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SKYFALL. -HOW DO YOU SEE IT NOW?

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Morning Fellow Agents

Whats the last thing you remember of Skyfall ,what did you think of it when you first saw it? It was November right around the 21st my birthday and i'd been so excited to watch it. Why? because i wanted to see continuity. I'd been addicted to the Adrenaline Rushed ,Fire stuffed,emotional darkness of Quantum of Solace so going into Skyfall thats what i expected and i got something totally different. I got a More Experienced , Polished and Flashy James Bond. First Question that came to mind was is this a Sequel ? Does it take place years after Quantum of Solace or Is this a Big reboot? and walking out of the theater my initial feeling was ehhhh it wasn't all that. But now that i look back in retrospect and After Spectre tied it all together i finally saw what everybody was looking at. Craigs Bond is all about progress and we always get to see a different part of his career we've seen the birth of it and with Skyfall we get to see him become the Bond of old with Money Penny , His first time meeting Q and the loss of his mother figure M. Some will Argue that Craigs Bond keeps rebooting and never gets started....that my friends is a lie. Craig Bond already started but people never see the bigger picture. Every Craig Bond Film is A significant event and they're not just random Missions with a one end villain as Moores era was like Brosnans was respectively. These particular missions were Major and Skyfall was no exception. Bond has lost Vesper he buried that hate and forgave her in Quantum as she was a Victim and now six years later he faces a bigger challenge when the world around him changes and he has to reinvent himself in order do what he has to do. The conflict originates way back in 1986 through 1997 way before M met Bond and Bond was still in the Military. Hacking beyond his brief he was given up to M and now years later this Evil has arose. Skyfall is a Grand scope the widens Craigs world to larger than life personalities and bigger than death consequences as he makes transition from new school rookie bond to old school James Bond. All the way down to the last few words he says to M as tanner leaves the Room. This man is the real 007. Thoughts??? lets hear it.
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  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    Posts: 541
    I see it as the most recent Bond movie to have been released.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    edited March 2018 Posts: 1,534
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I see it as the most recent Bond movie to have been released.

    Seconded. And standalone.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,344
    I thought that Spectre was the most recent, no?
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited March 2018 Posts: 2,252
    The key is the words "I see it as"?
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,927
    Then: Great direction, cinematography, villain. But something was missing that kept it from being a complete experience.

    Now: Pretty much the same. Vastly overrated.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,344
    w2bond wrote: »
    The key is the words "I see it as"?

    Yes, it's all subjective. That said, I see it as one of the best Bond films, second only to OHMSS.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    Still a very beautiful, stylish Bond movie. Great acting, very good villain. Welcome addition to the series. It was a welcome, new kind of Bond story that one can fully embrace even if not from Britain. „Welcome to Scotland“ - just great.

    Basically my rating of the movie hasn‘t changed (other than QoS which I appreciate more and more with each year that passes)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,085
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    The key is the words "I see it as"?

    Yes, it's all subjective. That said, I see it as one of the best Bond films, second only to OHMSS.

    Exchange OHMSS for FRWL, and I fully concur (though OHMSS wouldn't be that far behind either).
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,589
    It is now solidly planted as #1 in my rankings.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    Posts: 5,185
    It's my number #2, has pretty much stayed there since i saw it the first time.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    I've warmed to aspects of the film since 2012 and do appreciate it more than I did with my first few viewings, but as a whole, it hasn't fluctuated or drastically changed at all for me. Will likely remain at #23 for the foreseeable future.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    It has always been a top ten film for me since its release. I think I currently have it at 8 or 9 and it's been as high as 6. I prefer watching it to the more revered CR and think it's more balanced throughout its runtime. The earlier film suffers terribly for me in the overwrought 3rd act imho.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited March 2018 Posts: 17,821
    Liked the visuals back then, and hoped it (the story and the soundtrack most of all) would grow on me after watching it again. Have failed completely to do so - falling further down on the ranking for each time I put it on, and is well outside the top ten for me. And don't get me started on SP…
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,585
    For me it's the only one of Craig's three long films that doesn't outstay its welcome.

    CR is a beautiful film, well crafted, exciting and Craig is a revelation. But I still can't shake off the feeling that the last 20 minutes felt tacked on.

    SP didn't need to be so long. They could've shaved 15 minutes off it quite easily and made it a tighter film. It isn't the epic Mendes thought it would be.

    SF flowed better in my eyes, and it still remains endlessly watchable.

    It will be the GF of the 21st Century Bonds, the jewel in the crown of the modern Bond films. Whether people agree or not (and plenty don't agree with GF's untouchable reputation either) it will have that standing.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,617
    The flow of SF is one of it's strengths and adds to it's rewatch factor. hard to become a classic Bond without the rewatch factor. It also is well paced IMHO and you dont realise that over 2 hours has gone by the time we get to "with pleasure".

    Plus the balance of humour (dry, sarcastic ) with sadness is well done. Some great dialogue and supporting characters. MP is the weak point I think, just poor casting. But it's not a deal breaker.

    The whole thing just comes together very well (as long as you dont think too much), its pure, patriotic escapism and the box office showed that that's what punters like.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    I prefer yo not watch SF as there are far bette rand more fun 007 movies I do enjoy. I do hope that Boyle does give Craig the swansong that EON denied Brosnan.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,616
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Mulling it over, contrarily, most hardcore fans would replace those with FRWL, OHMSS, TLD and CR as a definitive representation (my iconic picks would take from both lists).

    That would certainly be me anyway.
    I find TSWLM, GE and SF over praised and not top ten material.
    The exception is GF. Deserves it's reputation as one of the best!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Yes, GF, TSWLM, GE and SF will always be beloved by the general public, and will be the marks that EON will come back to.
    Yes. I agree that these are probably the defining and iconic entries as far as the general public is concerned.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Mulling it over, contrarily, most hardcore fans would replace those with FRWL, OHMSS, TLD and CR as a definitive representation (my iconic picks would take from both lists).
    I agree with these as well, as far as the faithful are concerned.

    I too have a mix from both lists. Probably TSWLM, GE, SF from the first and FRWL, OHMSS and CR from the second.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    Posts: 2,107
    I see it as vastly overrated movie, that is part The World Is Not Enough and rip-off of a way better spy flick ; 1996's Mission Impossible. ( and Home Alone)
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    The visuals are amazing in skyfall but the story will always make it one of the lesser bond films for me. It’s just so poorly put together and I don’t like how it’s all about bond being played out, only in his 3rd film in the new rebooted timeline. I also don’t care for the overuse of cgi. Though this film has been steadily getting better for me.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    For me the movie has one major flaw whether 007 did participate in the action M would die, so his involvement should have been the main reason for his dismissal.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    Posts: 7,057
    I used to have a problem with Skyfall's plot weaknesses, but with the passage of time I've become more lenient in that respect (not unlike with other Bond films), in favor of just appreciating the concepts and ideas embedded in said plot-- cyberterrorism, the cold-hearted relationship between a spy and his country, not to mention the procedural, investigative feel intrinsic to the espionage genre. However, I still think Craig comes across as disinterested and not passionate and charismatic enough in the role of Bond, unlike in his other three films. Also, the film feels slow for much of its early half; there isn't enough intrigue or momentum to its story until Macau and Sévérine. Compare it with Thunderball, another slow paced entry, yet one in which the intrigue builds much more intensely, even in those early Shrublands scenes.

    Skyfall is probably my least favorite Bond film.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,523
    It’s one of the best Bond films. Wasn’t quite as dark and gritty as CR/QOS but not nearly as goofy and tired as SP. It looked amazing, had a great villain, good music (yes I said it; it’s a good soundtrack. SP is the bad one in comparison as it’s a copycat), great locations, and a very good Bond performance. It honors the legacy of the franchise while being its own thing at the same time. Its successor simply relied on old things without feeling fresh. I loved SF when it first released and I still love it now.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I used to have a problem with Skyfall's plot weaknesses, but with the passage of time I've become more lenient in that respect (not unlike with other Bond films), in favor of just appreciating the concepts and ideas embedded in said plot-- cyberterrorism, the cold-hearted relationship between a spy and his country, not to mention the procedural, investigative feel intrinsic to the espionage genre. However, I still think Craig comes across as disinterested and not passionate and charismatic enough in the role of Bond, unlike in his other three films. Also, the film feels slow for much of its early half; there isn't enough intrigue or momentum to its story until Macau and Sévérine. Compare it with Thunderball, another slow paced entry, yet one in which the intrigue builds much more intensely, even in those early Shrublands scenes.

    Skyfall is probably my least favorite Bond film.

    Now see, I don't have this issue with him in SF, he himself is great, but it's exactly how I feel about his take in SP. He just seems so terribly disinterested and unhappy to be there.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,523
    SP is obviously the odd one out in Craig’s performances. SF, while a little lighter than his first two, still has Craig’s signature style and seriousness for the most part. He imitated Moore too much in SP and it doesn’t suit him.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    Posts: 7,057
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I used to have a problem with Skyfall's plot weaknesses, but with the passage of time I've become more lenient in that respect (not unlike with other Bond films), in favor of just appreciating the concepts and ideas embedded in said plot-- cyberterrorism, the cold-hearted relationship between a spy and his country, not to mention the procedural, investigative feel intrinsic to the espionage genre. However, I still think Craig comes across as disinterested and not passionate and charismatic enough in the role of Bond, unlike in his other three films. Also, the film feels slow for much of its early half; there isn't enough intrigue or momentum to its story until Macau and Sévérine. Compare it with Thunderball, another slow paced entry, yet one in which the intrigue builds much more intensely, even in those early Shrublands scenes.

    Skyfall is probably my least favorite Bond film.

    Now see, I don't have this issue with him in SF, he himself is great, but it's exactly how I feel about his take in SP. He just seems so terribly disinterested and unhappy to be there.
    Right. Personally, I think he is great in Spectre. But that's opinions for you!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    I quite like his performance in skyfall but man does he do a performance to rival that of YOLT in SP
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,927
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Mulling it over, contrarily, most hardcore fans would replace those with FRWL, OHMSS, TLD and CR as a definitive representation (my iconic picks would take from both lists).

    That would certainly be me anyway.
    I find TSWLM, GE and SF over praised and not top ten material.
    The exception is GF. Deserves it's reputation as one of the best!

    I'll second this, although I can put GF in there as well.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited March 2018 Posts: 4,589
    From the moment that Bond is seen in the beach hut to the moment when Silva is captured, SF is perfect. There is nothing superfluous or out of place. Everything works. The most poignant moment occurs after Patrice falls to his death and Bond looks across the way, at Severine, staring back, hair waving, with Newman's "Modigliani" theme in the background. She turns, with authority (or anger), and Bond goes to Patrice's case and finds the chip, his face lit in blue. My GAWD is this good $#!t.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    I feel that Craig never bettered his role as 007 after CR. After that movie it went gradually downhill.
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