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Die Another Day vs Spectre.

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  • jobojobo
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I am curious to know where the "entertainment" is in DAD. It escapes me, that's for sure

    Besides some stuff like the swordfight, it also escapes me. People call SP more “boring” than DAD. The silly action sequences and nonsense in DAD is boring to me.


    I don't get it either. Everything is better in Spectre. The action, the cinematography, the locations, the jokes, the actors...
  • barryt007barryt007
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Don't forget peeps that DAD was a 40th anniversary film ,so they maybe tried too hard to make it spectacular.
    But the nod to the old Bond films,eg TB with the grape eating at the clinic etc was a commendable effort.

    SP had no such excuse.


    Sorry, but that's ridiculous. So they were not "trying hard enough" with SP? Even if it mattered, it hardly holds up. SP har the highest budget of any Bond film. They went all in and more.

    Read it again..DAD tried too hard...NOT SP.

    I perfectly understood your post. It just doesn't hold up. Even if trying too hard would be a relevant excuse for anything, it doesn't make sense. They tried just as hard with Spectre.

    No you don't understand it.
    I mean DAD went TOO far due to the 40th anniversary !

    It doesn't give them an excuse but SP had no 'noose round their neck' to make the film special due to an anniversary.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Another 15th anniversary article. Hardly complimentary.

    https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/die-another-day-15-years-later-607025
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    A few things I prefer from DAD:

    Bond performance: DAD
    Main villain: DAD
    Main henchman: DAD
    Dialogue: DAD
    Aston vs Jag car chase: DAD
    Soundtrack: DAD
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Both Bond performances are average-ish. Gustav is my least favorite Bond villain, and I think Waltz's Blofeld is a bit overhated, so SP takes that one. I'll take Hinx for the henchman, but he is still not one of the all-time best. Dialogue is meh in both movies. Also, don't really care a lot for the car chases in both movies. I can hardly remember DAD's soundtrack actually; SP's gets too much hate. While I also sometimes get annoyed with the reused SF tracks, some of the stuff in it isn't so bad.
  • jobojobo
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    QBranch wrote: »
    A few things I prefer from DAD:

    Main henchman: DAD
    Dialogue: DAD


    You've got to be kidding
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    DAD's soundtrack is memorable. Besides Madge's theme and end credits remix, I can remember the music when Bond arrives in Cuba and driving the 'fast' car; London Calling during the plane trip; and the Bondian music at the start of the car chase. As for the SP soundtrack? I can only remember TWOTW theme. Says it all, really.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Obviously it's subjective, because I have a hard time remembering a lot of music from DAD. A lot of that is surely because I watch it the least of the Bond movies, right next to MR.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    jobo wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    A few things I prefer from DAD:

    Main henchman: DAD
    Dialogue: DAD
    You've got to be kidding
    Hinx was great, but didn't get to do much. His fight with Bond was, however, one of the best in the series. Perhaps if Hinx returns (and I think he will), he may surpass Zao.

    As corny as the dialogue was in DAD, it was entertaining, memorable, very quotable.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Hinx was very good but would have been great had they made him a bit more dimensional and allowed him to show his intellect as well as his brawn.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I hope Hinx returns. We need to see him try the eye-gouge on Bond!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    DAD is at the bottom of the pile. SPECTRE is a top ten.

    Nailed it
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Hinx was very good but would have been great had they made him a bit more dimensional and allowed him to show his intellect as well as his brawn.

    I feel this may be holding Spectre to higher standards than other Bond films have been held to. Jaws is considered an iconic Bond villain but has his “intellect been shown as well as his brawn”?
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    DAD is utterly ludicrous, and it has huge problems. But it is anchored extremely well by Brosnan. The villains motivation is interesting and its an amusing rewatch.

    SP is a far better made film, but the terrible Oberfeld stuff, and the reach for extra pretension make it a real slog for me to watch.

    I have to say, although neither are great films, I would sooner turn my brain off and rewatch DAD.
  • DennisonDennison
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    Spectre wins - easily.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Hinx was very good but would have been great had they made him a bit more dimensional and allowed him to show his intellect as well as his brawn.

    I feel this may be holding Spectre to higher standards than other Bond films have been held to. Jaws is considered an iconic Bond villain but has his “intellect been shown as well as his brawn”?

    I was thinking more along the lines of Red Grant.

  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    Spectre thrashes. It's one of the weaker films, but even so it's obviously a cut above DAD.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    QBranch wrote: »
    A few things I prefer from DAD:

    Dialogue: DAD

    Jesus.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    "Bond night surfs into North Korea, sets off an exploding briefcase in the face of a general and his scheming son, and escapes on a hovercraft, capping the whole thing off with the customary corny quip."

    Look, I know it isn't a high point of the series, but at least try and pay attention.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Spectre is bottom of my list. I suppose it betters DAD in a few categories, but overall I prefer DAD.

    I must admit though I am fond of DAD for nostalgic reasons. After all, it was my first Bond in theaters.
  • vzokvzok
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    A few things I prefer from DAD:

    Dialogue: DAD

    Jesus.

    Now that's a mouthful.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I hope Hinx returns. We need to see him try the eye-gouge on Bond!

    And succeed.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    I hope Hinx returns. We need to see him try the eye-gouge on Bond!

    And succeed.

    Blasphemy !!

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    I hope Hinx returns. We need to see him try the eye-gouge on Bond!

    And succeed.

    Blasphemy !!

    Just one eye, not both.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    I hope Hinx returns. We need to see him try the eye-gouge on Bond!

    And succeed.

    Blasphemy !!

    Just one eye, not both.

    Ooooh aaaarrr me hearties...I be Long John Bond....

  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Upon a recent rewatch, I'm not convinced the "fun" argument works for DAD. It's far too smug to be enjoyably awful. Like, I can easily picture Tamahori, Pervert and Weird making Gustav Grave's conceited little grin as they high-five each other over how "clever" they were.
  • DennisonDennison
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    Minion wrote: »
    Upon a recent rewatch, I'm not convinced the "fun" argument works for DAD. It's far too smug to be enjoyably awful. Like, I can easily picture Tamahori, Pervert and Weird making Gustav Grave's conceited little grin as they high-five each other over how "clever" they were.

    Wow.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    Posts: 7,056
    Minion wrote: »
    Upon a recent rewatch, I'm not convinced the "fun" argument works for DAD. It's far too smug to be enjoyably awful. Like, I can easily picture Tamahori, Pervert and Weird making Gustav Grave's conceited little grin as they high-five each other over how "clever" they were.

    Pervert and Weird :))
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    vzok wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    A few things I prefer from DAD:

    Dialogue: DAD
    Jesus.
    Now that's a mouthful.
    I think perhaps DAD's dialogue only becomes corny when the scene involves Jinx or Gustav, except for Bond's first meeting with Gustav at Blades. Pretty much everything else is fairly grounded, from Colonel Moon's speech to Bond on Western hypocrisy, the abandoned station for agents with M, Cuban scenes etc.

    Corny is one thing, but Jinx' "there's a mouthful" line really was in poor taste for a Bond film.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    It was in poor taste for a 70's porn flick.
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