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  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    edited November 2021 Posts: 1,394
    chrisisall wrote: »
    The Rock is a better final Bond film than No Time To Die.

    Nope.Everything Or Nothing is a better final Bond “ film “ than NTTD.

    Though yes I’d agree The Rock is miles better and more entertaining than NTTD.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,603
    John Wayne had a great screen presence, not much range in emotions.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,157
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Lawrence of Arabia may have great cinematography, but it s a pointless and boring film.

    What is entertaining is a subjective matter of course, but pointless? How? Why?

    I don t understand the purpose of it. The story is uninteresting, the dialogue is dumb, the performances exaggerated. I know many others love it, so I suppose it serves a purpose for them. It isn t among the worst films I have seen, I just don t ever want to watch it again.

    I find the story quite interesting, the dialogue inspiring and the performances absolutely brilliant, especially Sir Alec's.
    chrisisall wrote: »
    The Rock is a better final Bond film than No Time To Die.

    A Michael Bay film over NTTD? :-D This has to be the first time you and I disagree about anything, @chrisisall. ;-)
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    John Wayne had a great screen presence, not much range in emotions.

    I don't disagree, @MaxCasino. Wayne was a big star but not the greatest thespian, IMO.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,263
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    John Wayne had a great screen presence, not much range in emotions.

    He probably thought emotions were for wimps. He was of that generation.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    Posts: 541
    Terminator 1 > Terminator 2

    T1 was a horror movie and a sci-fi in the truest sense. T2 was a commercial big-budget action movie with less suspense and more explosions.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,462
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Terminator 1 > Terminator 2

    T1 was a horror movie and a sci-fi in the truest sense. T2 was a commercial big-budget action movie with less suspense and more explosions.

    I like them both quite a lot, but I also prefer 1. They’re totally different.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    I admire John Ford but I absolutely hate the humour and caricatured comical characters in many of his films...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,157
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Terminator 1 > Terminator 2

    T1 was a horror movie and a sci-fi in the truest sense. T2 was a commercial big-budget action movie with less suspense and more explosions.

    I'll meet you in the middle: TT = T2.

    Both are different films that play in different genres, but both excel in those. One is a chilling horror film, a sci-fi update of the stalker/slasher genre, a tense survival mission. The other is a relentless actioner full of memorable set pieces, exciting sequences and lots of inventive, innovative, state-of-the-art technical achievements. I disagree that T2 has less suspense than TT; the suspense is simply manufactured in different ways.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    Posts: 7,020
    I like Lawrence of Arabia, especially because Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif are in it. That said, I always associate it in my mind with Bridge on the River Kwai, and not that anyone here is asking to compare them, but I think in terms of the story I prefer Kwai. I find Nicholson's interest in building the bridge as a monument to British superiority very interesting. Same with the weight of Japanese traditions of honor that is embodied in the character of Saito.

    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I find the story quite interesting, the dialogue inspiring and the performances absolutely brilliant, especially Sir Alec's.
    I like the part were Faisal says that Lawrence is better at lying than the other Brits.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,157
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I like Lawrence of Arabia, especially because Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif are in it. That said, I always associate it in my mind with Bridge on the River Kwai, and not that anyone here is asking to compare them, but I think in terms of the story I prefer Kwai. I find Nicholson's interest in building the bridge as a monument to British superiority very interesting. Same with the weight of Japanese traditions of honor that is embodied in the character of Saito.

    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I find the story quite interesting, the dialogue inspiring and the performances absolutely brilliant, especially Sir Alec's.
    I like the part were Faisal says that Lawrence is better at lying than the other Brits.

    That is a very good moment, indeed.
  • cooperman2cooperman2 Uk
    Posts: 377
    John Wayne was not a great actor but he was a great movie star.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,603
    The Harry Potter series repeats itself more often than its crazy fans care too admit. Sure, it’s a set formula like the books, but they tend to make sure the boxes were checked. Harry Potter has one of worst fandoms in all of fandoms. The littlest criticism of HP they can’t accept. Those are the two reasons HP is one of the few movies I regret watching: I followed a bad fandom that is overhyped.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Didn't realize HP fans were that bad.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,603
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Didn't realize HP fans were that bad.

    To me, they have. I say I don’t remember the smallest thing, and they get up into my face, and tell the book and page number. This has happened more than once.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,108
    I’m glad I never had such an experience.

    Personally I quite like both the HP books and the HP films. My generation grew up with those and I’m rather fond of them.

    Wouldn’t consider myself a fan in the sense that I’m a Bond fan, but I’d say HP is one of the few film series outside Bond that I revisit regularly.

    (Only the HP films though, not the FB ones).
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    edited November 2021 Posts: 541
    Opinion.

    The imdb top 250 is a heavily biased metric. Most of the voters are males, age 20-40. Hence, superhero and male fantasy movies are over-represented. Movies with female leads are underrepresented.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Opinion.

    The imdb top 250 is a heavily biased metric. Most of the voters are males, age 20-40. Hence, superhero and male fantasy movies are over-represented.

    What’s your source for those stats?

    I know you said it’s an opinion, but you’re talking about quantitative parameters.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    Posts: 541
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Opinion.

    The imdb top 250 is a heavily biased metric. Most of the voters are males, age 20-40. Hence, superhero and male fantasy movies are over-represented.

    What’s your source for those stats?

    I know you said it’s an opinion, but you’re talking about quantitative parameters.

    IMDB's websites show statistics, for each individual film, on the demographics that rate the films. Example: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068646/ratings?ref_=tturv_ql_4

    In many of them, men outweight women 5 to 1. And on a lot of the choices in the top 250, men rate them ~0.3 points higher, which is a meaningful difference considering thousands of films are on a decimal point system.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    Ah, that’s really interesting.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Opinion.

    The imdb top 250 is a heavily biased metric. Most of the voters are males, age 20-40. Hence, superhero and male fantasy movies are over-represented. Movies with female leads are underrepresented.

    Isn't that the one where Shawshank Redemption is top? ;))
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    "Aqaba!"
    "Aqaba!"
    "Aqaba!"
    "It's only a model."

    "On second thought, let's not go to Aqaba. 'Tis a silly place."
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I like Lawrence of Arabia, especially because Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif are in it. That said, I always associate it in my mind with Bridge on the River Kwai, and not that anyone here is asking to compare them, but I think in terms of the story I prefer Kwai. I find Nicholson's interest in building the bridge as a monument to British superiority very interesting. Same with the weight of Japanese traditions of honor that is embodied in the character of Saito.

    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I find the story quite interesting, the dialogue inspiring and the performances absolutely brilliant, especially Sir Alec's.
    I like the part were Faisal says that Lawrence is better at lying than the other Brits.

    That is a very good moment, indeed.

    I like the part where literally anything happens at any moment because Lawrence of Arabia is THE movie.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,108
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    "Aqaba!"
    "Aqaba!"
    "Aqaba!"
    "It's only a model."

    "On second thought, let's not go to Aqaba. 'Tis a silly place."
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I like Lawrence of Arabia, especially because Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif are in it. That said, I always associate it in my mind with Bridge on the River Kwai, and not that anyone here is asking to compare them, but I think in terms of the story I prefer Kwai. I find Nicholson's interest in building the bridge as a monument to British superiority very interesting. Same with the weight of Japanese traditions of honor that is embodied in the character of Saito.

    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I find the story quite interesting, the dialogue inspiring and the performances absolutely brilliant, especially Sir Alec's.
    I like the part were Faisal says that Lawrence is better at lying than the other Brits.

    That is a very good moment, indeed.

    I like the part where literally anything happens at any moment because Lawrence of Arabia is THE movie.

    I like both Lawrence and Kwai, but I’ve always been more a Zhivago fan myself :)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Lawrence of Arabia may have great cinematography, but it s a pointless and boring film.

    What is entertaining is a subjective matter of course, but pointless? How? Why?

    I don t understand the purpose of it. The story is uninteresting, the dialogue is dumb, the performances exaggerated. I know many others love it, so I suppose it serves a purpose for them. It isn t among the worst films I have seen, I just don t ever want to watch it again.

    How dare you. Where's that ignore button?!

    Okay, seriously now, have you seen The Bridge on the River Kwai? If so, did you like it any better?

    I have seen it, but several decades ago. I did like it well enough at the time.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,105
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Terminator 1 > Terminator 2

    T1 was a horror movie and a sci-fi in the truest sense. T2 was a commercial big-budget action movie with less suspense and more explosions.

    I tend to agree. The first one was a neat little horror and scifi thriller. Is even say that it did not warrant a sequel.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Terminator Genisys>Terminator
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    "Aqaba!"
    "Aqaba!"
    "Aqaba!"
    "It's only a model."

    "On second thought, let's not go to Aqaba. 'Tis a silly place."
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I like Lawrence of Arabia, especially because Peter O'Toole and Omar Sharif are in it. That said, I always associate it in my mind with Bridge on the River Kwai, and not that anyone here is asking to compare them, but I think in terms of the story I prefer Kwai. I find Nicholson's interest in building the bridge as a monument to British superiority very interesting. Same with the weight of Japanese traditions of honor that is embodied in the character of Saito.

    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I find the story quite interesting, the dialogue inspiring and the performances absolutely brilliant, especially Sir Alec's.
    I like the part were Faisal says that Lawrence is better at lying than the other Brits.

    That is a very good moment, indeed.

    I like the part where literally anything happens at any moment because Lawrence of Arabia is THE movie.

    I like both Lawrence and Kwai, but I’ve always been more a Zhivago fan myself :)


    Me too! I love David Lean in general, but I thought I was the only one who rates Dr Zhivago as his best film. Nice to know there are more of us ;)
  • AstonLotusAstonLotus
    Posts: 1,394
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Opinion.

    The imdb top 250 is a heavily biased metric. Most of the voters are males, age 20-40. Hence, superhero and male fantasy movies are over-represented. Movies with female leads are underrepresented.

    Well as James Bond said in LTK “ It’s a mans world “.

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,996
    The greatest superhero movie ever made wasn't even based on a comic.

    Robocop
  • cooperman2cooperman2 Uk
    Posts: 377
    RoboCop is also the film that Judge Dredd should have been. And I mean both Dredd movies. Neither Dredd movie captured the satirical tone of the early Dredd comics the way RoboCop did so brilliantly
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,996
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    RoboCop is also the film that Judge Dredd should have been. And I mean both Dredd movies. Neither Dredd movie captured the satirical tone of the early Dredd comics the way RoboCop did so brilliantly

    Very much agree @cooperman2

    It does Judge Dredd far better than the two Dredd movies (much as I like the latest one)

    The satirical tone is spot on with regards to the Judge Dredd comics.
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