and viewership. No one is saying you need to partake, so don't tell others they can't.

    It's immature, like you said, FoxRox!

    Couldn't have said it better. And along those lines, not trying to get too political about this - as I've said everyone's guilty of it - but I find it amusing how each side finds different things more "offensive." Like on average, you have the conservatives flipping out about nudity and sexual things, and on the left it often is more to do with violence or attitudes that were simply part of the times. Funny thing is James Bond gets to piss off all of them at once! XD

    But seriously, it's all just media too. Why get worked up over fiction and then ruin it for the rest of us that can maturely process everything? I think it's important especially to keep everything as it was in circulation to understand some older attitudes conveyed through media and stuff. The wise quote goes: those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This stuff's important beyond just an artistic level too. I feel we need it to remember. Disagreeing with actions of characters or attitudes presented through media isn't the same as being a child about it and trying to erase it from existence.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Why get worked up over fiction and then ruin it for the rest of us that can maturely process everything? I think it's important especially to keep everything as it was in circulation to understand some older attitudes conveyed through media and stuff. The wise quote goes: those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This stuff's important beyond just an artistic level too. I feel we need it to remember. Disagreeing with actions of characters or attitudes presented through media isn't the same as being a child about it and trying to erase it from existence.

    In a word, religion.

    Sometimes people want to be told how to think instead of thinking for themselves.

    I remember when I was a teen and the Catholic newspaper said, "Octopussy--O [offensive]." It made me want to see it all the more...
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    echo wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Why get worked up over fiction and then ruin it for the rest of us that can maturely process everything? I think it's important especially to keep everything as it was in circulation to understand some older attitudes conveyed through media and stuff. The wise quote goes: those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This stuff's important beyond just an artistic level too. I feel we need it to remember. Disagreeing with actions of characters or attitudes presented through media isn't the same as being a child about it and trying to erase it from existence.

    In a word, religion.

    Sometimes people want to be told how to think instead of thinking for themselves.

    I remember when I was a teen and the Catholic newspaper said, "Octopussy--O [offensive]." It made me want to see it all the more...

    I've actually been tempted to go into a really long rant about religion on here, but I fear it may not end well.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Why get worked up over fiction and then ruin it for the rest of us that can maturely process everything? I think it's important especially to keep everything as it was in circulation to understand some older attitudes conveyed through media and stuff. The wise quote goes: those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This stuff's important beyond just an artistic level too. I feel we need it to remember. Disagreeing with actions of characters or attitudes presented through media isn't the same as being a child about it and trying to erase it from existence.

    In a word, religion.

    Sometimes people want to be told how to think instead of thinking for themselves.

    I remember when I was a teen and the Catholic newspaper said, "Octopussy--O [offensive]." It made me want to see it all the more...

    I've actually been tempted to go into a really long rant about religion on here, but I fear it may not end well.

    Take it from me (creator of the eventually closed Religion and Faith thread here) that that will indeed not end well. :)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Why get worked up over fiction and then ruin it for the rest of us that can maturely process everything? I think it's important especially to keep everything as it was in circulation to understand some older attitudes conveyed through media and stuff. The wise quote goes: those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This stuff's important beyond just an artistic level too. I feel we need it to remember. Disagreeing with actions of characters or attitudes presented through media isn't the same as being a child about it and trying to erase it from existence.

    In a word, religion.

    Sometimes people want to be told how to think instead of thinking for themselves.

    I remember when I was a teen and the Catholic newspaper said, "Octopussy--O [offensive]." It made me want to see it all the more...

    I've actually been tempted to go into a really long rant about religion on here, but I fear it may not end well.

    Take it from me (creator of the eventually closed Religion and Faith thread here) that that will indeed not end well. :)
    Allow me to join you in your feelings. But why should we be able to discuss religion without problems when we obviously cannot discuss politics without such problems.
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    Unfortunately, there are undeniable religious and political links with censorship, but I still feel it is an issue so shared by religious / non-religious, conservative / liberal that it's not like I'm trying to provoke a certain side or anything.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Unfortunately, there are undeniable religious and political links with censorship, but I still feel it is an issue so shared by religious / non-religious, conservative / liberal that it's not like I'm trying to provoke a certain side or anything.

    Yeah, that's true. Censors come flying in from all sides. Religion doesn't monopolize censorship at all.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited January 2022 Posts: 18,270
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Unfortunately, there are undeniable religious and political links with censorship, but I still feel it is an issue so shared by religious / non-religious, conservative / liberal that it's not like I'm trying to provoke a certain side or anything.

    Certainly and of course limited discussion of religion and politics in regard to censorship is fine. Those are the main sources of censorship within a state, although I think the influence of the Church is certainly waning in the area of censorship. Self-censorship and the chilling effect of the modern day "cancel culture" are also factors to be considered.

    It is when one specific side or other launches into polemics against the other and things start to get personal that we have problems here. That's why the Religion and Politics threads (many of which were admittedly mine) ultimately had to be closed down some years ago. I've learned the hard way that it was for the best.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I had a lot of fun with the religion thread, but we received complaints AND were lectured at some point. The matter proved too sensitive so the smart thing to do was shut it down.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I had a lot of fun with the religion thread, but we received complaints AND were lectured at some point. The matter proved too sensitive so the smart thing to do was shut it down.

    You "pray" that it can be reopened someday ;)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I had a lot of fun with the religion thread, but we received complaints AND were lectured at some point. The matter proved too sensitive so the smart thing to do was shut it down.

    You "pray" that it can be reopened someday ;)

    Oh, heaven forbid! :)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Unfortunately, there are undeniable religious and political links with censorship, but I still feel it is an issue so shared by religious / non-religious, conservative / liberal that it's not like I'm trying to provoke a certain side or anything.

    Yeah, that's true. Censors come flying in from all sides. Religion doesn't monopolize censorship at all.

    Keep on rockin in the...um...
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Bond is my religion. He died for us.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    'My god is Crom. He dwells on a great mountain. What use to call on him? Little he cares if men live or die. Better to be silent than to call his attention to you. He will send you dooms, not fortune!'
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited January 2022 Posts: 18,270
    QBranch wrote: »
    Bond is my religion. He died for us.

    Well I suppose that you did once give confession. ;)

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Venutius wrote: »
    My god is Crom. He dwells on a great mountain. What use to call on him? Little he cares if men live or die. Better to be silent than to call his attention to you. He will send you dooms, not fortune!

    Aha, I always thought OMC was just a spelling mistake from your side.
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