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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    There's an old saying a friend of mine recited to me not too long ago:

    "The more complex the mind, the greater the need for the simplicity of play."

    Some posts in this thread speak for themselves.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    DAD beats SP each and every time easily.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred
    Posts: 1,397
    That explains my ADHD and mouth breathing, sorry I enjoyed DAD.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    I'm pretty sure that noone of us is retarded. We are bondfans: the seal of quality for intelligence.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,418
    doubleoego wrote: »
    DAD beats SP each and every time easily.

    No it doesn't.
    Just for balance!!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    It does. Very well at that!
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    It does. Very well at that!

    Seconded.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,789
    It's unfortunate folks can't like both.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    It's unfortunate folks can't like both.

    @BondJasonBond006 is a fan of both.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,789
    Me, too. Why not.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,571
    Love 'em both too, but DAD is certainly more entertaining.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,185
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    It's unfortunate folks can't like both.
    I like em both as well. I even like Brosnan and Craig about equally overall. And I am perfectly aware that both Eras are very different by design.

  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    DrClatterhand wrote: »
    I don't understand how any adult could like Die Another Day. I genuinely don't. It's mouth-breather fodder. It's like xXx, but worse.

    One day you'll grow up and find that an adult does not automatically makes you right about anything. ;)
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I like both films too.
  • CraterGunsCraterGuns
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    DAD, on the other hand, may have went overboard with the sci-fi, ridiculous CGI and the cheesy dialogues, but it was a damn great fun romper that still knew it was selling a James Bond film.
    ... an incredibly SILLY James Bond film, that is.

    When Bond gets silly -- it isn't fun anymore. It's just cringe-inducing.

    I loathe seeing Bond flicks turned into little more than big-budgeted, modern-day versions of Dean Martin's Matt Helm movies. (Et tu, Roger Moore.)

    The character -- and franchise -- deserve better than that.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,418
    CraterGuns wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    DAD, on the other hand, may have went overboard with the sci-fi, ridiculous CGI and the cheesy dialogues, but it was a damn great fun romper that still knew it was selling a James Bond film.
    ... an incredibly SILLY James Bond film, that is.

    When Bond gets silly -- it isn't fun anymore. It's just cringe-inducing.

    I loathe seeing Bond flicks turned into little more than big-budgeted, modern-day versions of Dean Martin's Matt Helm movies. (Et tu, Roger Moore.)

    The character -- and franchise -- deserve better than that.

    If you ask me it was more Derek Flint, with that heart rate stopping scene.
    Fleming must have been spinning in his grave at that point!
    Fun Bond movie?...I think not!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    CraterGuns wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    DAD, on the other hand, may have went overboard with the sci-fi, ridiculous CGI and the cheesy dialogues, but it was a damn great fun romper that still knew it was selling a James Bond film.
    ... an incredibly SILLY James Bond film, that is.

    When Bond gets silly -- it isn't fun anymore. It's just cringe-inducing.

    I loathe seeing Bond flicks turned into little more than big-budgeted, modern-day versions of Dean Martin's Matt Helm movies. (Et tu, Roger Moore.)

    The character -- and franchise -- deserve better than that.
    For you, it's cringe-inducing. When a Bond movie right from the start puts itself in a total escapist mode, that itself activates the fun measurements. Being silly doesn't necessarily live up to the equation of achieving cringe. Neither does it equal to monkey business. Just because you don't enjoy those doesn't mean they are bad films.
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    CraterGuns wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    DAD, on the other hand, may have went overboard with the sci-fi, ridiculous CGI and the cheesy dialogues, but it was a damn great fun romper that still knew it was selling a James Bond film.
    ... an incredibly SILLY James Bond film, that is.

    When Bond gets silly -- it isn't fun anymore. It's just cringe-inducing.

    I loathe seeing Bond flicks turned into little more than big-budgeted, modern-day versions of Dean Martin's Matt Helm movies. (Et tu, Roger Moore.)

    The character -- and franchise -- deserve better than that.

    If you ask me it was more Derek Flint, with that heart rate stopping scene.
    Fleming must have been spinning in his grave at that point!
    Fun Bond movie?...I think not!
    Well, if your definition of fun is the brooding, depressed and overtly anxious melodrama drawn in the last two films specifically, then I don't know what to say...

    Perhaps that "fun" Bond will go down the Logan route, have Bond go through depression one more time, involve more personal feelings and emotional breakdowns into the matter, doubt his loyalties and stand on the verge of double crossing MI6 after many times of going rogue, and finish himself off. That'd be perfectly satisfying sendoff for such fun-inducing movie, no?
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    Posts: 7,021
    I don't know why kitsch, silliness, cheesiness and campiness are rejected so much.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2019 Posts: 15,423
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I don't know why kitsch, silliness, cheesiness and campiness are rejected so much.
    Because some people think pessimism and tragedy drawn for dramatic effect make them intellectual, so they think they can look down on others.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,418
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    CraterGuns wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    DAD, on the other hand, may have went overboard with the sci-fi, ridiculous CGI and the cheesy dialogues, but it was a damn great fun romper that still knew it was selling a James Bond film.
    ... an incredibly SILLY James Bond film, that is.

    When Bond gets silly -- it isn't fun anymore. It's just cringe-inducing.

    I loathe seeing Bond flicks turned into little more than big-budgeted, modern-day versions of Dean Martin's Matt Helm movies. (Et tu, Roger Moore.)

    The character -- and franchise -- deserve better than that.
    For you, it's cringe-inducing. When a Bond movie right from the start puts itself in a total escapist mode, that itself activates the fun measurements. Being silly doesn't necessarily live up to the equation of achieving cringe. Neither does it equal to monkey business. Just because you don't enjoy those doesn't mean they are bad films.
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    CraterGuns wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    DAD, on the other hand, may have went overboard with the sci-fi, ridiculous CGI and the cheesy dialogues, but it was a damn great fun romper that still knew it was selling a James Bond film.
    ... an incredibly SILLY James Bond film, that is.

    When Bond gets silly -- it isn't fun anymore. It's just cringe-inducing.

    I loathe seeing Bond flicks turned into little more than big-budgeted, modern-day versions of Dean Martin's Matt Helm movies. (Et tu, Roger Moore.)

    The character -- and franchise -- deserve better than that.

    If you ask me it was more Derek Flint, with that heart rate stopping scene.
    Fleming must have been spinning in his grave at that point!
    Fun Bond movie?...I think not!
    Well, if your definition of fun is the brooding, depressed and overtly anxious melodrama drawn in the last two films specifically, then I don't know what to say...

    Perhaps that "fun" Bond will go down the Logan route, have Bond go through depression one more time, involve more personal feelings and emotional breakdowns into the matter, doubt his loyalties and stand on the verge of double crossing MI6 after many times of going rogue, and finish himself off. That'd be perfectly satisfying sendoff for such fun-inducing movie, no?

    Well if your idea of a fun Bond movie is invisible cars, Bond in silly beard and wig, corny one liners, lousy cgi and Bond turning i to a computer character, then you're welcome to it.
    Am no fan of SF, found it too dour and u exciting, but SP felt more of a Bond movie up to the final section. I tend to favour the more serious 007 film, hence my appreciation of Dalton and Craig. Moore was the fun Bond movies for me, and only he could achieve this.
    The Brossa era i found a damp squib, with a lousy lead actor. But each to his own.
    Am looking forward to Bond 25, unlike some
    And love Craig in the role.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited February 2019 Posts: 19,339
    Brosnan’s performance kept DAD in check to me ,all the fun chaos around him and he WAS Bond ,and it’s a rollercoaster ride x every now and then Bond films have to let off steam ala MR ,YOLT .

    SP tried to be the ultimate Bond film and failed dramatically, DAD wanted a celebration of 40 years and got it.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    DAD is a spoof, while SP at least tries. Enough said, personally.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    JeremyBondon wrote: »
    DAD is a spoof, while SP at least tries. Enough said, personally.
    That’s the truth
  • vzokvzok
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    How did these 2 movies end up being pitted against each other?
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    vzok wrote: »
    How did these 2 movies end up being pitted against each other?

    Absolutely correct. Die Another Day is pathetic. When I saw Craig in Casino Royale it made me reassess my view of Brosnan. Brosnan isn't really an actor of any note. He's got about as much depth as a children's paddling pool. Craig gave Bond depth, dimension, and relevance. SPECTRE isn't that bad. Just a misfire.
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    Birdleson wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    How did these 2 movies end up being pitted against each other?

    Because many of us have either one or the other or both at the bottom of their list. Also, they are the fourth installment of the past two actors, and where eamny people feel that the franchise went astray..

    Thanks. I was just wondering why some of the other “lesser” entries were not in the mix.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Brosnan’s performance kept DAD in check to me ,all the fun chaos around him and he WAS Bond ,and it’s a rollercoaster ride x every now and then Bond films have to let off steam ala MR ,YOLT .

    SP tried to be the ultimate Bond film and failed dramatically, DAD wanted a celebration of 40 years and got it.

    My thoughts exactly.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    I wouldn't call DAD a celebration, or at least I wouldn't call it a successful celebration. It's easy to include some easter eggs; that doesn't make it a celebration of any sort though. The fact that the plot revolves around a killer satellite for the third time actually mocks the celebration thing in my opinion.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited February 2019 Posts: 2,252
    Birdleson wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    How did these 2 movies end up being pitted against each other?

    Because many of us have either one or the other or both at the bottom of their list. Also, they are the fourth installment of the past two actors, and where many people feel that the franchise went astray.

    As Bond says, "It's all a matter of perspective". Spectre is certainly more talked about because it's the most recent film but it's hardly bottom tier that many would believe. Polarising is a more appropriate word.

    DAD (Median rank 23 Mode 24) (MI6 members)
    01. 0.0%
    02. 0.0%
    03. 0.6%
    04. 0.6%
    05. 0.0%
    06. 0.0%
    07. 0.6%
    08. 0.0%
    09. 0.0%
    10. 1.9%
    11. 1.3%
    12. 1.3%
    13. 0.6%
    14. 0.6%
    15. 0.6%
    16. 1.3%
    17. 3.2%
    18. 1.9%
    19. 5.8%
    20. 5.8%
    21. 7.0%
    22. 8.5%
    23. 15.5%
    24. 42.9% (1st place for lowest ranking)

    SPECTRE (Median rank 15 Mode 16) (MI6 members)
    01. 0.6%
    02. 0.6%
    03. 1.9%
    04. 5.1%
    05. 3.9%
    06. 3.9%
    07. 3.9%
    08. 4.5%
    09. 5.8%
    10. 3.2%
    11. 4.5%
    12. 5.2%
    13. 4.5%
    14. 1.9%
    15. 3.9%
    16. 7.1%
    17. 5.8%
    18. 5.8%
    19. 4.5%
    20. 2.6%
    21. 4.5%
    22. 4.6%
    23. 6.5%
    24. 5.2% (6th place for lowest ranking)

    Top 20 (MI6 forum | Non-Bond websites)
    - 26.4% | 31.8% DAD (24th)
    - 79.3% | 89.4% SPECTRE

    23rd - (56.8% AVTAK | 56.5% AVTAK)
    Best - (98.7% FRWL, GF, OHMSS, TLD, CR | 99.5% GF 98.0% FRWL, GE, CR 97.9% SF)

    Top 10 (MI6 forum | Non-Bond websites)
    - 3.9% | 5.6% DAD
    - 33.5% | 35.4% SPECTRE

    1st - 90.3% OHMSS | CR 91.4%
    2nd - 87.7% CR | 88.9% GF
    3rd - 83.9% FRWL | 82.4% FRWL

    Bottom 2 (MI6 forum | Non-Bond websites)
    - 58.3% | 35.0% DAD (24th)
    - 11.6% | 5.6% SPECTRE

    23rd - 21.3% TWINE | 22.8% AVTAK
    1st - 0.0% FRWL, OHMSS, TLD | 0.0% DN, GF, CR, SF
    2nd - 0.6% GF, TSWLM, CR | 1.0% FRWL, TSWLM, TLD, GE

    Sample size is 155 MI6, 198 Other

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Very interesting statistics. Thanks, @w2bond .
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